DUST Search - Disappointed In CCP's CPM

Sloth9230 wrote:

Caeli SineDeo wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Sloth9230 wrote:

Who did you want them to pick, Venom? Pidgey? One of our many Youtube "reviewers"? Maybe they should just go look for random ranters in GD?

Edit: If someone like Beers was interested in a spot then he'd have my support, but to my knowledge he doesn't. Maybe Noc and Slap too, but not just because they use vehicles, how dafuq is that reason to put them on CMP? Sure, lets just get a Logi, Scout, Heavy, and Assault player in there while we're at it Roll

The people on CMP were chosen because of their interactions with the community, not their play styles.

I vetted for beers and he declined. Sad

He basically said it would have been far more effective if ccp where to have picked me instead and he then he could complain to me.

It is true that most CSM members are good at something usually but they really have to rely on the community to get the whole picture. There are over 600 player flyable ships in eve right now, 10,000 modules, thousands of different activities. And out of all that you want a guy that is an alpha at one of those?

Any guy that tries to run as an 'heavy' class, or a tank pilot CPM is going to lose I guarantee it.

The guy who run for the CPM as a director who manages the entire corp's CP fighting. The guy who arranges for all gear acquisition, the entire team's outfits and role needs for that fight would be far more successful candidate, because he has to consider what game pieces he has and how they fit in the game and how many of those pieces he needs in order for the fight to be successful.

As this guy is most likely to know which roles are bench warmers, not worth their biomass no matter how good they are on the field because that role doesn't help win at all. You ask an alpha and all he is going to see is just targets. The director is going to start seeing a broken game.

Did I say heavy classs or tank pilot????

Na I said this lacks representation from vehicular game play in a whole. It lacks representation from the aggressive style players that come from hardcore FPS background.

These are both big areas in this game.

Personally I think if they are going to do a CPM they need to do it correct from the get go be willing to take a few risk. You can always drop members off CPM if they make mistakes or are unable to put the time in.

Yes CPM 0 is about getting the ground work set. But you also have to think Dust is still at is most able point mold-able point right now. This means no matter what. CPM 0 is going to be effecting the over all gameplay of dust probably more then any other CPM. So yes I think they need to think outside of the box of the IRC buddies and the passsive few and get some people that might think differently then they do.

You're thinking too small. We don't need a vehicle guy, we need a guy who will take our feedback and do his/her best to get CCP to listen to it. They're jobs extend past whatever their play style is. I agree that they could have picked different people, but not just because they use vehicles or have the best gun game. Lots of experience with FPS games? That is good reason.

