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Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
35
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Posted - 2013.04.20 14:57:00 -
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people keep asking for buffs on AV so they can solo tanks, (which many people can), Then they keep asking to nerf tanks so their ability to solo 750k or higher piece of artillery is very high. Sicas and Somas are not in this b/c their cheep. As of now, AV is at its strongest point a 2.5 mil isk sagaris has to run from 2 guys with 3k isk worth of militia forge guns. I drive Sagaris, when i loose it i have to spend a week trying to get it back and then when i take it out... what do you know it lasts 2 matches if i dont ***** and hide in the red zone. im at about a 2mil loss every time i loose it cuz it only lasts about 2 matches and then you fkers say that tanks are op, no-no your cheep ass forge gun is op... |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
255
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:01:00 -
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Wait till uprising
New AV weapon, prob be OP
They have split up the skills also, but will it mean now more SP to get the same tanks we have now, also will it be just as easy to skill into AV as it is now
Also rumor that mauraders is being removed, it maybe the skill book, i hope its not the tanks ie Sagaris and Surya and repelaced with the new high damage output but possible glass cannon frame
If we still keep all the tanks we have now and add in the new tank, will the new tank be lvl 4 HAV skill? so requiring more SP but techincally getting a weaker tank |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:05:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Wait till uprising
New AV weapon, prob be OP
They have split up the skills also, but will it mean now more SP to get the same tanks we have now, also will it be just as easy to skill into AV as it is now
Also rumor that mauraders is being removed, it maybe the skill book, i hope its not the tanks ie Sagaris and Surya and repelaced with the new high damage output but possible glass cannon frame
If we still keep all the tanks we have now and add in the new tank, will the new tank be lvl 4 HAV skill? so requiring more SP but techincally getting a weaker tank
yes its sad... i love tanking, i used to feel safe in a tank now its just, HOLY SHlT A MILITIA SWARM/ MILITIA FORGE OR SOME OTHER CHEEP AS$ AV WEAPON, RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, next thing you know their goes my sagaris... |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
508
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:07:00 -
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Don't you see? It's a team game; and those people who use AV simply want to assist their team, which is the exact goal in your mind when you take out the tank. what they have done is taken out the scissors when you whip out the paper. you are therefore outmatched and you can do nothing about it. That's how it's meant to be. can't complain when there are so many ways to avoid having your tank destroyed. Just use cheap tanks that you can afford until you master movement and situational awareness. To be a good vehicle pilot, whether you're in an aerial or ground vehicle, requires more than just the most expensive gear. Lose and learn from it. Because tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. You just need to find your inner balance.
Tldr; read first word of each line. |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:09:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Don't you see? It's a team game; and those people who use AV simply want to assist their team, which is the exact goal in your mind when you take out the tank. what they have done is taken out the scissors when you whip out the paper. you are therefore outmatched and you can do nothing about it. That's how it's meant to be. can't complain when there are so many ways to avoid having your tank destroyed. Just use cheap tanks that you can afford until you master movement and situational awareness. To be a good vehicle pilot, whether you're in an aerial or ground vehicle, requires more than just the most expensive gear. Lose and learn from it. Because tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. You just need to find your inner balance.
Tldr; read first word of each line.
so paper cost 2.5 mil more than scissors? dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and it still doesn't pay for my lossees
nobody can afford tanks, thier worth a week of hard working... unless you use the gay somas and sicas |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
454
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:42:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0
and you've just proven yourself wrong.
the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1.
you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense? |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
553
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:45:00 -
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drive standard tanks in pubbies, save the proto **** for corp battles |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:49:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and you've just proven yourself wrong. the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1. you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense?
i go 31 and 0 then i loose it in the next match.... |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.04.20 15:50:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and you've just proven yourself wrong. the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1. you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense?
also if you read carefully, i say it doesn't pay for my losses.... maybe i had 2 sagarises and i lost one then i used the next one and went 31 and 0. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
203
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:11:00 -
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It's down to your team to kill their AV'ers while you take out turrets, vehicles and generally any threat to your ground troops. It's a group tactics game. |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2793
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:52:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Don't you see? It's a team game; and those people who use AV simply want to assist their team, which is the exact goal in your mind when you take out the tank. what they have done is taken out the scissors when you whip out the paper. you are therefore outmatched and you can do nothing about it. That's how it's meant to be. can't complain when there are so many ways to avoid having your tank destroyed. Just use cheap tanks that you can afford until you master movement and situational awareness. To be a good vehicle pilot, whether you're in an aerial or ground vehicle, requires more than just the most expensive gear. Lose and learn from it. Because tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. You just need to find your inner balance.
