I like hans even if he hates me

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/dust-514-council-of-planetary-management-1/

Not naming any names but i feel as tho one of these people need to prove themselves they should be apart of this group. They have been known to take things wayyyy too seriously and often don't provide anything for their community. Past podcasts revealed this person to be unresponsive to discussions and very unreliable. This isn't a "i hate you message" but more of a "if you are trying to be apart of something this important then you need to show us you can put forth something greater".

Many of you who read this wont understand what im talking about, but the vets that do......you all understand.

Imperfects will be releasing a statement on who we approve.

Imperfects will be releasing a statement on who we approve.

Well it can't be me, I am not mentioned on dust 514 related pod casts and only been in one so far. I wonder how that other guy feels though.

hell half the CPM are AFKers lol

hell half the CPM are AFKers lol

hell half the CPM are AFKers lol

hell half the CPM are AFKers lol

That means these people see potential for this game and want it to reach the potential, but since the game at its CURRENT STATE sucks balls they can AFK farm while doing other things.

They don't want to be behind the curve, I'm already slapping myself for not playing for a month and being 2-3mil behind other people.

That means these people see potential for this game and want it to reach the potential, but since the game at its CURRENT STATE sucks balls they can AFK farm while doing other things.

They don't want to be behind the curve, I'm already slapping myself for not playing for a month and being 2-3mil behind other people.

i dont have a thing for AFKers i think its funny, but i will hardly AFK myself i care for my w/l too much. i blame CCP for AFKers over anything tho not the players. Now i will blame a lose on the scrubs who go 0-10 and 1-8 with 0-350 wp. They are total ****

Tell me about it, stopped playing and feel so far behind on SP.

Dust 514 seems to lose my attention after a week of dedicated play though and I just stray to other games.

If I didn't stop playing I'd have probably 5.5mil SP (No Boosters), only have 4mil though

Hate to break it to you.

But Skirm isn't counting stats.

I don't agree with some of the CPM's. But I don't think they will be taken off because it would make the dust ppl who picked them look bad, unless someone makes a petition about someone and a lot of people sign it.

I don't agree with some of the CPM's. But I don't think they will be taken off because it would make the dust ppl who picked them look bad, unless someone makes a petition about someone and a lot of people sign it.

I don't agree with some of the CPM's. But I don't think they will be taken off because it would make the dust ppl who picked them look bad, unless someone makes a petition about someone and a lot of people sign it.

Lucky turds though, getting to go to Fanfest

The jelly is quite strong in this one.

Thought the same myself too.

Even though there is a few I'm not quite fond of, the others that I do like more than make up for it.

kain is a dirty imp. no idea why they would have picked him

Nah, hes cool.

Obviously picked him for his tournies and stuff and how he gives his free time to do events like those for the community.

But, I assume you already know that, because you are an Imp

Don't mean i have to like the dude

LOL at people thinking that the CPM is going to help CCP " shape the future of DUST 514 ".

LOL at people thinking that the CPM is going to help CCP " shape the future of DUST 514 ".

See that corp name under neath your avatar? Yeah that's our fault, and I regret it a small bit for causing that to happen but what is done is done.

kain is a dirty imp. no idea why they would have picked him

Pretty sure IWS kicked you in the kitty box

Let me translate IWS: CCP had no intentions of introducing corps into dust514 at release. The players of closed beta pushed CCP to make it a priority. Thus players like IWS helped "shape the future of dust".

Holy crap, CCP were actually going to do that?

CCP needs to get their priorities straightened out.

I consider myself somewhat unlucky going to fan fest. A week's worth of college being missed and having able to work on. Its beginning to burn me out and I fear I may have to do some school work during the entire trip. Then soon as I get back Finals.

Nah, hes cool.

Well at least I do not afk-leech, if I do afk its because something is happening in RL and its typically in a place where I could get killed. Been a few times I get kicked because it took longer than I thought.

hell half the CPM are AFKers lol

This is one of the reasons you have my respect. This shows you respect your opponents enough to actually fight.

AS far a I am concerned anyone on the CPM that is an afker is a chump that does not represent me or the Majority of the community since they are leeches not competitors. To be called a competitor you must compete. I hope you bring this afk problem up as something that must be fixed asap since it is a blight on this game no different than the SP farming the Warriors corp did. Many of today's afk'ers called the Warriors corp members scrubs and cheats for SP farming and they are now doing the EXACT same thing in a little different way.

People need to chill out. If you are unhappy with the current memmbers then just remember that this is just an innitial intake of what CCP called a beta version of the CPM for DUST 514. If this is to be a democratic thing moving forward, where the community will vote in the members, then those who aren't fit for the role will be weeded out.

