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        |  Anmol Singh
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 35
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 14:57:00 -
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 people keep asking for buffs on AV so they can solo tanks, (which many people can), Then they keep asking to nerf tanks so their ability to solo 750k or higher piece of artillery is very high. Sicas and Somas are not in this b/c their cheep. As of now, AV is at its strongest point a 2.5 mil isk sagaris has to run from 2 guys with 3k isk worth of militia forge guns. I drive Sagaris, when i loose it i have to spend a week trying to get it back and then when i take it out... what do you know it lasts 2 matches if i dont ***** and hide in the red zone. im at about a 2mil loss every time i loose it cuz it only lasts about 2 matches and then you fkers say that tanks are op, no-no your cheep ass forge gun is op...
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        |  Takahiro Kashuken
 Red Star.
 EoN.
 
 255
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:01:00 -
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 Wait till uprising
 
 New AV weapon, prob be OP
 
 They have split up the skills also, but will it mean now more SP to get the same tanks we have now, also will it be just as easy to skill into AV as it is now
 
 Also rumor that mauraders is being removed, it maybe the skill book, i hope its not the tanks ie Sagaris and Surya and repelaced with the new high damage output but possible glass cannon frame
 
 If we still keep all the tanks we have now and add in the new tank, will the new tank be lvl 4 HAV skill? so requiring more SP but techincally getting a weaker tank
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        |  Anmol Singh
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 36
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:05:00 -
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 Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Wait till uprising 
 New AV weapon, prob be OP
 
 They have split up the skills also, but will it mean now more SP to get the same tanks we have now, also will it be just as easy to skill into AV as it is now
 
 Also rumor that mauraders is being removed, it maybe the skill book, i hope its not the tanks ie Sagaris and Surya and repelaced with the new high damage output but possible glass cannon frame
 
 If we still keep all the tanks we have now and add in the new tank, will the new tank be lvl 4 HAV skill? so requiring more SP but techincally getting a weaker tank
 
 yes its sad... i love tanking, i used to feel safe in a tank now its just, HOLY SHlT A MILITIA SWARM/ MILITIA FORGE OR SOME OTHER CHEEP AS$ AV WEAPON, RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, next thing you know their goes my sagaris...
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        |  Vyzion Eyri
 The Southern Legion
 RISE of LEGION
 
 508
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:07:00 -
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 Don't you see? It's a team game; and those people who
 use AV simply want to assist their team, which is the exact goal in your mind when you take out the tank.
 what they have done is taken out the scissors when you whip out the paper.
 you are therefore outmatched and you can do nothing about it. That's how it's meant to be.
 can't complain when there are so many ways to avoid having your tank destroyed. Just use cheap tanks that you can
 afford until you master movement and situational awareness.
 To be a good vehicle pilot, whether you're in an aerial or ground vehicle, requires more than just the most expensive gear.
 Lose and learn from it. Because tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. You just need to find your inner balance.
 
 Tldr; read first word of each line.
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        |  Anmol Singh
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 36
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:09:00 -
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 Vyzion Eyri wrote:Don't you see? It's a team game; and those people whouse AV simply want to assist their team, which is the exact goal in your mind when you take out the tank.
 what they have done is taken out the scissors when you whip out the paper.
 you are therefore outmatched and you can do nothing about it. That's how it's meant to be.
 can't complain when there are so many ways to avoid having your tank destroyed. Just use cheap tanks that you can
 afford until you master movement and situational awareness.
 To be a good vehicle pilot, whether you're in an aerial or ground vehicle, requires more than just the most expensive gear.
 Lose and learn from it. Because tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. You just need to find your inner balance.
 
