DUST Search - Disappointed In CCP's CPM

Caeli SineDeo wrote:

Deadeyes Anterie wrote:

They picked people well known and generally liked by the community to represent the community. It's a safe play, and it also makes a lot of sense. I think the CPM primarily takes our input and gives it to CCP correct? For that job it's a lot more important that you are extremely involved in the community. I don't think driving a tank in game makes you a viable candidate. It might make your input more valuable, but the job of the CPM is to take that input and bring it to CCP.

If players who are trolls or make a name for themselves by pissing off the community in general got elected it would be really harmful for the community. It's probably the reason they picked five [or four depending on who you talk to] people who most people like, and have proved they can manage communities.

Only 3 of the picks I know are great with the community here in dust. These are the safe picks. They agree way to much with CCP and hold much of the same ideology. Which when communicated with the community they will be pulling much of the community thoughts that agree with theirs. Just how people work. They relate with themselves.

I would agreed with having two strong community related reps. But from there I think they should have picked people from different backgrounds in the game.

I am not talking about picking trolls. People known for hating on the forums. Others knowing for being just strait up asses. These are not the type of people I think they should have added.

I am saying they needed to pick people that are better known by players in their backgrounds in the game. May not be well known for relating to the community. But known for speaking up for what they think needs to be fixed in their areas of game play.

This would allow the board to have a more diverse out look on the game and gather intel from different areas.

