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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:16:00 -
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Luminaire GÇô Following the mass shooting of Minmatar at a cultural festival which has left 58 dead and 304 wounded, including Sebiestor Tribe leader Karin Midular in critical condition, the Gallente Federation has denied a request by the Minmatar Republic to extradite the shooter for trial. The Supreme Court made the expedited decision based on the unprecedented nature of the shooting.
In unanimously dismissing the request, the Supreme Court said, GÇ£This was a crime committed by a Federation citizen on Federation soil with a majority of Federation victims. It is the duty of the court to remain unemotional and make decisions based solely on the writ of law; we cannot allow ourselves to be swayed by base emotion. As such, we cannot, in good conscience, turn the accused over to the Republic tribal courts for prosecution.GÇ¥
The Republic case for extradition relied primarily on the tribal membership of the victims, claiming that all crimes perpetrated against members of a Minmatar tribe fall under the jurisdiction of tribal law and thus should be prosecuted by tribal courts. The Supreme Court dismissed this argument, stating GÇ£The Federation does not recognize tribal law as being applicable within its territory. The laws of the Federation are the only laws of relevance in this matter.GÇ¥
The decision went on to read, GÇ£This court also calls into question the capability of the tribal courts to provide a fair and just trial to the accused. In an event that is so emotionally charged, it is the duty of a legal system to provide non-biased jurors and justices to adjudicate the fate of the accused. The accused must be tried by a court of his peers and handed summary judgment by a justice who can be reasonably assumed to be free of any bias. In the opinion of this court, the Minmatar tribal courts would be wholly unable to fulfil either of these prerequisites.GÇ¥
Sanmatar Maleatu Shakor has called the decision GÇ£disappointingGÇ¥ and said he will not cease to pressure the Federation to turn the shooter over to the Republic justice system. GÇ£This crime was perpetrated against the Minmatar people. Many of those slain and injured were Republic citizens, some visiting family and friends in the Federation. All were Minmatar and members of a tribe. One of our Rays lies at death's door thanks to the actions of this deranged madman. The Federation cannot handle prosecution properly. It is virtually unthinkable that they will deliver satisfaction to the Minmatar people.GÇ¥
In response to this latest news, the infamous terrorist organization the Bloody Hand of Matar released a statement saying, GÇ£Justice must be served no matter what. We will not rest until the crimes done to the Minmatar people are repaid tenfold. Whether this be against the perpetrator of the heinous acts or those who shield him from justice is up to the Federation government. We shall not rest.GÇ¥
Other groups have arisen in response to the lack of extradition, but have focused on the failures of the Tribal Assembly to achieve a resolution. GÇ£The Tribal Council was meant to steer the Minmatar people toward a greater future,GÇ¥ said a spokesperson for the Warriors of Tribal Justice, a paramilitary group that has rapidly grown over the past week. GÇ£Yet the government continues to be ignored and denigrated by our so-called allies. Where is their Minmatar pride? If they will not act to bring this man to justice, then we will. Our numbers are few, but each of us is legion. We shall rise as often as we fall until the blood spilled has been avenged.GÇ¥ |
Scramble Scrub
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:19:00 -
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Meh. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:21:00 -
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Borthers and sisters slain by what appears to be prejudice, and the answer we get is that our court system wouldn-¦t handle the case properly?
I understand the reasoning of the Judges of using Gallente Law in Gallente territory, but to take the next step and say our system wouldn-¦t be able to handle the case?
This is an outrage!!!!!!!
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:23:00 -
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Scramble Scrub wrote:Meh.
Let-¦s see your "Meh" when it is YOUR kin to be slain by foreigners. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
9
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:25:00 -
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For you. And maybe for eve players. But I believe a majority of Dust players Are MERCS. Hence like myself indifferent. But you wouldn't want us any other way right? Pay me to care. This is DUST514. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors O.M.N.I. Initiative
381
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Posted - 2013.04.26 15:33:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Scramble Scrub wrote:Meh. Let-¦s see your "Meh" when it is YOUR kin to be slain by foreigners.
The only "kin" of clones are other clones. To this day, many clones descended from the tribes have been targetted for elimination and neutralization. The Tribes did not consider this an offense. They see us like they see equipment sitting in a shed. Your loyalty should be to your pocketbook. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:01:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Scramble Scrub wrote:Meh. Let-¦s see your "Meh" when it is YOUR kin to be slain by foreigners. The only "kin" of clones are other clones. To this day, many clones descended from the tribes have been targetted for elimination and neutralization. The Tribes did not consider this an offense. They see us like they see equipment sitting in a shed. Your loyalty should be to your pocketbook.