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lowratehitman Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 477	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:36:00 - [31] - Quote It is like anything in life, if they have no direct influence in your daily activities they will be out of sight and out of mind. I play everyday of the week in the trenches playing with new players everyday, and it is those peoples opinions that should matter the most....the future.
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 374	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:41:00 - [32] - Quote I think Mavado would have been a good choice, lots of fps experience, competitive experience and vehicle experience. Current selection is meh.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 206	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:47:00 - [33] - Quote The first time I saw Nova Knife in a game after seeing he was elected to the CPM, he was AFK SP farming
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1358	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:18:00 - [34] - Quote while I have to agree with Caeli that ccp went the wrong direction with vehicles in the worst way. I dont think that something cpm0 can change. CCP wants the cpm0 to act like the csm in which is provides HIGH level feedback and help with prioritizing features. It does not want cpm0 members to help tweak the cpu/grid values on a HAV. Thats CCPs jobs and the job of the communty to give feedback. I support this cpm0 group because they are more then capable to do the job CCP will ask them to do. Now if they asked to them help design a new HAV we are all fk'd. The reason I bring up stuff in these forums (God help me for saying this) there are a few smart people here that understand dust. As was shown in my NEW PC idea thread that crowd sourcing yeilds good results. I'll continue to bash ccp when they deserve or offer up ideas for discussion. This doesn't mean I am going soft because I still think you all are a bunch of *** loving * **** * nancy boys that * * *** on tuesdays.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2636	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:21:00 - [35] - Quote It's a beta of the CPM, they're trying to figure out just how it should function and interact with DUST. In the future you will be voting for your CPM members. Chill out.
Baal Omniscient Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 471	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:34:00 - [36] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: CCP should have chosen at least three of the ReGnUms, the fake DustersBlog account and The dark cloud. I am disappoint. .... wipes eyes .... .... +100,000,000
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2561	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:57:00 - [37] - Quote All the people in the CPM0 group are the best people for the "beta" CPM's primary jobs. As mentioned, they mostly play "support" roles rather than being the "frontline" or "alpha" FPS players. They aren't the top-K/D players. They're the ones who make sure the top K/D players are able to get more kills with less deaths. They're the ones who stop the Advanced-fitted players from dying against Protogear, and who make sure that Heavy can keep laying down HMG fire the whole match instead of running out and switching to his SMG then getting killed because he can no longer out-DPS that Shotgun Scout. These are the people we WANT setting up the CPM. They fill the roles which are most important to their WHOLE TEAM while playing, and they're here to establish the CPM as a council that will benefit the entire playerbase. Also, a core priority is for the current CPM to define how we vote for future CPM members. If that job was given to the "alpha" players, they'd make sure it fell back into the hands of themselves and players like them, regardless of what's best for the game. This group is more likely to ensure diversity in the CPM than any other group of players I can think of.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 2055	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:57:00 - [38] - Quote I don't see any problem with this selection. Iron Wolf Saber, Nova Knife, Jenza, etc. are all active members of the forums. I could've joined. In fact, someone here in the forums even recommended me, but I rejected the offer because I felt like I didn't have the time to do those kind of things even though I have been around since closed beta. That and I felt that I'm contributing enough as it is just helping players understand the knifing mechanics and related fittings. I have a question here. For those of you who have a problem with the selection, have you done anything to try to get a spot in the CPM? Did you go on IRC (which anyone can join, TBH)? Are you regularly contributing to the community in terms of knowledge shared, and research you put yourself through? Did you apply for an interview? Etc? Overall, CCP made a safe bet. It may be an easy bet, but it's a safe bet regardless. Besides, these people they selected are some of the most active in the community who seem to understand what they are talking about and the community already knows them by heart and can relate to directly. It would be extremely awkward if they had selected people who were not even well-known in the community which is the key part of being involved with the community. Besides, I don't think I want to be those guys right now because as I understand it they are now responsible for helping CCP figure out how to properly setup a valid voting system for a free-to-play game which is something almost no one here seems to have a universal agreement on. The voting system also has to account for potential exploits and abuse while still making it practical and easy for players to cast a vote for the first-ever CPM elections. Also, please keep in mind that this is not the first time CCP has done this. This is exactly how it was when the CSM first started so many years ago. Players had a disagreement on the selection of the players but failed to realize that what they were seeing is just a preliminary stage of the council. Once the voting system is in place, you can then legitimately decide for yourselves who can be elected. So let's just look past our differences and move on. We need to help these members as much as we can. On top of that, as members of the CPM they are now obligated to work much more closely with the community and communicate much more often with us for ideas. If we don't help them in this critical stage, then we have only ourselves to blame when things don't work out. If we do help them out in every way we can, then we can be proud of ourselves as a community for helping make Dust into a great game. It's up to us now. So don't waste it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2637	Posted - 2013.04.20 16:01:00 - [39] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: So let's just look past our differences and move on. We need to help these members as much as we can. On top of that, as members of the CPM they are now obligated to work much more closely with the community and communicate much more often with us for ideas. If we don't help them in this critical stage, then we have only ourselves to blame when things don't work out. If we do help them out in every way we can, then we can be proud of ourselves as a community for helping make Dust into a great game. It's up to us now. So don't waste it.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 382	Posted - 2013.04.20 16:53:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Who did you want them to pick, Venom? Pidgey? One of our many Youtube "reviewers"? Maybe they should just go look for random ranters in GD? Edit: If someone like Beers was interested in a spot then he'd have my support, but to my knowledge he doesn't. Maybe Noc and Slap too, but not just because they use vehicles, how dafuq is that reason to put them on CMP? Sure, lets just get a Logi, Scout, Heavy, and Assault player in there while we're at it The people on CMP were chosen because of their interactions with the community, not their play styles. I vetted for beers and he declined. He basically said it would have been far more effective if ccp where to have picked me instead and he then he could complain to me. It is true that most CSM members are good at something usually but they really have to rely on the community to get the whole picture. There are over 600 player flyable ships in eve right now, 10,000 modules, thousands of different activities. And out of all that you want a guy that is an alpha at one of those? Any guy that tries to run as an 'heavy' class, or a tank pilot CPM is going to lose I guarantee it. The guy who run for the CPM as a director who manages the entire corp's CP fighting. The guy who arranges for all gear acquisition, the entire team's outfits and role needs for that fight would be far more successful candidate, because he has to consider what game pieces he has and how they fit in the game and how many of those pieces he needs in order for the fight to be successful. As this guy is most likely to know which roles are bench warmers, not worth their biomass no matter how good they are on the field because that role doesn't help win at all. You ask an alpha and all he is going to see is just targets. The director is going to start seeing a broken game. Did I say heavy classs or tank pilot???? Na I said this lacks representation from vehicular game play in a whole. It lacks representation from the aggressive style players that come from hardcore FPS background. These are both big areas in this game. Personally I think if they are going to do a CPM they need to do it correct from the get go be willing to take a few risk. You can always drop members off CPM if they make mistakes or are unable to put the time in. Yes CPM 0 is about getting the ground work set. But you also have to think Dust is still at is most able point mold-able point right now. This means no matter what. CPM 0 is going to be effecting the over all gameplay of dust probably more then any other CPM. So yes I think they need to think outside of the box of the IRC buddies and the passsive few and get some people that might think differently then they do.