Tldr; read first word of each line.
newsflash: tanks are actually not balanced atm in both tank v tank and tank v av infantry but im kinda tired of having to explain this to ppl , gets old |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2793
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:53:00 -
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slap26 wrote:drive standard tanks in pubbies, save the proto **** for corp battles
this also ^ |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
998
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:57:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Wait till uprising
New AV weapon, prob be OP
They have split up the skills also, but will it mean now more SP to get the same tanks we have now, also will it be just as easy to skill into AV as it is now
Also rumor that mauraders is being removed, it maybe the skill book, i hope its not the tanks ie Sagaris and Surya and repelaced with the new high damage output but possible glass cannon frame
If we still keep all the tanks we have now and add in the new tank, will the new tank be lvl 4 HAV skill? so requiring more SP but techincally getting a weaker tank yes its sad... i love tanking, i used to feel safe in a tank now its just, HOLY SHlT A MILITIA SWARM/ MILITIA FORGE OR SOME OTHER CHEEP AS$ AV WEAPON, RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, next thing you know their goes my sagaris... but nothing changed... |
Ninjanomyx
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
31
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:02:00 -
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Proven ignorance all over this Topic....... A Dropsuit can hide behind multiple Obstacles & regens HP quite fast (Especially w/ Logibro Support or Regulators/Regenerators). AV can be fit to a DS allowing AI & AV efficiency at any given time. A Tank has to wait 35 Seconds or so before it can successfully Reengage (Often 45-60 Seconds if they want to survive our next Engagement). I've Solo'd Gunnlogii & Sagarii simply by putting on a Skinweave FatSuit w/ a Militia Forge & 1 Complex Damage Mod & still effectively fend off Black Suits (Proto for those out of the loop) w/ the awesomeness that is the OHKO. Tank escaping??? Grab a LAV, fly over a hill, hop out & pound away w/ AV Nades & Forge the remains.
Any SP invested in AV??? Nope.....just took the Lvl 1 Auto-Allocated Grenade SP (1 Level) & some BPO Militia & Militia Grade trash, hop in a FREE LAV (Or position up high) & went to town. I've had more fun on the "Ground" (Tanks apparently Fly???) lately, even though I'm fully Tank Spec'd. Satisfaction in forcing ISK Loss for FREE or Cheap is indeed Priceless. Mind you I'm obviously a proficient Tanker (More ISK than yo Momma), yet I feel compelled to spec out come Respec.
The moment all the Scrublets (Not to be confused w/ Nooblets) learn to use AV properly....there may never be a need for a Tanker to be fielded. I still spawn 'em for Kittens 'n Giggles b/c I can crush the vast majority of you w/ my Wallet, & it's fun tossin' Toilet Paper Pi+Ķatas onto the field just to see who in the Playerbase has a Brain :P |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
65
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:19:00 -
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I must live in a parallel universe because most of what I see are people asking for AV nerf / tank buff. Personally I think AV vs tank is fairly balanced cause it can take my squad an entire match (if we take it out at all) to take out a good tank with a good crew and we're using packed AV and standard/advanced forge guns & swarm launchers. Though if we didn't keep getting killed by the rest of the enemy team while trying to take out the tank it probably wouldn't take so long.
The problem people are having is the majority are trying to play war without having a clue how to play it; while a handful actually know what the **** they're doing. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
935
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:49:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Buzzwords wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and you've just proven yourself wrong. the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1. you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense? i go 31 and 0 then i loose it in the next match.... i dont give 2 fks about kdr, mines .58 boohoo i suck, thats all from tyring to get sagaris back, i have to use militia gear cuz im not and infantry guy... idc if i go 3-16 using militia But you either saved your own team a lot of ISK, or caused heavy losses to the other side. So yes, your the one who took the single biggest loss, but you also greatly helped your team.
Don't care about your team? Why dashit did you bring in a 2 mill tank into a pub? |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
87
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:54:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Don't care about your team? Why dashit did you bring in a 2 mill tank into a pub?
To feel invincible. Someone pops its bubble, its QQ tiem. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
18
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:02:00 -
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You should not drive anything you can't afford to lose atleast 2-3 times with little impact to your wallet. Not that I mind anyone driving a tank, gives me a reason to take my adv forge gun out... |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1260
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:08:00 -
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Something to consider about pub matches- The enemy team will always be more competent.
If you use a marauder, the enemy will bring out 4 people with good AV. If the enemy uses a marauder, nobody on your team will touch even a starter fit swarm. If you use a marauder, nobody on your team will cover you. Enemy marauders will always have at least 4 infantry with proto everything protecting it.
Hell, if you use a marauder, you'll probably get suicide rammed by your own team. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2060
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:23:00 -
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It's a little late to talk about this at this point. May 6 is almost around the corner. Better to wait until then to see what CCP did. |
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Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
158
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:46:00 -
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Just know that they are removing the Current tanks, and in uprising are going to be better tanks. So you the player have to be better at your role... People complain because they suck and cant take on a tank, or lose there tank because they think they are invincible.