You do realize that even though i-¦ve been graced with transhuman tech, i was born from a womb, had relatives, passions, friends and people i care about.
Being immortal gives me power, with power i can shape the universe the way i want it.
You think that a government trying to destroy my ephemeral flesh is going to weaken my spiritual bonds? Make me ignore my rituals?
I find funny that my fellow immortals pose as detached, pragmatic, "mercenary" types, and yet, are so easily touched by frugalities like vanity and ego.
Believe in what you want, your leashes and strings are being pulled like intended.
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steadyhand amarr
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
417
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:15:00 -
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Eck the rust buckets should not be driving a wedge between their only allia but u know if u want to make my raids easer knock yourself out :-) |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
88
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:25:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Eck the rust buckets should not be driving a wedge between their only allia but u know if u want to make my raids easer knock yourself out :-) Oh don't worry we'll get to you eventually, then our Naglfar Dreadnaughts will rain shells upon you! |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
61
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Posted - 2013.04.26 21:59:00 -
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To the fellow Minmatar...
As much as I'd like to see justice be served for those of yours who were hurt as soon as possible, I think this is one matter where geographical jurisdiction takes priority over importance of individuals hurt. Gallente law is the one applicable here as it was Gallente territory, as noted by the news article.
Though I understand that your culture puts enormous value on individuals of given traits, like those called "Ray of Matar", over in Gallente territory, such values of individual isn't of much importance, especially over the death of many others and even those who were injured. What about them? What about the Gallente who died or were injured there? I highly doubt that the Republic would heed an extradition request from the Fed if a Minmatar citizen had been the catalyst of an event such as this happen in Matari territory, with Matari tribesmen dead... and with a major Gallente figure found among the dead. |
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
234
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:02:00 -
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Kinda stupid to attack your ally because they won't let you handle something that happened on their turf. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:35:00 -
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The decision went on to read, GÇ£This court also calls into question the capability of the tribal courts to provide a fair and just trial to the accused. In an event that is so emotionally charged, it is the duty of a legal system to provide non-biased jurors and justices to adjudicate the fate of the accused. The accused must be tried by a court of his peers and handed summary judgment by a justice who can be reasonably assumed to be free of any bias. In the opinion of this court, the Minmatar tribal courts would be wholly unable to fulfil either of these prerequisites.GÇ¥
This is not about juristiction, this is an institutional humiliation.
This is saying "We Gallente don-¦t think you Minmatar can handle a proper trial. Only we, Gallente, can give a proper trial in this case."
If this was said by some layperson, i would be annoyed, but understand.
But this was said by the Gallente Supreme Court.
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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
216
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:42:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:The decision went on to read, GÇ£This court also calls into question the capability of the tribal courts to provide a fair and just trial to the accused. In an event that is so emotionally charged, it is the duty of a legal system to provide non-biased jurors and justices to adjudicate the fate of the accused. The accused must be tried by a court of his peers and handed summary judgment by a justice who can be reasonably assumed to be free of any bias. In the opinion of this court, the Minmatar tribal courts would be wholly unable to fulfil either of these prerequisites.GÇ¥
This is not about juristiction, this is an institutional humiliation.
This is saying "We Gallente don-¦t think you Minmatar can handle a proper trial. Only we, Gallente, can give a proper trial in this case."
If this was said by some layperson, i would be annoyed, but understand.
But this was said by the Gallente Supreme Court.
Because you wouldn't. The Minmatar court would be too blinded by their rage to give the man a fair trial. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:54:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:
Because you wouldn't. The Minmatar court would be too blinded by their rage to give the man a fair trial.
Many thanks to you, enlightened one, for showing me, an emotional, irrational, incapable Minmatar, the correct way of things.
At least the Ammarians say it out loud that they consider themselves better than everyone else. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
116
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Posted - 2013.04.27 00:21:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:The decision went on to read, GÇ£This court also calls into question the capability of the tribal courts to provide a fair and just trial to the accused. In an event that is so emotionally charged, it is the duty of a legal system to provide non-biased jurors and justices to adjudicate the fate of the accused. The accused must be tried by a court of his peers and handed summary judgment by a justice who can be reasonably assumed to be free of any bias. In the opinion of this court, the Minmatar tribal courts would be wholly unable to fulfil either of these prerequisites.GÇ¥
This is not about juristiction, this is an institutional humiliation.
