DUST Search - So I did some calculations for my return of Aurum for the next build...

Altina McAlterson wrote:

JL3Eleven wrote:

Sorry your wrong. As stated earlier you will get the current replacement cost for any item removed BPO or not. Again, Sorry.

So you think they're going to pay you and let you keep the item? Hahahahaha no.

BattleCry1791 wrote:

Are you completely mentally deficient or just in the area of reading comprehension?

If an Item is removed from your inventory, you will be paid the current rate of what it used to cost.

So, if it would cost you 11k AUR to buy...say a Militia PG upgrade, and you have 5 copies of that, and that is something that CCP takes away from the game or makes changes to which means they have to take it out of inventory, then you will receive 55K Aurum in exchange for it.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

The amount of players that bought the BPOs at the previous price of 30-60 AUR is relatively small. We're all closed beta players. So we luck out, for once. Big whoop. Most of us will just spend it on boosters anyways because that's the only thing that really matters in this game unless you do CB's all the time and don't have the SP for Proto Gear.

Now, no where does J say that you get to keep anything.

Fact is we don't know what will and what won't be taken from our inventories...it could be one item, they may change out 50 items...we don't know (well, I don't anyways).

All the suits we have now...those are about to become "racial variants". It's possible that ALL the suits get taken back and we get refunded our ISK in exchange.

Got now, Junior?

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copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 93	Posted - 2013.04.25 02:52:00 - [1] - Quote And if I did the math correctly, I should be getting (if returned at current market value like they said.) 198160 AUR is how much I should get back. How much aurum will you guys be getting if it still happens like they say.
ShwerShwerShwer The Marching Mercs General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.04.25 02:56:00 - [2] - Quote 4200. Woot woot! One shield extender blueprint
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 745	Posted - 2013.04.25 02:57:00 - [3] - Quote You assume an AUR refund at current market prices for everything you have ever purchased with AUR. No claim was ever put forward that such would be the case. I could be wrong but it seems that they will only refund AUR for obsolete items that are removed from the market permenantly.
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2013.04.25 02:57:00 - [4] - Quote Hahahahaha..... hahahahaha Ccp math/communication/development fail?
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:00:00 - [5] - Quote Thats a crap ton of Aurum right lol
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:07:00 - [6] - Quote Aighun wrote: You assume an AUR refund at current market prices for everything you have ever purchased with AUR. No claim was ever put forward that such would be the case. I could be wrong but it seems that they will only refund AUR for obsolete items that are removed from the market permenantly. this is what I saw, your probably wrong ( I hope so ) " When the upcoming Uprising build is released on May 6th, your character(s) will be reimbursed all the skill points that they have earned and used to date, for redistribution under the new schema. Note that this re-spec only applies to your current skills, and items that you have in your inventory. The refund value of ISK and AUR items will be based on the market value at the time of the re-spec." - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/04/17/dust-514-uprising-may-6th-skill-system-upgrade/
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:13:00 - [7] - Quote Aighun wrote: You assume an AUR refund at current market prices for everything you have ever purchased with AUR. No claim was ever put forward that such would be the case. I could be wrong but it seems that they will only refund AUR for obsolete items that are removed from the market permenantly. Oh and to add on more. These are things, that I have bought with Aurum that are still in my inventory (blueprint stuff) and one Proto logi suit
WyrmHero1945 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 130	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:14:00 - [8] - Quote Dude that's almost $100
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 566	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:16:00 - [9] - Quote I bought 3 of every militant BPO, you do the math
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 496	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:18:00 - [10] - Quote If this math involves getting over 100 times more AUR refunded than you payed I doubt that's going to happen. That's not how the world works.

copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:19:00 - [11] - Quote slap26 wrote: I bought 3 of every militant BPO, you do the math buy me some boosters!
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:21:00 - [12] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: If this math involves getting over 100 times more AUR refunded than you payed I doubt that's going to happen. That's not how the world works. You are trying to troll right? This is just the stuff I bought added up..... go troll somewhere else.
WyrmHero1945 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 130	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:21:00 - [13] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: If this math involves getting over 100 times more AUR refunded than you payed I doubt that's going to happen. That's not how the world works. It's how it works in Dust though, because he bought things that were very cheap in closed beta and if they remove them he'll get today's market value AUR.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 746	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:22:00 - [14] - Quote copy left wrote: Aighun wrote: You assume an AUR refund at current market prices for everything you have ever purchased with AUR. No claim was ever put forward that such would be the case. I could be wrong but it seems that they will only refund AUR for obsolete items that are removed from the market permenantly. Oh and to add on more. These are things, that I have bought with Aurum that are still in my inventory (blueprint stuff) and one Proto logi suit Well, could be interesting. I actually kind of hope you are right. And that I am wrong.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:23:00 - [15] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: If this math involves getting over 100 times more AUR refunded than you payed I doubt that's going to happen. That's not how the world works. It's how it works in Dust though, because he bought things that were very cheap in closed beta and if they remove them he'll get today's market value AUR. At least I hope they hold true to their statement.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:27:00 - [16] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: If this math involves getting over 100 times more AUR refunded than you payed I doubt that's going to happen. That's not how the world works. And then think about it like this. You bought a car for 10000 muney. A few months later, they raised the price on that same car to 19800 muney, and took your car from you (you already bought it, and cheaper for the current price at that) but only gave you what you paid for it in the beginning . You still want that car, but now you dont have enough to get it.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 746	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:30:00 - [17] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: If this math involves getting over 100 times more AUR refunded than you payed I doubt that's going to happen. That's not how the world works. This is exactly how the world works for the 1%.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 975	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:36:00 - [18] - Quote BPOs, Boosters, and UVTs(maybe) probably won't get refunded. Consumable weapons/suits/modules/vehicles are the ones that probably will. Quote: You may have committed to a certain play style, and with an overhauled layout and collection of skills, you may find yourself regretting some of your prior choices. Boosters, UVTs, and Militia BPOs don't involve making a "commitment" to any particular play-style.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 496	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:42:00 - [19] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: BPOs, Boosters, and UVTs(maybe) probably won't get refunded. Consumable weapons/suits/modules/vehicles are the ones that probably will. Quote: You may have committed to a certain play style, and with an overhauled layout and collection of skills, you may find yourself regretting some of your prior choices. Boosters, UVTs, and Militia BPOs don't involve making a "commitment" to any particular play-style. Thank you! I'm really, really glad I'm not the only person that realizes this. That's the same reason they're not touching your officer gear. EDIT: Should add "probably", I know. This is how I understood it from reading the blog. CCP is not known for their clear and concise communications so I've learned to it's best to base your understanding on the overall feel of what they're saying and never assume anything based on a single line or a few words.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:49:00 - [20] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: BPOs, Boosters, and UVTs(maybe) probably won't get refunded. Consumable weapons/suits/modules/vehicles are the ones that probably will. Quote: You may have committed to a certain play style, and with an overhauled layout and collection of skills, you may find yourself regretting some of your prior choices. Boosters, UVTs, and Militia BPOs don't involve making a "commitment" to any particular play-style. Thank you! I'm really, really glad I'm not the only person that realizes this. That's the same reason they're not touching your officer gear. EDIT: Should add "probably", I know. This is how I understood it from reading the blog. CCP is not known for their clear and concise communications so I've learned to it's best to base your understanding on the overall feel of what they're saying and never assume anything based on a single line or a few words. If you base your understanding on the overall feel, but still dont quite understand, you are still assuming....

