DUST Search - Issue with one of the appointed CPM

Django Quik wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me

Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be

Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it

I like I said above, this CPM is not about representing anyone. This CPM is to figure out how the CPM is going to work in the future. Don't worry, they're not going to have any effect on your precious vehicles/dropsuits/weapons/equipment/anything you use in game.

Edit - also, when was the last time you hosted a special event or put out a widely listened to podcast with interviews of CCP staff?

1 podcast show and thats it, it barely doing owt, being a radio presenter if that - how about writing down ideas and reporting bugs? oh sorry they dont do that

Also by the sound of that blog it does soundlike they will have an impact on the game itself in some form

Nope. They're only there very temporarily. Any effect they have on the game will have to happen so quickly that they likely won't have time to do it. They've got at best a few months and will have to use that time to work out the future of CPMs.

Also, you've not said what more you apparently do than those people. Ideas and bug reporting make you no more qualified to figure out how to run a productive CPM than anyone else.

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3555	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:16:00 - [31] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: LOL at people thinking that the CPM is going to help CCP " shape the future of DUST 514 ". See that name under neath your avatar? Yeah that's our fault.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 349	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:19:00 - [32] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: LOL at people thinking that the CPM is going to help CCP " shape the future of DUST 514 ". Lol at people who think the CPM is going to ruin Dust and get CCP to give them all the dev hacks and special items to kill the world with.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1350	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:20:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BMSTUBBY wrote: LOL at people thinking that the CPM is going to help CCP " shape the future of DUST 514 ". See that corp name under neath your avatar? Yeah that's our fault, and I regret it a small bit for causing that to happen but what is done is done. Pretty sure IWS kicked you in the kitty box Let me translate IWS: CCP had no intentions of introducing corps into dust514 at release. The players of closed beta pushed CCP to make it a priority. Thus players like IWS helped "shape the future of dust".
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 218	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:24:00 - [34] - Quote I'm happy with Kain as he represents the elite player base. As much as I disagree with Iron Wolf's view of the state of this game, I think he's a great resource for the council. My opinion of the others is either non existent or negative.
Lasarte Ioni Noob Gaming 86	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:24:00 - [35] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Vethosis wrote: I don't agree with some of the CPM's. But I don't think they will be taken off because it would make the dust ppl who picked them look bad, unless someone makes a petition about someone and a lot of people sign it. Lucky turds though, getting to go to Fanfest The jelly is quite strong in this one. Thought the same myself too. Even though there is a few I'm not quite fond of, the others that I do like more than make up for it. kain is a dirty imp. no idea why they would have picked him Don't underestimate the power of ReGnUM when he is on his PR suit, he totally got CCP w his PR campaing
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 187	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:33:00 - [36] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BMSTUBBY wrote: LOL at people thinking that the CPM is going to help CCP " shape the future of DUST 514 ". See that corp name under neath your avatar? Yeah that's our fault, and I regret it a small bit for causing that to happen but what is done is done. Pretty sure IWS kicked you in the kitty box Let me translate IWS: CCP had no intentions of introducing corps into dust514 at release. The players of closed beta pushed CCP to make it a priority. Thus players like IWS helped "shape the future of dust". Holy crap, CCP were actually going to do that? CCP needs to get their priorities straightened out.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1351	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:47:00 - [37] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Holy crap, CCP were actually going to do that? CCP needs to get their priorities straightened out. You should have been around when we found out about it. Pretty sure half of closed beta players quit that week. Ah the good old days of 35 people on dust at one time
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 267	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:52:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I consider myself somewhat unlucky going to fan fest. A week's worth of college being missed and having able to work on. Its beginning to burn me out and I fear I may have to do some school work during the entire trip. Then soon as I get back Finals. Liar lol. You are going to be pubcrawling. I can smell BS from here. Good luck with finals
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN 63	Posted - 2013.04.19 22:19:00 - [39] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Free Beers wrote: kain is a dirty imp. no idea why they would have picked him Nah, hes cool. Last time a played on the same team with him he was doing everything he could to make our team lose. **** that team killing prick.
charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 188	Posted - 2013.04.20 03:15:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: hell half the CPM are AFKers lol Well at least I do not afk-leech, if I do afk its because something is happening in RL and its typically in a place where I could get killed. Been a few times I get kicked because it took longer than I thought. This is one of the reasons you have my respect. This shows you respect your opponents enough to actually fight. AS far a I am concerned anyone on the CPM that is an afker is a chump that does not represent me or the Majority of the community since they are leeches not competitors. To be called a competitor you must compete. I hope you bring this afk problem up as something that must be fixed asap since it is a blight on this game no different than the SP farming the Warriors corp did. Many of today's afk'ers called the Warriors corp members scrubs and cheats for SP farming and they are now doing the EXACT same thing in a little different way.

THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 51	Posted - 2013.04.20 03:59:00 - [41] - Quote People need to chill out. If you are unhappy with the current memmbers then just remember that this is just an innitial intake of what CCP called a beta version of the CPM for DUST 514. If this is to be a democratic thing moving forward, where the community will vote in the members, then those who aren't fit for the role will be weeded out.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 51	Posted - 2013.04.20 05:38:00 - [42] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: hell half the CPM are AFKers lol Doomed, we're all DOOMED! Just kidding. I'll give them all the benefit of the doubt. Assuming things sour later we can then parcel out whom to blame. For now, good luck guys.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2013.04.20 07:49:00 - [43] - Quote charlesnette dalari wrote: This is one of the reasons you have my respect. This shows you respect your opponents enough to actually fight. AS far a I am concerned anyone on the CPM that is an afker is a chump that does not represent me or the Majority of the community since they are leeches not competitors. To be called a competitor you must compete. I hope you bring this afk problem up as something that must be fixed asap since it is a blight on this game no different than the SP farming the Warriors corp did. Many of today's afk'ers called the Warriors corp members scrubs and cheats for SP farming and they are now doing the EXACT same thing in a little different way. If most of us didn't AFK every so often then "Players" like yourself would never be able to "Compete" :P Just be glad our generosity knows no bounds on that 1 magical day a week we grace you with our presence as Statues to remind you who to look up to, and take up that Player Slot in order to force you all to Get Good against all odds. I'll see you next Wednesday where I will be sittin' on da toilet whilst you fap to the radient glory of my Avatar & donate Grenades of Futility in honor & glory, AMEN :)
Fuzzy Jello Immobile Infantry 0	Posted - 2013.04.20 09:33:00 - [44] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: People need to chill out. If you are unhappy with the current memmbers then just remember that this is just an innitial intake of what CCP called a beta version of the CPM for DUST 514. If this is to be a democratic thing moving forward, where the community will vote in the members, then those who aren't fit for the role will be weeded out. I am unhappy with the current members of the CPM. But not from a a perspective that calls into question their capabilities to perform the role since I believe the individuals chosen are capable. My beef extends from the fact that I believe CCP is showing favoritism. And make no mistake, favoritism IS being shown: Kain Spero, former member of Betamax. Ironwolf, member of Betamax. jenza aranda, ceo of Betamax. Hans Jagerblizten, former member of Betamax. "Oh but its okay! CCP can appoint the CPM because we are in beta!" I call bull****. The fact that we are in a beta is in "title" anyway. People are paying real money into this game, an attribute not shared with the every day run of the muck "beta." It is generally known and accepted by the player base (at least by the bitter vets) that Dust 514 being considered a beta is just an excuse for why it has remained in the current dreary state it is in. The fact is that Dust 514 is diverse with multiple cultures being represented. You have the hardcore fpsers, like those that came form MAG. You also have current and veteran New Eden denizens. You also have the casual new player that picked up the game (I mean beta, even though its marketed with: "download full game"). Are all the aforementioned cultures being represented by the appointed CPM? Why the favoritism? I have a theory. "God forbid CCP choose individuals associated with Goons or TEST for CPM!" Because we all know that if they went in that direction, all the "non-veteran New Eden pubbies" may perceive that as favoritism towards Goons; given to them from CCP on a silver platter. Say it isn't so! And for what? Fear. Fear that Dust 514 won't get up off the ground because the pubbies would get their toes stepped on and lose steam for this game. Fear that showing any additional good will to Goons or TEST (in Dust 514) will cause the pubbies to gain "why bother" syndrome. ("Why bother, if we are only going to get stomped by Goons and TEST in the end. Oh hell, CCP keeps giving them more and more attention, we won't last a chance!") I understand CCP's decision making for the CPM, contrary to what other's may claim. But the bottom line is this: Don't forget that Dust 514 is made up of diverse groups and cultures. Don't forget that the CPM should represent the entire Dust 514 player base and not a select (and pandered to) few. And most of all, don't forget those of us that helped make New Eden great in the first place; those of us that intend to continue on doing just that...
General Hornet Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 27	Posted - 2013.04.20 10:05:00 - [45] - Quote Wow betamax must have been OP at one point lol.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 350	Posted - 2013.04.20 10:30:00 - [46] - Quote Fuzzy Jello wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: People need to chill out. If you are unhappy with the current memmbers then just remember that this is just an innitial intake of what CCP called a beta version of the CPM for DUST 514. If this is to be a democratic thing moving forward, where the community will vote in the members, then those who aren't fit for the role will be weeded out. I am unhappy with the current members of the CPM. But not from a perspective that calls into question their capabilities to perform the role since I believe the individuals chosen are capable. My beef extends from the fact that I believe CCP is showing favoritism. And make no mistake, favoritism IS being shown: Kain Spero, former member of Betamax. Ironwolf, member of Betamax. jenza aranda, ceo of Betamax. Hans Jagerblizten, former member of Betamax. What does it matter what corps they're in or have been in? I've said it before and I expect I'll have to say it again and again and again - what do you think the CPM is going to do? How is being in CPM going to affect their corps? Will they somehow be able to convince CCP to give them special unbeatable ingame items or abilities? No. Why would it matter even if they all came from the exact same corp? This CPM isn't there to 'represent the playerbase'. If you read anything about the aims of CCP with this first beta CPM, you'd know they are there to figure out how to make the CPM effective and how to implement the new CPMs in the future. As you said, all the people chosen are perfectly capable of doing the job. They are very very temporary. They were chosen because they have experience of the EvE CSM and have shown a great willingness to get involved with and better the Dust player experience through their events, forum posts, podcasts, etc. I'd be more distrurbed if CCP had taken corp affiliation or not into account whatsoever when picking these people because it should be entirely based on who's best for the job. If anyone had ever shown any sort of willingness to abuse their position in bias towards their corp, they wouldn't have been considered best for the job. I really hope this is taken into serious consideration when CPM0 is working out how to get CPM1 appointed.