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Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 363	Posted - 2013.04.20 06:46:00 - [1] - Quote I am going to go with the direct plan of action. CCP's Picks are all IRC buddies with them. This means they did very little to expand out of their comfort zone. Also all skill sets, ideology, and player mechanics cover such a little proportion of the player base. What does this mean. The board is not going to broaden their ideas to much. Why because they are going to be way to agreeable at the get go. Kain, Iron, Nova are all Hardcore community base players. They are hardcore about the community interactions. They play support styles in the game. Jenza is a wanna be hardcore community base player. Han I will go into later. They do not cover the aggressive play style. None of them have a good understanding about vehicle gameplay mechanics. There is also other things they lack to cover. Han should be put as a board advisor not a board member I am sorry. From what it looks like he is on the board to help advise the others and teach him the knowledge he takes from eve board interactions. Now we are done with that. I feel this board is not going to push the limits they are to agreeable to each other in a matter they come from the same back ground. This will not allow for diverse ideas. Where is a well known vehicle player. Slap has put alot of time into test vehicles and gaining statistical information. Noc tempre has done the same. They are respected by the community. But yet CCP fails to grab one of them to gain a broader outlook from the board. I could name countless aggressive style players that hold respect from the community that should be on there. But these people are over looked because all CCP looked at was those who had the close communication to them in IRC. None of them have the track record of simply telling CCP they are messing up. CCP I had a feeling this board was not going to be well put together. And now I see it is not.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 492	Posted - 2013.04.20 06:52:00 - [2] - Quote I have to agree with you sadly. CCP made the safe picks, the easiest of the easy picks. They want to make something groundbreaking but they went straight for the old ideas and people. The CPM candidates picked are all old guard. I would have expected at least one or 2 people who would fight for the new and innovative. All these people are going to do is bring dust to eve and eve to dust, thats not a bad thing but its not all we need. We needed more dust centric people in the CPM.
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens EoN. 436	Posted - 2013.04.20 06:53:00 - [3] - Quote They picked people well known and generally liked by the community to represent the community. It's a safe play, and it also makes a lot of sense. I think the CPM primarily takes our input and gives it to CCP correct? For that job it's a lot more important that you are extremely involved in the community. I don't think driving a tank in game makes you a viable candidate. It might make your input more valuable, but the job of the CPM is to take that input and bring it to CCP. If players who are trolls or make a name for themselves by pissing off the community in general got elected it would be really harmful for the community. It's probably the reason they picked five [or four depending on who you talk to] people who most people like, and have proved they can manage communities.
Mithridates VI DUST 411 874	Posted - 2013.04.20 06:54:00 - [4] - Quote CCP should have chosen at least three of the ReGnUms, the fake DustersBlog account and The dark cloud. I am disappoint.
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2013.04.20 06:59:00 - [5] - Quote You are correct in the sense that they are all a bunch of support players. Nobody on that council represents the interests of Alpha players, but that's ok. This game won't last much longer unless CCP makes some real changes.
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 55	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:00:00 - [6] - Quote I have to make note that this Council is a mock council and they will have to, as one of its focus points, set the bar for the first formal Council. That is to say, for example... they decide that there are various differing categories of players around and would generate position for such categories (Dropsuit Specialists, Pilots, Planet Managers, Community Interaction, you name it). Now, to go outside of that, it seems that you did almost exactly what you denounced. And only mentioned people that you knew or were "comfortable" with. Note that this not make you opinion invalid, just a tad out of place. Give the guys a chance, maybe they could listen to what you denounce and set to make things right for the future.
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:00:00 - [7] - Quote I see them as another form of our beta. They're not mant to fix our lives - just prepare to start the fixing in the future. I think they're agreeable choices CCP found 'safe' to rely on as first candidates without painting the picture of uselessness. You can be sure these guys will listen to your vehicle problems - even if they can't grasp it at your level - and that open communication between them and us is one such hurdle CCP wants these guys to clear for the future so that true specialists can come in and have the groundwork ready for them and they can concentrate on business and their responsibility.
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens EoN. 436	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:03:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: I see them as another form of our beta. They're not mant to fix our lives - just prepare to start the fixing in the future. I think they're agreeable choices CCP found 'safe' to rely on as first candidates without painting the picture of uselessness. You can be sure these guys will listen to your vehicle problems - even if they can't grasp it at your level - and that open communication between them and us is one such hurdle CCP wants these guys to clear for the future so that true specialists can come in and have the groundwork ready for them and they can concentrate on business and their responsibility. Is this your account for posting things that aren't negative
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens EoN. 131	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:05:00 - [9] - Quote I disagree with the whole system. Bunch of bs and chest pumping
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 364	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:06:00 - [10] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: They picked people well known and generally liked by the community to represent the community. It's a safe play, and it also makes a lot of sense. I think the CPM primarily takes our input and gives it to CCP correct? For that job it's a lot more important that you are extremely involved in the community. I don't think driving a tank in game makes you a viable candidate. It might make your input more valuable, but the job of the CPM is to take that input and bring it to CCP. If players who are trolls or make a name for themselves by pissing off the community in general got elected it would be really harmful for the community. It's probably the reason they picked five [or four depending on who you talk to] people who most people like, and have proved they can manage communities. Only 3 of the picks I know are great with the community here in dust. These are the safe picks. They agree way to much with CCP and hold much of the same ideology. Which when communicated with the community they will be pulling much of the community thoughts that agree with theirs. Just how people work. They relate with themselves. I would agreed with having two strong community related reps. But from there I think they should have picked people from different backgrounds in the game. I am not talking about picking trolls. People known for hating on the forums. Others knowing for being just strait up asses. These are not the type of people I think they should have added. I am saying they needed to pick people that are better known by players in their backgrounds in the game. May not be well known for relating to the community. But known for speaking up for what they think needs to be fixed in their areas of game play. This would allow the board to have a more diverse out look on the game and gather intel from different areas.

SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:07:00 - [11] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: I see them as another form of our beta. They're not mant to fix our lives - just prepare to start the fixing in the future. I think they're agreeable choices CCP found 'safe' to rely on as first candidates without painting the picture of uselessness. You can be sure these guys will listen to your vehicle problems - even if they can't grasp it at your level - and that open communication between them and us is one such hurdle CCP wants these guys to clear for the future so that true specialists can come in and have the groundwork ready for them and they can concentrate on business and their responsibility. Is this your account for posting things that aren't negative Saw you go 0/9 in a CB LOL SCRUB - there happy? :P
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 493	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:09:00 - [12] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Deadeyes Anterie wrote: They picked people well known and generally liked by the community to represent the community. It's a safe play, and it also makes a lot of sense. I think the CPM primarily takes our input and gives it to CCP correct? For that job it's a lot more important that you are extremely involved in the community. I don't think driving a tank in game makes you a viable candidate. It might make your input more valuable, but the job of the CPM is to take that input and bring it to CCP. If players who are trolls or make a name for themselves by pissing off the community in general got elected it would be really harmful for the community. It's probably the reason they picked five [or four depending on who you talk to] people who most people like, and have proved they can manage communities. Only 3 of the picks I know are great with the community here in dust. These are the safe picks. They agree way to much with CCP and hold much of the same ideology. Which when communicated with the community they will be pulling much of the community thoughts that agree with theirs. Just how people work. They relate with themselves. I would agreed with having two strong community related reps. But from there I think they should have picked people from different backgrounds in the game. I am not talking about picking trolls. People known for hating on the forums. Others knowing for being just strait up asses. These are not the type of people I think they should have added. I am saying they needed to pick people that are better known by players in their backgrounds in the game. May not be well known for relating to the community. But known for speaking up for what they think needs to be fixed in their areas of game play. This would allow the board to have a more diverse out look on the game and gather intel from different areas. I think we can both agree it was the shallowest of picks possible. They did not dig deep looking for people who might not agree with them but could still present good logical arguments. Its not so much about who was picked, but how no one was picked to be the opposite side if the coin
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens EoN. 437	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:11:00 - [13] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Only 3 of the picks I know are great with the community here in dust. These are the safe picks. They agree way to much with CCP and hold much of the same ideology. Which when communicated with the community they will be pulling much of the community thoughts that agree with theirs. Just how people work. They relate with themselves. I would agreed with having two strong community related reps. But from there I think they should have picked people from different backgrounds in the game. I am not talking about picking trolls. People known for hating on the forums. Others knowing for being just strait up asses. These are not the type of people I think they should have added. I am saying they needed to pick people that are better known by players in their backgrounds in the game. May not be well known for relating to the community. But known for speaking up for what they think needs to be fixed in their areas of game play. This would allow the board to have a more diverse out look on the game and gather intel from different areas. Yeah I see what you are saying. I've watched Free Beers more or less convince CCP to change PC values. As long as CCP doesn't use the council as an excuse to close out the vocal players with solid input I don't really see it as that big of an issue. If they start using the CPM as an excuse to gate themselves from direct player feedback I am in total agreement that who they picked is flawed.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 931	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:13:00 - [14] - Quote Who did you want them to pick, Venom? Pidgey? One of our many Youtube "reviewers"? Maybe they should just go look for random ranters in GD?
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens EoN. 437	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:14:00 - [15] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: [quote=Deadeyes Anterie] Saw you go 0/9 in a CB LOL SCRUB - there happy? :P Lmao now we're talking. I'd probably hang up my controller if I failed to get a kill in a CB.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 51	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:17:00 - [16] - Quote Hows about we just wait and see the fruits of their labors before we start picking up the rocks? :) Isn't this going to be run like the EVE CPM? Won't this in future come down to community votes? This is what I understood. This innitial intake is just to lay the framework of what will come further down the line. If people are not happy about these choices then know that it can and will change in the future...gamers with passion, creativity and vision will surface and it will become clearer as time goes on who will promote positive progress and who won't. The current guys could do a kick ass job, or they'll suck...time will tell, and the community will be watching. :D
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 289	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:20:00 - [17] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: CCP should have chosen at least three of the ReGnUms, the fake DustersBlog account and The dark cloud. I am disappoint. Totally. And CPM 0 will not last long. Next CPM (or first one) will be with elections anyway. Why so serious, guys?
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 840	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:23:00 - [18] - Quote To my knowledge, the entire point of this CPM is to set the format for the future "real" versions of the CPM. I can't speak to anyone else who has chosen Caeli... but I have devoted a great deal of time into exploring nearly every aspect of this game. This does include vehicles of every manner. I spent most of last build specced into tanks, and have all those skills again now even if i started with something different this time around. In cases of people who have devoted more time than I to an aspect of the game, I defer to them when discussing stuff to get their thoughts. (Such as when discussing tanks with Noc and Tiel, which we've done extensively) But that's beside the point. CCP's kind of proven that even the best of suggestions tend to fall on deaf ears if they don't mesh with CCP's plans (Case in Point : Tiel's vehicle balancing proposal was the best thing I've seen so far towards 'fixing' vehicles, and CCP did the exact opposite of what was suggested) You're upset about CCP not choosing representatives for the playerbase. This CPM isn't about representing the playerbase. It's about ensuring that future representation isn't skewed or done in an unfair manner. That's why I'm here, at least. I can't speak for the others.
Mithridates VI DUST 411 874	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:23:00 - [19] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: And CPM 0 will not last long. Next CPM (or first one) will be with elections anyway. Why so serious, guys? Nova Knife, at least, says he's only in the CPM at all because he wants to make sure the future selection process isn't ridiculous. I believe him on that and look forward to seeing what they do with it.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.04.20 10:57:00 - [20] - Quote I agree with that vehicle pilots have no representation at all - its all assualt guys and that can go either 2 ways for use and that is vehicles get ignored while AV gets buffed either way its lose-lose Also Nova and Jenza are the weaklinks by far, they do less than the average forum posted and by being on the IRC its looks like CCP just gave them the red carpet to get in the CPM