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 975	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:58:00 - [21] - Quote copy left wrote: If you base your understanding on the overall feel, but still dont quite understand, you are still assuming.... Correct, but you're also making the assumption that every item you've purchased(and still posses) will get refunded. We're both making assumptions here, so your math could be right, or it could be completely off.
Mithridates VI DUST 411 969	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:04:00 - [22] - Quote copy left wrote: (if returned at current market value like they said.) [quote=copy leftThe refund value of ISK and AUR items will be based on the market value at the time of the re-spec." [/quote]
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 496	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:12:00 - [23] - Quote copy left wrote: If you base your understanding on the overall feel, but still dont quite understand, you are still assuming.... I was speaking in a general sense when one is reading things from CCP. English is a second or third language for most of the people there so their word choice can be a little odd sometimes so I was just saying it's better not to get too hung up on what each and every world implies. I know my little edit on there about I should have said "probably" but actually that only applies to the officer gear. As far as the BPO's go if you bought them at the original price back in the day you are not going to refunded the current price of them. Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to happen.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 94	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:16:00 - [24] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: copy left wrote: If you base your understanding on the overall feel, but still dont quite understand, you are still assuming.... I was speaking in a general sense when one is reading things from CCP. English is a second or third language for most of the people there so their word choice can be a little odd sometimes so I was just saying it's better not to get too hung up on what each and every world implies. I know my little edit on there about I should have said "probably" but actually that only applies to the officer gear. As far as the BPO's go if you bought them at the original price back in the day you are not going to refunded the current price of them. Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to happen. Im just going off of what they said.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD 1002	Posted - 2013.04.25 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote copy left wrote: Thats a crap ton of Aurum right lol It's becuase he, like me, bought militia bpos at 40AUR and they now sell for 5000 AUR a pop. So we are making a profit becuase we got to be in the closed beta test
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 125	Posted - 2013.04.25 05:22:00 - [26] - Quote Some of the BPOs will probably be refunded, like the dropsuits. Unlike the militia gear, the MAG tribute suits (as well as others I think) require you to have at least one level in that specific suit, so I could reasonably see those getting refunded. Militia BPOs could go either way.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 497	Posted - 2013.04.25 07:00:00 - [27] - Quote Ok... so you guys actually think you're going to 5000 AUR back for something you paid 40 AUR for? Yea, good luck with that. That's over a 10,000% profit for a small percentage of the player base. And all that free AUR can be used to buy more "P2W" gear? Not a chance of hell is that going to happen. Not to mention those militia items don't take any skills to use so there is no reason to refund them. Same goes for salvage. I doubt you'll be getting a refund for salvaged gear since you didn't pay for it. That's what I think anyway but they might do that for salvage that is available for purchase. I doubt it , but it's possible. But no way can anyone be expecting a whole bunch of free AUR.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 141	Posted - 2013.04.25 07:40:00 - [28] - Quote slap26 wrote: I bought 3 of every militant BPO, you do the math And I bought 5 of some back when they were all 30-60 AUR. Even if they don't take em all back....if they take even just ONE, hell that's 11k x 3 to 5....makes it well worth it. So I'm squarely in the "GET RID OF ALL THE MILITIA BPO'S!!!" camp.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 360	Posted - 2013.04.25 07:45:00 - [29] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Ok... so you guys actually think you're going to 5000 AUR back for something you paid 40 AUR for? Yea, good luck with that. That's over a 10,000% profit for a small percentage of the player base. And all that free AUR can be used to buy more "P2W" gear? Not a chance of hell is that going to happen. Not to mention those militia items don't take any skills to use so there is no reason to refund them. Same goes for salvage. I doubt you'll be getting a refund for salvaged gear since you didn't pay for it. That's what I think anyway but they might do that for salvage that is available for purchase. I doubt it , but it's possible. But no way can anyone be expecting a whole bunch of free AUR. Sorry your wrong. As stated earlier you will get the current replacement cost for any item removed BPO or not. Again, Sorry.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 379	Posted - 2013.04.25 08:12:00 - [30] - Quote The idea is that anything that is removed will be refunded with the amount needed to buy the item again at the new price. But as others have already said, i can't see militia gear being changed all that much so probably won't be removed. I wouldn't get yourhopes up if you overstocked. If you only have single BPOs, you'll probably be wanting to buy them back again anyway.