Anyways you play your role and there will be no problem..
for example- I have proto swarms- and advanced forge guns, But AV isnt my role, I just got these because I got bored.
People run there role and max out whatever... SO you max out AV- proto swarms + proto AV nades your good...
Its how the game works... Run your role in the new uprising build... |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD
349
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:52:00 -
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If you call down a proto tank solo in a pub you are doing it wrong. If forge gunners are getting to you, have your infantry move in and clear them out. If they can't, don't bring tanks down until you can find a real squad. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
931
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Posted - 2013.04.20 19:04:00 -
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Oh this is rich. By the sounds of it, you want to solo everything in a little can. It sounds like you don't want to make the effort to eliminate threats, rather just have them be so minute that they become negligible. I can agree that AV nades give too much bang for their buck (literally), and in my use of Militia Forges, they are powerful like all forges but slow like the dickens.
So seriously, bring some support, because my LAV can take a forge hit and walk away and my Myron can take 3, so you must be joking when you say two sends a Sagaris running. Also, a blaster does way more DPS than a forge, you should be able to kill them before they get you, so I don't know why you're running from them..... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
937
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Posted - 2013.04.20 19:35:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Oh this is rich. By the sounds of it, you want to solo everything in a little can. Seriously, It takes me 4-5 matches to pay for my tank, so my tank should be an "I win button for 4-5 matches" is all I heard from the OP. |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
138
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Posted - 2013.04.20 19:48:00 -
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Tanks are weak? BWHAHAHAHA!
Good God, man. I have my swarm launchers at level 3 proficiency, and I still see tanks take four bursts (or more) before exploding into balls of flame. And that's *only* if their drivers are stupid and remain out in the open, instead of scampering around a corner or behind a hill to rebuild their armor/shields.
At any rate, let's see what happens on May 6. Everything will be new again ... |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
110
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:19:00 -
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Tanks are so OP, It's so hard to kill them with my free starter AV fit I should be able to take top tier tankers down solo with 3 shots. Also the forge gun should have homing capability. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
165
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:25:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:Tanks are so OP, It's so hard to kill them with my free starter AV fit I should be able to take top tier tankers down solo with 3 shots. Also the forge gun should have homing capability. Oh shut up. You don't know what it's like to be on team running full AV and then be continually spawn killed by a tank that can shoot across the map. |
Kane Fyea
BetaMax. CRONOS.
147
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:33:00 -
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Lol going to try to find OP in tank and blow it up with advanced swarms and packed AV grenades.
I see nice salty tears in the future. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
273
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:47:00 -
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The extremely varied responses from the anti-HAV crowd is pretty interesting.
There's a group of people saying what amounts to "If you use a HAV solo you deserve to lose it", because while it's perfectly okay for a dropsuit to be a viable solo option, vehicles must be completely non-viable without the support of a dedicated squad.
On the other end is the "HAVs OP" crowd. Like the guy up above a little ways, upset that he can't take out a HAV with a single magazine of his standard swarm launcher. Turns out that despite the first group making it clear that HAVs must be squad weapons, an AV user should still be able to solo it. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
940
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:04:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:The extremely varied responses from the anti-HAV crowd is pretty interesting.
There's a group of people saying what amounts to "If you use a HAV solo you deserve to lose it", because while it's perfectly okay for a dropsuit to be a viable solo option, vehicles must be completely non-viable without the support of a dedicated squad.
On the other end is the "HAVs OP" crowd. Like the guy up above a little ways, upset that he can't take out a HAV with a single magazine of his standard swarm launcher. Turns out that despite the first group making it clear that HAVs must be squad weapons, an AV user should still be able to solo it. Right, because 1 guy with AV won't get slaughtered by infantry They both need support, and the guy you're talking about was using sarcasm.= |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
158
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:23:00 -
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I see tanks **** face in assault games all the time, so long as they are not on a scrubby team. I think tanks are still OP because they are too mobile - the second they go into a risk zone they just throttle and drive off to rep. People complain about things like "my elite tank can be lost within 30 seconds to AV" - I laugh at this: 30 seconds is near infinity in FPS - defnitely enough time for a tank to escape. I also find that tanks are not used as a balancing factor, right now they are used as proto suits - only when one side knows that they are winning they feel comfortable rolling out the tanks. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
166
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:29:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:The extremely varied responses from the anti-HAV crowd is pretty interesting.
There's a group of people saying what amounts to "If you use a HAV solo you deserve to lose it", because while it's perfectly okay for a dropsuit to be a viable solo option, vehicles must be completely non-viable without the support of a dedicated squad.
