-- snip of elitist gamer blather --

Okay Kitten, why don't you just go play Arma II? Everything will be realistic and super duper cool.

First of, I'm not an elitist gamer. Second I'm sorry you chose to get butt-hurt over what I believe is a truism in most FPS gaming. There's an ointment for that.

I'm all for suspension of disbelief in many games but, the weapon functionality in most FPS games is on a steep level of mental deficiency. I know it's done for "Balance" so players can be on a more equal footing when playing a mindless arena shooter like many of the generics out there. From what I keep reading as the supposed vision for Dust, a deep tactical FPS that will have repercussions across all of new Eden, one should think that a more common sense approach to weapon functionality would be the order of the day. But then common sense has become rare these days. You little tirade proves that.

With that kind of DPS, it shouldn't have range.

(actualy its gained more range in this build then any other).

It takes time to spin up, which can be heard by anyone with half a brain and signals them to get to cover.

Until it spins up, it has no range whatsoever. Thats why a good AR user will always beat it from range.

So your argument has no ground.

A laser on the other hand has more DPS and not an easily identifiable sound from range unless the user is stupid and is heating it right next to the targets head.




Why the hell isn't this done?

Oh wait, it is... in every other FPS except this one, for some ******** reason.

By no means am i one of the HMGhaters, but dont act like the HMG takes an eternity to spool up...players dont have a chance to "get to cover"

Relax. Ask ChicagoCubs for tips, he always manages to rip me apart from across the map with his Boundless HMG.

It takes time to spin up, which can be heard by anyone with half a brain and signals them to get to cover.

Until it spins up, it has no range whatsoever. Thats why a good AR user will always beat it from range.

So your argument has no ground.

A laser on the other hand has more DPS and not an easily identifiable sound from range unless the user is stupid and is heating it right next to the targets head.

It barely takes less than a second, I have used the first heavy machine gun with zero skills into heavy weapons.
A laser gives you away by the fact that there is a glowing beam of ******* light moving around with the source being the user.
Also, a laser can't do jack **** at close range and takes time to get to full DPS.

I'm pretty sure the op doesn't understand the concept of balance.

You know what else takes less than a second?

Half a clip.

I'm pretty sure they are supposed rip across the battlefield and terrify enemies from range, but be MORE difficult to adjust and turn in CQC making them weaker there.

How did this "lol its cqc" garbage idea start up? And why were the devs convinced to start twisting its stats towards that role? An HMG is not a shotgun, and a ****** heavy does not have the mobility to force that kind of close range engagement on an intelligent opponent.

Baddies.

With that kind of DPS, it shouldn't have range.

what DPS?

75% of the bloody rounds don't hit

That's hit detection for ya.
When connection is on your side I'm scared of it.
When connection is on my side I dance around laughing.

Balance? Oh, you mean that thing every incompetent developer strives to achieve by making every weapon worthless instead of every weapon good?

No, I'm fairly familiar with balance in the sense you are talking about.

Your sense of balance is bad, and you should feel bad.

okay there is a lot of misconceptions here so lets fix that. The HMG is a damge by volume weapon like a shot gun or SMG, but the HMG does a lot less per shot then either of those, also even inside of smg ranges and while the HMG is at its best accuracy it misses a lot of its rounds. All this means that

1) yes it is a short-shortmid range weapon, and yes it always has been one(actualy its gained more range in this build then any other). Ever had an HMG stuck in your chest? it might as well be a shot gun.

2)While HMGs do have the best DPS, fully applying that DPS requires being in SG one hit range, and these guns can only be carried by the slowest suits in the game, if you allow a heavy to apply better then AR dps to you, he is either a god like heavy or you fail horribly.

Now lets look at ARs they have almost the same DPS as a HMG, reload in a few seconds, can be carried by any suit, can apply their full DPS at any range short of LR and SR, have 3-4kills(1-2heavies) a clip even on the STD ARs. As some one that hates HMG heavies trust me they are UP as ****, their only advantage is that they live long enough and spray easily enough that they have a small chance of back up saving their asses. One on one I can take most heavies with a std scout, where they shine is when they have company, but then so do SGs.

As a side note the number of proto heavies Ive see get droped head on by proto gear is ******** nothing should beat a heavy head on in its optimal

so no need for a nerf, just better programming


/me glares at CCP socksfour

I don't care about the range of the HMG however I think the bullet spread should be looked at
I've had it happen many times where a HMG it hitting me from 100M at least and it eating away at my hp in a matter of seconds the range is fine to me but it should be hitting alot less the father away the target is and I don't think it spreads out enough

I'm pretty sure the op doesn't understand the concept of balance.

All weapons could theoretically have ranges of current snipers, with accuracy as the limitation as well as damage optimals. It might be easier to balance too, as max range would be out of equation.

Honestly what I would like for my HMG is when I hit right mouse button it should spin up to max speed without expending rounds. This is the first game I have played with a HMG that didn't do that.

You want to balance the HMG? Increase it's spread, increase it's heat build up, re adjust it's optimal range and damage drop-off, but making it a CQC only weapon is stupid as ****.

Increasing spread will make it more CQC than ever.

I agree its not just a cqc weapon but the HMG breaks the game if it has the range of a laser.

game balance is more importance than realism with HMG.

I'm talking about longer distances, like a cone, that way it will at least be able to provide cover fire at a distance instead of the bullets just disappearing.

And heat is practically non existent, you can use 80% percent of your ammo before the meter fills.

I take a guess you're one of the twits who expected to spray everything with dozens of rounds a second all day, it's your sense of balance that is flawed. Don't you think if it was meant to be long range it would have a sight or a longer zoom in?