BlG MAMA Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2013.04.25 08:26:00 - [31] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Dude that's almost $100 now imagine if the game was 60$ and there were no AURUM can you say G R E E D ?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 497	Posted - 2013.04.25 09:43:00 - [32] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Sorry your wrong. As stated earlier you will get the current replacement cost for any item removed BPO or not. Again, Sorry. So you think they're going to pay you and let you keep the item? Hahahahaha no.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 141	Posted - 2013.04.25 10:03:00 - [33] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Sorry your wrong. As stated earlier you will get the current replacement cost for any item removed BPO or not. Again, Sorry. So you think they're going to pay you and let you keep the item? Hahahahaha no. Are you completely mentally deficient or just in the area of reading comprehension? If an Item is removed from your inventory, you will be paid the current rate of what it used to cost. So, if it would cost you 11k AUR to buy...say a Militia PG upgrade, and you have 5 copies of that, and that is something that CCP takes away from the game or makes changes to which means they have to take it out of inventory, then you will receive 55K Aurum in exchange for it. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? The amount of players that bought the BPOs at the previous price of 30-60 AUR is relatively small. We're all closed beta players. So we luck out, for once. Big whoop. Most of us will just spend it on boosters anyways because that's the only thing that really matters in this game unless you do CB's all the time and don't have the SP for Proto Gear. Now, no where does J say that you get to keep anything. Fact is we don't know what will and what won't be taken from our inventories...it could be one item, they may change out 50 items...we don't know (well, I don't anyways). All the suits we have now...those are about to become "racial variants". It's possible that ALL the suits get taken back and we get refunded our ISK in exchange. Got now, Junior?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 498	Posted - 2013.04.25 10:37:00 - [34] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Sorry your wrong. As stated earlier you will get the current replacement cost for any item removed BPO or not. Again, Sorry. So you think they're going to pay you and let you keep the item? Hahahahaha no. My bad, mate. Misread what you were trying to say. Thought you were saying whether they were removed or not, not whether they were a BPO. BattleCry1791 wrote: Are you completely mentally deficient or just in the area of reading comprehension? If an Item is removed from your inventory, you will be paid the current rate of what it used to cost. So, if it would cost you 11k AUR to buy...say a Militia PG upgrade, and you have 5 copies of that, and that is something that CCP takes away from the game or makes changes to which means they have to take it out of inventory, then you will receive 55K Aurum in exchange for it. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? The amount of players that bought the BPOs at the previous price of 30-60 AUR is relatively small. We're all closed beta players. So we luck out, for once. Big whoop. Most of us will just spend it on boosters anyways because that's the only thing that really matters in this game unless you do CB's all the time and don't have the SP for Proto Gear. Now, no where does J say that you get to keep anything. Fact is we don't know what will and what won't be taken from our inventories...it could be one item, they may change out 50 items...we don't know (well, I don't anyways). All the suits we have now...those are about to become "racial variants". It's possible that ALL the suits get taken back and we get refunded our ISK in exchange. Got now, Junior? Ok. None of what you said addressed my point so I'll break it down for you and use small words. If CCP removes militia BPO's then that dev blog could be taken to mean I will be receiving around 900,000 free AUR, which is about $300 US. But since that is completely stupid they will not be removing militia BPO's. Also since militia BPO's are not affected by skills then even seriously thinking you're going to "luck out" like that is also completely stupid. Now go lie down and rest, I know that was a lot to take in at once. And don't call me Junior, Sport.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2599	Posted - 2013.04.25 11:59:00 - [35] - Quote So a few assumptions that need emphasising: 1. They will refund everything - this has been explicitly denied by the devs. They've said they will only remove/refund your gear when it's something that will be significantly affected by the new skill system changes. It's possible that some of the BPOs will be refunded - things like ARs (because Scrambler) and maybe the suits that have skill requirements or new variants. 2. The current market prices NOW will be the same as the market prices in the new build. There's nothing anywhere that indicates this, and some hints have suggested that a lot of AUR prices will be dropping from current levels. 3. AUR is actually valid for anything outside of New Eden, and can be in any way converted to real money. While it's arguably possible to get real money for your AUR, there isn't any legal way to do so, and attempting to do so would be painfully easy to track down and both CCP and Sony would have solid grounds for court cases againts you because of it.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2113	Posted - 2013.04.25 12:13:00 - [36] - Quote I got a huge stockpile of AUR Blueprint Originals of all the militia gear back when prices were dirt cheap. If I get refunded at the higher prices, I will get a huge boost of AUR. Also I did some calculation on my salvage. Just for the 35 units of the Prometheus dropships that I have, I might get refunded 16 million ISK for that alone. This is not including the rest of the salvage.


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