On the other end is the "HAVs OP" crowd. Like the guy up above a little ways, upset that he can't take out a HAV with a single magazine of his standard swarm launcher. Turns out that despite the first group making it clear that HAVs must be squad weapons, an AV user should still be able to solo it. Of course dropsuits can be used solo, unless you talking about one of those dropsuits piloted by dwarfs where they stand on each others shoulders. Dropsuits are human sized mechs so to speak. They only need one person because you can just move and it moves with you. Tanks, on the other hand, are building sized machines of destruction, so of course you need more than one person. Your argument is completely invalid. And, if you had read my post "up a little ways", you would have seen that I was complaining about my ENTIRE TEAM running standard to advanced AV gear and not being able to take out a single blaster tanks that was shooting us from across the map. Learn to read or GTFO |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
158
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:35:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:Tanks are so OP, It's so hard to kill them with my free starter AV fit I should be able to take top tier tankers down solo with 3 shots. Also the forge gun should have homing capability.
You should be able to take top tanks in 3 shots. If tanks is in the open that long and if there is no support infantry to cause the AV guy to move out of the aiming position with suppressive fire in 15 sec that it takes to get all 3 volleys in. The whole 'tanks are expensive and it gotta be my win button' logic is a strong move in the 'I pay to win' direction even if we are talking about isk. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
64
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:37:00 -
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No one in this tread knows what they are talking about, a tank is not underpowered. and they can be piloted by one person
I should know being that I both determine where the tank goes, and shoot the main gun, and activating defense mods sometimes all or two at the same time.
Raise your hand if you regularly blow them up or pilot them. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.04.20 23:30:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Lol going to try to find OP in tank and blow it up with advanced swarms and packed AV grenades.
I see nice salty tears in the future.
I usually would tell someone to calm their jets, but.... this time, and seeing that half his post are AV is OP, I'll help. I might even drop a tank just to do a "friendly" search and destroy |
CYRAX SERVIUS
The Generals EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.04.20 23:53:00 -
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Aythadis Smith wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Lol going to try to find OP in tank and blow it up with advanced swarms and packed AV grenades.
I see nice salty tears in the future. I usually would tell someone to calm their jets, but.... this time, and seeing that half his post are AV is OP, I'll help. I might even drop a tank just to do a "friendly" search and destroy This |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
160
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Posted - 2013.04.21 01:07:00 -
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-The problem with the Good Tank "teams" is that they have a squad of good "team" players on the ground in infantry wiping out blueberries so fast, that there aren't any left. Let alone any with AV get to a tank and live 3 seconds to lock on and fire 1 shot.
Its also most of the time 2 or 3 dedicated squads at the same time on the same side, once they have momentum it's really hard to stop them rolling you when all you see after you spawn is red zerging your position at best, at worst they kill you at spawning in.
Unless they make the maps bigger and spawns more diverse, it is gonna stay a problem of whack a mole, going from spawn location to location.
Then to add onto the above, they will have 2 tanks then coming from opposite locations in a pincher attack formation its pretty much game over no matter how good you are or what stuff you got on then.
Throw in a random Orbital once all the reds are clustered together due to the spawn mechanic and well, next game.
-Bad tank people just vroem vroem around the track oblivious of whats going on and pretend they are Infantry with their tank, then stand still behind a big rock i can hide behind, drop a gauged pack, and pretend i am a Grenade Turret.
OP sounds like the second stuff i wrote...
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Corn In TheSkidmark
Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
111
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Posted - 2013.04.21 01:12:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:Tanks are so OP, It's so hard to kill them with my free starter AV fit I should be able to take top tier tankers down solo with 3 shots. Also the forge gun should have homing capability. Oh shut up. You don't know what it's like to be on team running full AV and then be continually spawn killed by a tank that can shoot across the map.
How rude of you. Get some preparation H for that sore butt of yours |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
93
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Posted - 2013.04.21 01:31:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:people keep asking for buffs on AV so they can solo tanks, (which many people can), Then they keep asking to nerf tanks so their ability to solo 750k or higher piece of artillery is very high. Sicas and Somas are not in this b/c their cheep. As of now, AV is at its strongest point a 2.5 mil isk sagaris has to run from 2 guys with 3k isk worth of militia forge guns. I drive Sagaris, when i loose it i have to spend a week trying to get it back and then when i take it out... what do you know it lasts 2 matches if i dont ***** and hide in the red zone. im at about a 2mil loss every time i loose it cuz it only lasts about 2 matches and then you fkers say that tanks are op, no-no your cheep ass forge gun is op...
So you want to be able to take anything and everything and get your KD/R up on the 'noobs' as they run without any sort of method of stopping you.
And you call this balance? I'll I'm seeing here is 'someone used an AV weapon to destroy my tank, tanks suck!'
Swarm launchers and forge guns are your bane for a reason. Adapt or die. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
8
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Posted - 2013.04.21 01:37:00 -
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It isn't always the tank you have to worry about. The guy who is spotter for the tank might just be your greatest foe. |
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