 Tldr; read first word of each line.
 
 so paper cost 2.5 mil more than scissors? dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and it still doesn't pay for my lossees
 
 nobody can afford tanks, thier worth a week of hard working... unless you use the gay somas and sicas
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        |  Buzzwords
 Deadly Blue Dots
 RISE of LEGION
 
 454
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:42:00 -
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 Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 
 
 and you've just proven yourself wrong.
 
 
 the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1.
 
 
 you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense?
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        |  slap26
 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
 Noir. Mercenary Group
 
 553
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:45:00 -
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 drive standard tanks in pubbies, save the proto **** for corp battles
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        |  Anmol Singh
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 36
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:49:00 -
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 Buzzwords wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and you've just proven yourself wrong. the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1. you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense? 
 i go 31 and 0 then i loose it in the next match....
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        |  Anmol Singh
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 36
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 15:50:00 -
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 Buzzwords wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and you've just proven yourself wrong. the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1. you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense? 
 also if you read carefully, i say it doesn't pay for my losses.... maybe i had 2 sagarises and i lost one then i used the next one and went 31 and 0.
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        |  Coleman Gray
 GunFall Mobilization
 Covert Intervention
 
 203
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 16:11:00 -
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 It's down to your team to kill their AV'ers while you take out turrets, vehicles and generally any threat to your ground troops. It's a group tactics game.
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        |  Mavado V Noriega
 SyNergy Gaming
 EoN.
 
 2793
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 16:52:00 -
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 Vyzion Eyri wrote:Don't you see? It's a team game; and those people whouse AV simply want to assist their team, which is the exact goal in your mind when you take out the tank.
 what they have done is taken out the scissors when you whip out the paper.
 you are therefore outmatched and you can do nothing about it. That's how it's meant to be.
 can't complain when there are so many ways to avoid having your tank destroyed. Just use cheap tanks that you can
 afford until you master movement and situational awareness.
 To be a good vehicle pilot, whether you're in an aerial or ground vehicle, requires more than just the most expensive gear.
 Lose and learn from it. Because tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. You just need to find your inner balance.
 
 Tldr; read first word of each line.
 
 newsflash: tanks are actually not balanced atm in both tank v tank and tank v av infantry
 but im kinda tired of having to explain this to ppl , gets old
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        |  Mavado V Noriega
 SyNergy Gaming
 EoN.
 
 2793
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 16:53:00 -
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 slap26 wrote:drive standard tanks in pubbies, save the proto **** for corp battles 
 this also ^
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        |  crazy space 1
 ZionTCD
 
 998
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 16:57:00 -
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 Anmol Singh wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Wait till uprising 
 New AV weapon, prob be OP
 
 They have split up the skills also, but will it mean now more SP to get the same tanks we have now, also will it be just as easy to skill into AV as it is now
 
 Also rumor that mauraders is being removed, it maybe the skill book, i hope its not the tanks ie Sagaris and Surya and repelaced with the new high damage output but possible glass cannon frame
 
 If we still keep all the tanks we have now and add in the new tank, will the new tank be lvl 4 HAV skill? so requiring more SP but techincally getting a weaker tank
 yes its sad... i love tanking, i used to feel safe in a tank now its just, HOLY SHlT A MILITIA SWARM/ MILITIA FORGE OR SOME OTHER CHEEP AS$ AV WEAPON, RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, next thing you know their goes my sagaris... but nothing changed...
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        |  Ninjanomyx
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 31
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 17:02:00 -
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 Proven ignorance all over this Topic....... A Dropsuit can hide behind multiple Obstacles & regens HP quite fast (Especially w/ Logibro Support or Regulators/Regenerators). AV can be fit to a DS allowing AI & AV efficiency at any given time. A Tank has to wait 35 Seconds or so before it can successfully Reengage (Often 45-60 Seconds if they want to survive our next Engagement). I've Solo'd Gunnlogii & Sagarii simply by putting on a Skinweave FatSuit w/ a Militia Forge & 1 Complex Damage Mod & still effectively fend off Black Suits (Proto for those out of the loop) w/ the awesomeness that is the OHKO. Tank escaping??? Grab a LAV, fly over a hill, hop out & pound away w/ AV Nades & Forge the remains.
 
 Any SP invested in AV??? Nope.....just took the Lvl 1 Auto-Allocated Grenade SP (1 Level) & some BPO Militia & Militia Grade trash, hop in a FREE LAV (Or position up high) & went to town. I've had more fun on the "Ground" (Tanks apparently Fly???) lately, even though I'm fully Tank Spec'd. Satisfaction in forcing ISK Loss for FREE or Cheap is indeed Priceless. Mind you I'm obviously a proficient Tanker (More ISK than yo Momma), yet I feel compelled to spec out come Respec.
 