Django Quik R.I.f.t 350	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote When are people going to drop their pre-conceptions of what this CPM is for and read the actual posted aims of CCP? CPM0 is a beta body there only very temporarily to help CCP figure out how to make future CPMs representative and productive. They don't need to be representative now - they don't have to be vehicle players or aggressive players or any type of players. They were chosen because of their history of willingness and effort to make the game better and interact with the community. They were picked because they are the most likely people to put in the time and effort required to make future CPMs a success and they are all capable of doing that. Hans' experience with the EvE CSM will go a long way to helping that happen.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:39:00 - [22] - Quote Have to agree on, only Iron Wolf Saber stands out to me. Putting IRC buddies on the CPM looks bad, CCP. like prious said, why is no MAG player on the CPM? they have a unique perspective on what Dust needs to improve. many people don't like them but Kagehoshi and Dustmercs been giving suggestions longer than any of the people here, why werent they considered? Contrabanjoe would have been a good pick too.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3572	Posted - 2013.04.20 12:59:00 - [23] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Who did you want them to pick, Venom? Pidgey? One of our many Youtube "reviewers"? Maybe they should just go look for random ranters in GD? Edit: If someone like Beers was interested in a spot then he'd have my support, but to my knowledge he doesn't. Maybe Noc and Slap too, but not just because they use vehicles, how dafuq is that reason to put them on CMP? Sure, lets just get a Logi, Scout, Heavy, and Assault player in there while we're at it The people on CMP were chosen because of their interactions with the community, not their play styles. I vetted for beers and he declined. He basically said it would have been far more effective if ccp where to have picked me instead and he then he could complain to me. It is true that most CSM members are good at something usually but they really have to rely on the community to get the whole picture. There are over 600 player flyable ships in eve right now, 10,000 modules, thousands of different activities. And out of all that you want a guy that is an alpha at one of those? Any guy that tries to run as an 'heavy' class, or a tank pilot CPM is going to lose I guarantee it. The guy who run for the CPM as a director who manages the entire corp's CP fighting. The guy who arranges for all gear acquisition, the entire team's outfits and role needs for that fight would be far more successful candidate, because he has to consider what game pieces he has and how they fit in the game and how many of those pieces he needs in order for the fight to be successful. As this guy is most likely to know which roles are bench warmers, not worth their biomass no matter how good they are on the field because that role doesn't help win at all. You ask an alpha and all he is going to see is just targets. The director is going to start seeing a broken game.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 156	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:07:00 - [24] - Quote This thread does support or represent the Imperfects / Negative Feedback thoughts in anyway. However, being an institution supported by the pillars of freedom. We believe every member has the right to express themselves. Please post away.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3572	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:16:00 - [25] - Quote A quick jib about myself. I was THE Dropship Pilot back in closed beta. and I am not primarily an assault player, I am an Omni-soldier. I fit to whatever roles are needed on the field. This typically means anti-vehicle these days because most of the blue berries suck at killing tanks and lavs.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD 204	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote who cares who is on this stupiod cpm? all the folks who gargle ccps sack all the time? no big surprise there. folks who don't give negative feedback when it's due? again, no big surprise. who did you think they were gonna hire? i'm the only one who tells the truth around here. they don't wanna hear that stuff. they just want codbois who can breahe through their ears and who have no gag reflex. Peace B