I am unhappy with the current members of the CPM. But not from a perspective that calls into question their capabilities to perform the role since I believe the individuals chosen are capable. My beef extends from the fact that I believe CCP is showing favoritism.

And make no mistake, favoritism IS being shown:

Kain Spero, former member of Betamax.
Ironwolf, member of Betamax.
jenza aranda, ceo of Betamax.
Hans Jagerblizten, former member of Betamax.

Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me

Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be

Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it

I like I said above, this CPM is not about representing anyone. This CPM is to figure out how the CPM is going to work in the future. Don't worry, they're not going to have any effect on your precious vehicles/dropsuits/weapons/equipment/anything you use in game.

Edit - also, when was the last time you hosted a special event or put out a widely listened to podcast with interviews of CCP staff?

1 podcast show and thats it, it barely doing owt, being a radio presenter if that - how about writing down ideas and reporting bugs? oh sorry they dont do that

Also by the sound of that blog it does soundlike they will have an impact on the game itself in some form

Nope. They're only there very temporarily. Any effect they have on the game will have to happen so quickly that they likely won't have time to do it. They've got at best a few months and will have to use that time to work out the future of CPMs.

Also, you've not said what more you apparently do than those people. Ideas and bug reporting make you no more qualified to figure out how to run a productive CPM than anyone else.

At least i play the game and know what im talking about

We came to the conclusion that the best group of people to help design the future of this player run organization was the players themselves.

Pssh, the CPM is as much of a joke as all of the CSMs. Just some big-time corp CEOs who 'take part in the community' by pulling off whatever grabs the most publicity, but never actually do anything past that.

Iron Wolf Saber is about the only one on there that I think would honestly give a damn about anyone's opinion that isn't in his particular circle, and even then I don't know him well enough to confirm that.

The rest of them are self-serving and you can see that much by how they convey themselves on the forums 90% of the time.

Two corporate honchos, one website blogger and a former CSM member. Yeah, can totally see the issues that I'm concerned about getting reported. Not to mention what Fuzzy pointed out about them all being Betamax affiliates.

Can't wait to see this game turn into: Eve Online, now with more Power Blocs!


EDIT: Oh, and for anyone saying that "CCP won't give them special treatment", I'm sure we Eve veterans remember the CCP Scandal with BoB receiving T2 BPOs (Sabre). Of course, when I look for the dev blog now, the damned thing has been removed. Fact being, this is a different team - so who knows where the boundaries lie at current. Happens once, bound to happen again.

If this where to happen I will break the NDA. CCP knows I can use it as a weapon too.

I like hans even if he hates me

Only problem I have is that there all eve players

I am unhappy with the current members of the CPM. But not from a perspective that calls into question their capabilities to perform the role since I believe the individuals chosen are capable. My beef extends from the fact that I believe CCP is showing favoritism.

And make no mistake, favoritism IS being shown:

Kain Spero, former member of Betamax.
Ironwolf, member of Betamax.
jenza aranda, ceo of Betamax.
Hans Jagerblizten, former member of Betamax.

"Oh but its okay! CCP can appoint the CPM because we are in beta!" I call bull****. The fact that we are in a beta is in "title" anyway. People are paying real money into this game, an attribute not shared with the every day run of the muck "beta." It is generally known and accepted by the player base (at least by the bitter vets) that Dust 514 being considered a beta is just an excuse for why it has remained in the current dreary state it is in.

The fact is that Dust 514 is diverse with multiple cultures being represented. You have the hardcore fpsers, like those that came form MAG. You also have current and veteran New Eden denizens. You also have the casual new player that picked up the game (I mean beta, even though its marketed with: "download full game"). Are all the aforementioned cultures being represented by the appointed CPM?

Why the favoritism? I have a theory. "God forbid CCP choose individuals associated with Goons or TEST for CPM!" Because we all know that if they went in that direction, all the "non-veteran New Eden pubbies" may perceive that as favoritism towards Goons; given to them from CCP on a silver platter. Say it isn't so! And for what? Fear. Fear that Dust 514 won't get up off the ground because the pubbies would get their toes stepped on and lose steam for this game. Fear that showing any additional good will to Goons or TEST (in Dust 514) will cause the pubbies to gain "why bother" syndrome. ("Why bother, if we are only going to get stomped by Goons and TEST in the end. Oh hell, CCP keeps giving them more and more attention, we won't last a chance!")

I understand CCP's decision making for the CPM, contrary to what other's may claim. But the bottom line is this: Don't forget that Dust 514 is made up of diverse groups and cultures. Don't forget that the CPM should represent the entire Dust 514 player base and not a select (and pandered to) few.

And most of all, don't forget those of us that helped make New Eden great in the first place; those of us that intend to continue on doing just that...