 The moment all the Scrublets (Not to be confused w/ Nooblets) learn to use AV properly....there may never be a need for a Tanker to be fielded. I still spawn 'em for Kittens 'n Giggles b/c I can crush the vast majority of you w/ my Wallet, & it's fun tossin' Toilet Paper Pi+Ķatas onto the field just to see who in the Playerbase has a Brain :P
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        |  Thumb Green
 THE STAR BORN
 
 65
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 17:19:00 -
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 I must live in a parallel universe because most of what I see are people asking for AV nerf / tank buff. Personally I think AV vs tank is fairly balanced cause it can take my squad an entire match (if we take it out at all) to take out a good tank with a good crew and we're using packed AV and standard/advanced forge guns & swarm launchers. Though if we didn't keep getting killed by the rest of the enemy team while trying to take out the tank it probably wouldn't take so long.
 
 The problem people are having is the majority are trying to play war without having a clue how to play it; while a handful actually know what the **** they're doing.
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        |  Sloth9230
 Reaper Galactic
 
 935
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 17:49:00 -
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 Anmol Singh wrote:Buzzwords wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:dude iv gone many matches 31 and 0 and you've just proven yourself wrong. the AV guys aren't going 31 and 0. and even when they kill your sagaris, you just ended up 31 and 1. you're BUYING kdr. and it's working. if you WEREN'T losing isk on it how would that make ANY sense? i go 31 and 0 then i loose it in the next match.... i dont give 2 fks about kdr, mines .58 boohoo i suck, thats all from tyring to get sagaris back, i have to use militia gear cuz im not and infantry guy... idc if i go 3-16 using militia But you either saved your own team a lot of ISK, or caused heavy losses to the other side. So yes, your the one who took the single biggest loss, but you also greatly helped your team.
 
 Don't care about your team? Why dashit did you bring in a 2 mill tank into a pub?
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        |  Rupture Reaperson
 Deadly Blue Dots
 RISE of LEGION
 
 87
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 17:54:00 -
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 Sloth9230 wrote:Don't care about your team? Why dashit did you bring in a 2 mill tank into a pub?
 To feel invincible. Someone pops its bubble, its QQ tiem.
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        |  Hecarim Van Hohen
 The Tritan Industries
 RISE of LEGION
 
 18
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 18:02:00 -
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 You should not drive anything you can't afford to lose atleast 2-3 times with little impact to your wallet. Not that I mind anyone driving a tank, gives me a reason to take my adv forge gun out...
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        |  Scheneighnay McBob
 Bojo's School of the Trades
 
 1260
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 18:08:00 -
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 Something to consider about pub matches-
 The enemy team will always be more competent.
 
 If you use a marauder, the enemy will bring out 4 people with good AV.
 If the enemy uses a marauder, nobody on your team will touch even a starter fit swarm.
 If you use a marauder, nobody on your team will cover you.
 Enemy marauders will always have at least 4 infantry with proto everything protecting it.
 
 Hell, if you use a marauder, you'll probably get suicide rammed by your own team.
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        |  Maken Tosch
 OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
 
 2060
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 18:23:00 -
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 It's a little late to talk about this at this point. May 6 is almost around the corner. Better to wait until then to see what CCP did.
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        |  Geth Massredux
 Defensores Doctrina
 
 158
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 18:46:00 -
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 Just know that they are removing the Current tanks, and in uprising are going to be better tanks. So you the player have to be better at your role... People complain because they suck and cant take on a tank, or lose there tank because they think they are invincible.
 
 
 Anyways you play your role and there will be no problem..
 
 for example- I have proto swarms- and advanced forge guns, But AV isnt my role, I just got these because I got bored.
 
 People run there role and max out whatever... SO you max out AV- proto swarms + proto AV nades your good...
 