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 107	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:43:00 - [27] - Quote I agree with Iron Wolf. The council needs to be made of of players who have connections and experience within EvE. These members need to know DUST and want the best for DUST but they also need some flight time to bridge the gap. The CSM talks about DUST and sometimes they sound ignorant because they have been a pilot for years and not had anything to do with fps. The complexity of EVE is almost overwhelming and the different types of content a pilot can engage in takes years just to learn the basics. These members need to have this type of experience to help give quality feedback. We would be laughed out to of the room and then have a bounty put on us if we suggested to the CSM some of the game types we have thought of. However, a person who has been in DUST from day one and in EvE for years could word it differently and only get the bounty. There does need to be a couple of non EvE players, this game is a fps and it needs that side of the coin represented by at least 2 active players. I am a casual player on both games and I feel like a casual newer player is needed - if only in a limited role - to help vets see things differently. I like the choices and think the entire team will work to better DUST and EvE. This game is a slow burn and things will not happen fast enough for some players. It is much ea
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 396	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:11:00 - [28] - Quote Honestly, I know a guy who is highly intellectual, has many ideas about bettering DUST, and would be PERFECT for the job, but since he doesn't post here on the forums a lot, and doesn't sit in the IRC, he'd NEVER get the job (even if he wanted it). I don't think we should get to vote on the CPM, but CCP definitely needs to dig a bit deeper than "oh, I talked to him, he seems cool". lol. I mean, I get it, Kain, because he did CCP's job when they couldn't (by hosting a tourney and helping to keep peoples interest in the game alive while CCP played secret squirrel for 5 months) But Caeli has a very strong point. Where is the hardcore FPS guy? wheres the vehicle guy?
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 480	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:19:00 - [29] - Quote I can hear the interviews now. '' do you play EVE, are you going to fanfest '' '' yes '' '' ok you're in '' There are paople I personaly despise as fps players, but they should have been on this joke of dust masonic society club.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3577	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:23:00 - [30] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: Honestly, I know a guy who is highly intellectual, has many ideas about bettering DUST, and would be PERFECT for the job, but since he doesn't post here on the forums a lot, and doesn't sit in the IRC, he'd NEVER get the job (even if he wanted it). I don't think we should get to vote on the CPM, but CCP definitely needs to dig a bit deeper than "oh, I talked to him, he seems cool". lol. I mean, I get it, Kain, because he did CCP's job when they couldn't (by hosting a tourney and helping to keep peoples interest in the game alive while CCP played secret squirrel for 5 months) But Caeli has a very strong point. Where is the hardcore FPS guy? wheres the vehicle guy? He can go run on CPM 1 then. Right now the CPM 0 will be pulling double duty mostly Primary goals are to establish on how our replacements are going to work, terms, number of seats, how you guys are going to vote, conditions for firing a CPM who thought it was going to be all fun and games, answering the odd questions such as the need for ambassadors between the two councils. The list goes on and on and the duty of 'drafting' the constitution is going to be a busy one ontop already existing CPM expected functions. Also why focus on low level features? the entire world is getting shaken up in Uprising, things are massively changing. Balances also changes just about every major patch everyits nearly wasted effort at times other than pointing out something wrong with an entire platform to the point it questions its own existence. You talk about tanks and the sorts, what about the drop-ship? how many of those you see flying these days vs the days of closed beta? Who are your top ace pilots? When was the last time you where absolutely afraid of that drop-ship? Back in closed beta, Murader Tanks ran away from my drop ship, that doesn't really happen anymore.



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