There are lots of others that would have been good for the cpm too. I just dont think there is a reason to pick a Goon/TEST rep because of what they are in EvE.

There are lots of others that would have been good for the cpm too. I just dont think there is a reason to pick a Goon/TEST rep because of what they are in EvE.

Well at least I do not afk-leech, if I do afk its because something is happening in RL and its typically in a place where I could get killed. Been a few times I get kicked because it took longer than I thought.

The BoB fiasco looms over this story. I would have each candidate actually create a resume while leaving the name section BLANK and have the community select the person who they believe has the most creds.

On that note vote Pink Fluff!
Resume ~ I Play eve
Things that I have done ~ Played eve for 10 years now
Things I will do ~ Play eve some more.
Things I can do ~ I speak multiple languages
Things I wont do ~ Actual work

But on the most part good luck with the initial WC.

Cry me a river, boys. So you don't like the council, I'm shocked.

So here's how its going to work. Regardless of what you may think of us, or whether we're "hardcore" enough for you, you have two options:

1.) Give us the benefit of the doubt, stop recycling the bullhonkey and trying to stir up drama, and reach out to your representatives (whether you approve of them or not)

2.) Ignore us, and let us do whatever we want with CCP. In this case, you not only lose out on your voice with them, you lose out on the ability to influence Dust's development (Naysayers can go get an education about what the CPM will be capable over here), but most importantly - you'll lose your right to ***** and moan about what comes down the pike.

I have little interest in sitting around telling CCP how to develop the game. I have great interest in telling them how YOU want the game developed. I've spent the last year going toe-to-toe against CCP on a wide variety of issues, and I've served players in EVE from many different background vastly different from my own. Why? Because they didn't act like a bunch of crybabies, and sacked up and came to the CSM anyways with their issues and got results.

I'm sure there will be many more threads like this, and I pretty much plan to ignore them the rest of the term. They're a waste of our time, they're a waste of your time, and a waste of CCP's time. If you want to make a difference, move to a constructive thread or write us a mail with your feedback, your questions for us to ask the devs.

I'm also available all day long on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen is the name. I have all the time in the world to discuss Dust514 and how we can get it on the right track. I have zero time for the hand-wringing, hair-pulling, tinfoil, skepticism, or blatant ignorance about the council, its responsibilities, and the past successes of the CSM. So grow up, get to work, and get back in the game - and if you're unhappy with the roster, step up to the plate and run once we've set up proper elections.

Believe me guys - this is not my first rodeo, and you're hardly the first bunch of sad pandas trying to Nostradamus my failure. I look forward to torpedoing your misconceptions in the coming months the way I have my detractors in EVE all last year.

o7

See, here's the problem Hans...

CSM 7 didn't listen. To anyone. About anything. Maybe their own corporations/alliances but beyond that the only time the CSM ever came out of hiding was to pull this number:

Two step wrote:

No

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213947

Seriously, the CSM complains about CSM members not talking or doing anything while at the summits so they go through this entire facade of putting together some bullshit system that makes it to where only a limited number of CSM members from CSM 8 can go to the summits....


... and then doesn't even explain their reasoning/answers when they decline player opinions! It's not your job to weigh whether or not you like the idea and discuss it with CCP if it suits you, you're supposed to show some form of neutrality as A REPRESENTATIVE.

So yeah, torpedo our misconceptions - have at it - make yourself look WORSE because it doesn't get much worse than absolutely failing at the only job that could literally be described as "middle man".

You want to do right by the community? Speak on the community's behalf. Do something for the community. Don't just play the game to hit your SP cap and then be done with it so that when something you -do- like comes around you're prepared for it, and don't play the role of 'representative' if the only ideals you're going to represent are your own.

I can't even count how many times the CSM has outright lied their way through the voting process when discussing concepts and ideas with players just so that they get a vote, and the fact that you didn't get elected and that you were CHOSEN just goes to show that you must really advertise yourself.

Why do I say this? Because the only issues you've commented on were Forge Guns and Active SP.

Do something with your role. Don't ride it out. It's not hourly wages.

Edit: Also, who the **** approved the Gallente Battleship changes?! They all got out-right MURDERED, as if flying Gallente wasn't a death sentence to begin with.

Imperfects will be releasing a statement on who we approve.

To be completely honest with you guys, that will only make things MUCH MUCH worse, if you really do care about that.

(Stuff)

So, I ask it yet again, who the hell are these people representing?

I will tell you one thing, if we do screw up then you have the right to be more angry.

"-a group of selected delegates from the playerbase to meet with developers and discuss issues and topics of importance to both the playerbase and the future of the universe that would grow to become the EVE Online we know today."