 
 Its how the game works... Run your role in the new uprising build...
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        |  GeneralButtNaked
 ZionTCD
 
 349
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 18:52:00 -
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 If you call down a proto tank solo in a pub you are doing it wrong. If forge gunners are getting to you, have your infantry move in and clear them out. If they can't, don't bring tanks down until you can find a real squad.
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        |  Bojo The Mighty
 Bojo's School of the Trades
 
 931
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 19:04:00 -
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 Oh this is rich. By the sounds of it, you want to solo everything in a little can. It sounds like you don't want to make the effort to eliminate threats, rather just have them be so minute that they become negligible. I can agree that AV nades give too much bang for their buck (literally), and in my use of Militia Forges, they are powerful like all forges but slow like the dickens.
 
 So seriously, bring some support, because my LAV can take a forge hit and walk away and my Myron can take 3, so you must be joking when you say two sends a Sagaris running. Also, a blaster does way more DPS than a forge, you should be able to kill them before they get you, so I don't know why you're running from them.....
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        |  Sloth9230
 Reaper Galactic
 
 937
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 19:35:00 -
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 Bojo The Mighty wrote:Oh this is rich. By the sounds of it, you want to solo everything in a little can.  Seriously, It takes me 4-5 matches to pay for my tank, so my tank should be an "I win button for 4-5 matches" is all I heard from the OP.
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        |  Quill Killian
 Better Hide R Die
 
 138
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 19:48:00 -
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 Tanks are weak? BWHAHAHAHA!
 
 Good God, man. I have my swarm launchers at level 3 proficiency, and I still see tanks take four bursts (or more) before exploding into balls of flame. And that's *only* if their drivers are stupid and remain out in the open, instead of scampering around a corner or behind a hill to rebuild their armor/shields.
 
 At any rate, let's see what happens on May 6. Everything will be new again ...
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        |  Corn In TheSkidmark
 Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
 
 110
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 20:19:00 -
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 Tanks are so OP, It's so hard to kill them with my free starter AV fit
 I should be able to take top tier tankers down solo with 3 shots.
 Also the forge gun should have homing capability.
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        |  slypie11
 Planetary Response Organisation
 
 165
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 20:25:00 -
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 Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:Tanks are so OP, It's so hard to kill them with my free starter AV fitI should be able to take top tier tankers down solo with 3 shots.
 Also the forge gun should have homing capability.
 Oh shut up. You don't know what it's like to be on team running full AV and then be continually spawn killed by a tank that can shoot across the map.
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        |  Kane Fyea
 BetaMax.
 CRONOS.
 
 147
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 20:33:00 -
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 Lol going to try to find OP in tank and blow it up with advanced swarms and packed AV grenades.
 
 I see nice salty tears in the future.
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        |  Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
 Planetary Response Organisation
 
 273
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 20:47:00 -
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 The extremely varied responses from the anti-HAV crowd is pretty interesting.
 
 There's a group of people saying what amounts to "If you use a HAV solo you deserve to lose it", because while it's perfectly okay for a dropsuit to be a viable solo option, vehicles must be completely non-viable without the support of a dedicated squad.
 
 On the other end is the "HAVs OP" crowd. Like the guy up above a little ways, upset that he can't take out a HAV with a single magazine of his standard swarm launcher. Turns out that despite the first group making it clear that HAVs must be squad weapons, an AV user should still be able to solo it.
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        |  Sloth9230
 Reaper Galactic
 
 940
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.04.20 21:04:00 -
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 Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:The extremely varied responses from the anti-HAV crowd is pretty interesting. 
 There's a group of people saying what amounts to "If you use a HAV solo you deserve to lose it", because while it's perfectly okay for a dropsuit to be a viable solo option, vehicles must be completely non-viable without the support of a dedicated squad.
 
 On the other end is the "HAVs OP" crowd. Like the guy up above a little ways, upset that he can't take out a HAV with a single magazine of his standard swarm launcher. Turns out that despite the first group making it clear that HAVs must be squad weapons, an AV user should still be able to solo it.
 Right, because 1 guy with AV won't get slaughtered by infantry
  They both need support, and the guy you're talking about was using sarcasm.=
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