crazy space 1 ZionTCD 998	Posted - 2013.04.20 16:56:00 - [41] - Quote I'm Disappointed in these forums, and the thread I'm posting in
Yay Adski Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:05:00 - [42] - Quote Should be people from all backgrounds. Most of those selected probably won't even listen to what you say, I know of at least one who is stubborn as ****.
ALM1GHTY STATIUS Imperfects Negative-Feedback 303	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:09:00 - [43] - Quote Agree with OP we need a hardcore player, why not the best in the game aka Regnum? he's undoubtable the best, highest K/D most kills assault player. Or maybe Protoman.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 383	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:11:00 - [44] - Quote Also for building up the the standards of the CPM. Setting up how meetings are run. Getting the organization done is going to take very little time. I have been involved in so many clubs and have helped start a few. It takes two meetings to get a solid base down. You have someone who is very experienced helping. AKA Han. which will make all these things fly by fast. From there your meetings may cover a few changes here and their but you will have most of your time to spend on other things If you have something that is a heated debate and not going to be decided quickly that week you table it and then go on to other things. People can think about it and next meeting it most likely will go smoothly after you take the motion off the table. The setting up of CPM should not take that long in reality. And you guys should have plenty if time to help influence the over all building of dust.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 218	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:13:00 - [45] - Quote CCP has had a bias toward the IRC crowd from day 1. So many opinions have been overlooked or squashed while the agenda of the no-lifers that can hold up in a chat channel all day. In fact, voicing that opinion in this forum was a deletable offense last Fall. The one victory out of all of this is that Grideris (aka Gridboss) didn't get appointed to anything. Console FPS games deserve Console FPS representation. We need representation of here and now, not Soon(tm). People won't be sticking around for a "Warbarge Cantina" if their guns suck at being guns or the simple task of jumping over a 1 foot obstacle is a burden and frustration. Personally, being represented by people with poor stats in an FPS suggests to me that they don't know what makes a game competitive or engaging for those of us that take Core FPS Mechanics VERY seriously. When a council member is a fan of the worst weapon in the game, the Nova Knife, what type of opinion do you think he has on any other weapon mechanic? On a positive note, Kane and IWS have my respect. The others have yet to earn it.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3587	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:17:00 - [46] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: CCP has had a bias toward the IRC crowd from day 1. So many opinions have been overlooked or squashed while the agenda of the no-lifers that can hold up in a chat channel all day. In fact, voicing that opinion in this forum was a deletable offense last Fall. The one victory out of all of this is that Grideris (aka Gridboss) didn't get appointed to anything. Console FPS games deserve Console FPS representation. We need representation of here and now, not Soon(tm). People won't be sticking around for a "Warbarge Cantina" if their guns suck at being guns or the simple task of jumping over a 1 foot obstacle is a burden and frustration. Personally, being represented by people with poor stats in an FPS suggests to me that they don't know what makes a game competitive or engaging for those of us that take Core FPS Mechanics VERY seriously. When a council member is a fan of the worst weapon in the game, the Nova Knife, what type of opinion do you think he has on any other weapon mechanic? On a positive note, Kane and IWS have my respect. The others have yet to earn it. There is that special adernaline rush you get with the knife. then the withdrawl when you get annoying killed by the game mostly.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 935	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:41:00 - [47] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Who did you want them to pick, Venom? Pidgey? One of our many Youtube "reviewers"? Maybe they should just go look for random ranters in GD? Edit: If someone like Beers was interested in a spot then he'd have my support, but to my knowledge he doesn't. Maybe Noc and Slap too, but not just because they use vehicles, how dafuq is that reason to put them on CMP? Sure, lets just get a Logi, Scout, Heavy, and Assault player in there while we're at it The people on CMP were chosen because of their interactions with the community, not their play styles. I vetted for beers and he declined. He basically said it would have been far more effective if ccp where to have picked me instead and he then he could complain to me. It is true that most CSM members are good at something usually but they really have to rely on the community to get the whole picture. There are over 600 player flyable ships in eve right now, 10,000 modules, thousands of different activities. And out of all that you want a guy that is an alpha at one of those? Any guy that tries to run as an 'heavy' class, or a tank pilot CPM is going to lose I guarantee it. The guy who run for the CPM as a director who manages the entire corp's CP fighting. The guy who arranges for all gear acquisition, the entire