This is saying "We Gallente don-¦t think you Minmatar can handle a proper trial. Only we, Gallente, can give a proper trial in this case."
If this was said by some layperson, i would be annoyed, but understand.
But this was said by the Gallente Supreme Court.
Because you wouldn't. The Minmatar court would be too blinded by their rage to give the man a fair trial.
No, our Tribal Courts are fair. If the evidence indicated that he was guilty he'd be punished and if it didn't, he'd be found innocent.
Good thing he's not Amarr, that's against the law where I grew up. |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
539
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Posted - 2013.04.27 01:29:00 -
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Just shoot the bastard and get it over with.
What are the Gallente really going to do? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3552
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Posted - 2013.04.27 01:46:00 -
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I have to agree with the Gallente on this, Gallente territory, mostly Gallente citizens, so it is Gallente jurisdiction. If the accused shooter is found to be guilty by the Gallente courts, then punishment will come. Justice requires impartiality, and the Republic cannot be impartial given the nature of the crime. I really don't see why it matters so much if its the Federation or the Republic that handles this as long as justice happens. |
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort
The Lions Guard
59
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Posted - 2013.04.27 02:04:00 -
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oh goody, are the rebellious slaves about to go to war with the gallente?
(has his slaves fetch him popcorn) |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
346
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Posted - 2013.04.27 02:22:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Borthers and sisters slain by what appears to be prejudice, and the answer we get is that our court system wouldn-¦t handle the case properly?
I understand the reasoning of the Judges of using Gallente Law in Gallente territory, but to take the next step and say our system wouldn-¦t be able to handle the case?
This is an outrage!!!!!!!
the minmitar justice system in this case will be to one sided, let the gallante handle this |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
346
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Posted - 2013.04.27 02:23:00 -
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Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote:oh goody, are the rebellious slaves about to go to war with the gallente?
(has his slaves fetch him popcorn) you sicken me ammar scum |
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aden slayer
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
488
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Posted - 2013.04.27 04:56:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:slypie11 wrote:
Because you wouldn't. The Minmatar court would be too blinded by their rage to give the man a fair trial.
Many thanks to you, enlightened one, for showing me, an emotional, irrational, incapable Minmatar, the correct way of things. At least the Ammarians say it out loud that they consider themselves better than everyone else.
So the gallente are wrong because they kept quite about being a racist and the Amarr are right because they came to your homeworld and enslaved your people for a long time and were honest about it?
Wow. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
56
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Posted - 2013.04.27 05:30:00 -
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As a Gallente, I couldn't care less about this court, if you ask me, since we are allied with the Minmatar I believe we should have mixed juries and trials in the regions that have Minmatar citizens but in Gallente space, either way this guy that committed the shooting should be killed regardless of who it was, every death deserves another death, hand the guy over to me, il make sure theres plasma leaking from his head for both the Gallente and the Minmatar. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2013.04.27 10:31:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:slypie11 wrote:
Because you wouldn't. The Minmatar court would be too blinded by their rage to give the man a fair trial.
Many thanks to you, enlightened one, for showing me, an emotional, irrational, incapable Minmatar, the correct way of things. At least the Ammarians say it out loud that they consider themselves better than everyone else. So the gallente are wrong because they kept quite about being a racist and the Amarr are right because they came to your homeworld and enslaved your people for a long time and were honest about it? Wow.
T he Amarr are a bunch of egocentric bigots who consider that their way of life is the best, and try to impose it around by force.
The Gallente are a bunch of egocentric bastards that pretend they are tolerant, consider their way of life the best, and use soft power to spoon feed it and change people to they way they want.
From my enemies i know what to expect, but it seems that from my "ally" i have to keep both eyes open and my back guarded. |
Orion Decline
Reckoners
28
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Posted - 2013.04.27 11:57:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:aden slayer wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:slypie11 wrote:
Because you wouldn't. The Minmatar court would be too blinded by their rage to give the man a fair trial.