team's outfits and role needs for that fight would be far more successful candidate, because he has to consider what game pieces he has and how they fit in the game and how many of those pieces he needs in order for the fight to be successful. As this guy is most likely to know which roles are bench warmers, not worth their biomass no matter how good they are on the field because that role doesn't help win at all. You ask an alpha and all he is going to see is just targets. The director is going to start seeing a broken game. Did I say heavy classs or tank pilot???? Na I said this lacks representation from vehicular game play in a whole. It lacks representation from the aggressive style players that come from hardcore FPS background. These are both big areas in this game. Personally I think if they are going to do a CPM they need to do it correct from the get go be willing to take a few risk. You can always drop members off CPM if they make mistakes or are unable to put the time in. Yes CPM 0 is about getting the ground work set. But you also have to think Dust is still at is most able point mold-able point right now. This means no matter what. CPM 0 is going to be effecting the over all gameplay of dust probably more then any other CPM. So yes I think they need to think outside of the box of the IRC buddies and the passsive few and get some people that might think differently then they do. You're thinking too small. We don't need a vehicle guy, we need a guy who will take our feedback and do his/her best to get CCP to listen to it. They're jobs extend past whatever their play style is. I agree that they could have picked different people, but not just because they use vehicles or have the best gun game. Lots of experience with FPS games? That is good reason.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3588	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:44:00 - [48] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Who did you want them to pick, Venom? Pidgey? One of our many Youtube "reviewers"? Maybe they should just go look for random ranters in GD? Edit: If someone like Beers was interested in a spot then he'd have my support, but to my knowledge he doesn't. Maybe Noc and Slap too, but not just because they use vehicles, how dafuq is that reason to put them on CMP? Sure, lets just get a Logi, Scout, Heavy, and Assault player in there while we're at it The people on CMP were chosen because of their interactions with the community, not their play styles. I vetted for beers and he declined. He basically said it would have been far more effective if ccp where to have picked me instead and he then he could complain to me. It is true that most CSM members are good at something usually but they really have to rely on the community to get the whole picture. There are over 600 player flyable ships in eve right now, 10,000 modules, thousands of different activities. And out of all that you want a guy that is an alpha at one of those? Any guy that tries to run as an 'heavy' class, or a tank pilot CPM is going to lose I guarantee it. The guy who run for the CPM as a director who manages the entire corp's CP fighting. The guy who arranges for all gear acquisition, the entire team's outfits and role needs for that fight would be far more successful candidate, because he has to consider what game pieces he has and how they fit in the game and how many of those pieces he needs in order for the fight to be successful. As this guy is most likely to know which roles are bench warmers, not worth their biomass no matter how good they are on the field because that role doesn't help win at all. You ask an alpha and all he is going to see is just targets. The director is going to start seeing a broken game. Did I say heavy classs or tank pilot???? Na I said this lacks representation from vehicular game play in a whole. It lacks representation from the aggressive style players that come from hardcore FPS background. These are both big areas in this game. Personally I think if they are going to do a CPM they need to do it correct from the get go be willing to take a few risk. You can always drop members off CPM if they make mistakes or are unable to put the time in. Yes CPM 0 is about getting the ground work set. But you also have to think Dust is still at is most able point mold-able point right now. This means no matter what. CPM 0 is going to be effecting the over all gameplay of dust probably more then any other CPM. So yes I think they need to think outside of the box of the IRC buddies and the passsive few and get some people that might think differently then they do. You're thinking too small. We don't need a vehicle guy, we need a guy who will take our feedback and do his/her best to get CCP to listen to it. They're jobs extend past whatever their play style is. I agree that they could have picked different people, but not just because they use vehicles or have the best gun game. Lots of experience with FPS games? That is good reason. I am old enough to have seen the invention of first person shooters. I remember when they added actual aiming up and down!
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 2060	Posted - 2013.04.20 18:07:00 - [49] - Quote @Iron Wolf Saber Doom? XD
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3590	Posted - 2013.04.20 18:13:00 - [50] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Iron Wolf Saber Doom? XD Doom has fake up and down, all you have to do is point and make sure they're up or down of where you aim in the center. Rise of the triad required you to be somewhat on the same height as the target. It also had destroyable vases! However didn't enjoy ROT as much as I did Descent!

Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 2060	Posted - 2013.04.20 18:16:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Iron Wolf Saber Doom? XD It also had destroyable vases! OMG That is so revolutionary. Broken vases? Who da thunk it?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3590	Posted - 2013.04.20 18:18:00 - [52] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Iron Wolf Saber Doom? XD It also had destroyable vases! OMG That is so revolutionary. Broken vases? Who da thunk it? It was! no other shooter heavily advertised had breakable things before ROT did I think.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1260	Posted - 2013.04.20 18:26:00 - [53] - Quote I'll have to agree with you While Kain and Iron were good picks, I haven't seen anything from Nova Knife in months, Jenza was another one that we barely hear from, and I have no idea who the hell hans is.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 102	Posted - 2013.04.20 19:33:00 - [54] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: CCP has had a bias toward the IRC crowd from day 1. So many opinions have been overlooked or squashed while the agenda of the no-lifers that can hold up in a chat channel all day. In fact, voicing that opinion in this forum was a deletable offense last Fall. The one victory out of all of this is that Grideris (aka Gridboss) didn't get appointed to anything. Console FPS games deserve Console FPS representation. We need representation of here and now, not Soon(tm). People won't be sticking around for a "Warbarge Cantina" if their guns suck at being guns or the simple task of jumping over a 1 foot obstacle is a burden and frustration. Personally, being represented by people with poor stats in an FPS suggests to me that they don't know what makes a game competitive or engaging for those of us that take Core FPS Mechanics VERY seriously. When a council member is a fan of the worst weapon in the game, the Nova Knife, what type of opinion do you think he has on any other weapon mechanic? On a positive note, Kane and IWS have my respect. The others have yet to earn it. I just got onto IRC today cause I wanted to see what it was all about. I am really hoping that it doesn't turn out to be like my experience with Jabber. I couldn't stand that, a bunch of elitist pricks circlejerking about how cool they were, occasionally chit-chatting about all of the "peasants" and bitching about timers. Don't get me wrong, there were some decent people there, just not enough of them. There should be no room for elitism in the beta, everyone is here to help squash bugs and provide ideas to enhance the game. No one should expect respect to be given to them without them reciprocating. I really hope IRC doesn't leave me with the same feeling as Jabber. EDIT: As for the CPM, I'll wait to judge until I see more from them.
Yay Adski Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2013.04.20 19:57:00 - [55] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'll have to agree with you While Kain and Iron were good picks, I haven't seen anything from Nova Knife in months, Jenza was another one that we barely hear from, and I have no idea who the hell hans is. Basically IRC guys.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3590	Posted - 2013.04.20 20:01:00 - [56] - Quote Yay Adski wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'll have to agree with you While Kain and Iron were good picks, I haven't seen anything from Nova Knife in months, Jenza was another one that we barely hear from, and I have no idea who the hell hans is. Basically IRC guys. Jenza is not that vocal on IRC, you're more likely to catch her on dust 514.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD 204	Posted - 2013.04.20 22:04:00 - [57] - Quote "As mentioned, they mostly play "support" roles rather than being the "frontline" or "alpha" FPS players" oh so the camp snipers got picked? explains a lot Peace B
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3590	Posted - 2013.04.20 22:14:00 - [58] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: "As mentioned, they mostly play "support" roles rather than being the "frontline" or "alpha" FPS players" oh so the camp snipers got picked? explains a lot Peace B No I'm the guy stabbing them with nova knives! :D
AnALogginS S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:47:00 - [59] - Quote This game is ruined.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1474	Posted - 2013.05.08 09:20:00 - [60] - Quote AnALogginS wrote: This game is ruined. Explicitly not the CPM's fault... this time.



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