Many thanks to you, enlightened one, for showing me, an emotional, irrational, incapable Minmatar, the correct way of things. At least the Ammarians say it out loud that they consider themselves better than everyone else. So the gallente are wrong because they kept quite about being a racist and the Amarr are right because they came to your homeworld and enslaved your people for a long time and were honest about it? Wow. T he Amarr are a bunch of egocentric bigots who consider that their way of life is the best, and try to impose it around by force. The Gallente are a bunch of egocentric bastards that pretend they are tolerant, consider their way of life the best, and use soft power to spoon feed it and change people to they way they want. From my enemies i know what to expect, but it seems that from my "ally" i have to keep both eyes open and my back guarded. Moral of the story: Come to the Caldari. All we care about is that you make a profit. And I'm willing to back your application for citizenship, all I ask is 1,000,000 ISK. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
236
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:02:00 -
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Lol silly Anti-Gallente talk, speak wisely on who you consider racist. The government or the people? |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:06:00 -
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Orion Decline wrote:Moral of the story: Come to the Caldari. All we care about is that you make a profit. And I'm willing to back your application for citizenship, all I ask is 1,000,000 ISK.
I know several Caldari and i-¦m paritcularly fond of the Achura, we have great talks about spirituality and we-¦ve exchanged a lot of knowledge on rituals and practices. I also respect the Group > Individual thinking, for we are all part of something bigger then us and i consider important to remember it.
But citizenship? I-¦m very proud of my people, no thanks.
And 1m ISK ? Go to Jita with your offer. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
61
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:42:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:As a Gallente, I couldn't care less about this court, if you ask me, since we are allied with the Minmatar I believe we should have mixed juries and trials in the regions that have Minmatar citizens but in Gallente space, either way this guy that committed the shooting should be killed regardless of who it was, every death deserves another death, hand the guy over to me, il make sure theres plasma leaking from his head for both the Gallente and the Minmatar.
He might be a clone soldier. How do you go about dealing with physical punishment of clone soldiers?
Natu Nobilis wrote:T he Amarr are a bunch of egocentric bigots who consider that their way of life is the best, and try to impose it around by force.
The Gallente are a bunch of egocentric bastards that pretend they are tolerant, consider their way of life the best, and use soft power to spoon feed it and change people to they way they want.
From my enemies i know what to expect, but it seems that from my "ally" i have to keep both eyes open and my back guarded.
You know...
You can't really make such a generalization because Gallente society is promotes having different opinions. There will be those who think that Gallente should be the supreme rulers of the world, as those who think that we should stick to ourselves and not let anyone get within a jump from our home star system. In that sense, there will be people that would welcome Minmatar Citizens and teat them as they were their brothers, as much as there are those that think that the Federation is wasting precious money helping your kind, and calling you even a "welfare state".
That this situation brought to light the sentiment of those that wish Minmatar were not as dependent on Gallente society to get themselves propped up makes you think that all Gallente give a damn about other's race's or empires way of life only helps confirm that your a very emotional person and would would not think rationally about this.
Think about what's going on...
A man killed people, and gave himself in to the authorities without causing much trouble afterwards. This likely means that the guy knew what he was getting into, and that he would likely not care if he is killed or physically hurt. This person might well be one of our own "brethren", as most tend to call each other. How do you punish someone that is already desensitized about being hurt? How do you kill someone that may well be re-born in another body and basically get away with his sentence carried out? Seriously, answer me that.
He might also NOT be a clone soldier, but be a racist Gallente extremist, and believe it or not, we do have those in our society as well, as I already explained. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
117
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:05:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Lol silly Anti-Gallente talk, speak wisely on who you consider racist. The government or the people?
The Gallente share all of the same flaws as any democratic state does, they're wishy-washy. There is a reason why my father (an Intaki) came to the Republic; he couldn't bear their indecisiveness. Do not become confused though, my mother (a Sebiestor) ensured that I received a traditional Tribal upbringing in accordance with how she was raised by my grandparents.
If you want to talk racist, talk to my mother, IDK how her and my father ever got together, though she's extremely intolerant of anyone else who isn't Matari or a supporter of Tribal liberation. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
61
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:23:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Lol silly Anti-Gallente talk, speak wisely on who you consider racist. The government or the people? The Gallente share all of the same flaws as any democratic state does, they're wishy-washy. There is a reason why my father (an Intaki) came to the Republic; he couldn't bear their indecisiveness. Do not become confused though, my mother (a Sebiestor) ensured that I received a traditional Tribal upbringing in accordance with how she was raised by my grandparents. If you want to talk racist, talk to my mother, IDK how her and my father ever got together, though she's extremely intolerant of anyone else who isn't Matari or a supporter of Tribal liberation.
doesnt matter really, which are you, a radicle racist like your mother or are you like your father? |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:30:00 -
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As far as politics go I usually don't care, this time though, I hope the situation escalates because that means more violence and more violence means more work and more work means more ISK |
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