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.04.20 10:44:00 - [47] - Quote Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it
Django Quik R.I.f.t 350	Posted - 2013.04.20 10:50:00 - [48] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it I like I said above, this CPM is not about representing anyone. This CPM is to figure out how the CPM is going to work in the future. Don't worry, they're not going to have any effect on your precious vehicles/dropsuits/weapons/equipment/anything you use in game. Edit - also, when was the last time you hosted a special event or put out a widely listened to podcast with interviews of CCP staff?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:07:00 - [49] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it I like I said above, this CPM is not about representing anyone. This CPM is to figure out how the CPM is going to work in the future. Don't worry, they're not going to have any effect on your precious vehicles/dropsuits/weapons/equipment/anything you use in game. Edit - also, when was the last time you hosted a special event or put out a widely listened to podcast with interviews of CCP staff? 1 podcast show and thats it, it barely doing owt, being a radio presenter if that - how about writing down ideas and reporting bugs? oh sorry they dont do that Also by the sound of that blog it does soundlike they will have an impact on the game itself in some form
Django Quik R.I.f.t 350	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:15:00 - [50] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Django Quik wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it I like I said above, this CPM is not about representing anyone. This CPM is to figure out how the CPM is going to work in the future. Don't worry, they're not going to have any effect on your precious vehicles/dropsuits/weapons/equipment/anything you use in game. Edit - also, when was the last time you hosted a special event or put out a widely listened to podcast with interviews of CCP staff? 1 podcast show and thats it, it barely doing owt, being a radio presenter if that - how about writing down ideas and reporting bugs? oh sorry they dont do that Also by the sound of that blog it does soundlike they will have an impact on the game itself in some form Nope. They're only there very temporarily. Any effect they have on the game will have to happen so quickly that they likely won't have time to do it. They've got at best a few months and will have to use that time to work out the future of CPMs. Also, you've not said what more you apparently do than those people. Ideas and bug reporting make you no more qualified to figure out how to run a productive CPM than anyone else.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:17:00 - [51] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Django Quik wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Nova Knife and Jenza Aranda, espc Jenza need to prove ther worth because in general they do less than me Other than that im suprised at how many got picked and it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be Only big problem is that vehicle users have no vehicle representaion and its just Assualt ppl but the looks of it I like I said above, this CPM is not about representing anyone. This CPM is to figure out how the CPM is going to work in the future. Don't worry, they're not going to have any effect on your precious vehicles/dropsuits/weapons/equipment/anything you use in game. Edit - also, when was the last time you hosted a special event or put out a widely listened to podcast with interviews of CCP staff? 1 podcast show and thats it, it barely doing owt, being a radio presenter if that - how about writing down ideas and reporting bugs? oh sorry they dont do that Also by the sound of that blog it does soundlike they will have an impact on the game itself in some form Nope. They're only there very temporarily. Any effect they have on the game will have to happen so quickly that they likely won't have time to do it. They've got at best a few months and will have to use that time to work out the future of CPMs. Also, you've not said what more you apparently do than those people. Ideas and bug reporting make you no more qualified to figure out how to run a productive CPM than anyone else. At least i play the game and know what im talking about
Django Quik R.I.f.t 350	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:21:00 - [52] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Django Quik wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 1 podcast show and thats it, it barely doing owt, being a radio presenter if that - how about writing down ideas and reporting bugs? oh sorry they dont do that Also by the sound of that blog it does soundlike they will have an impact on the game itself in some form Nope. They're only there very temporarily. Any effect they have on the game will have to happen so quickly that they likely won't have time to do it. They've got at best a few months and will have to use that time to work out the future of CPMs. Also, you've not said what more you apparently do than those people. Ideas and bug reporting make you no more qualified to figure out how to run a productive CPM than anyone else. At least i play the game and know what im talking about Well, that's entirely subjective. And what do you know about designing a CPM? Quote: We came to the conclusion that the best group of people to help design the future of this player run organization was the players themselves.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:26:00 - [53] - Quote Fuzzy makes some good points. The group does need to be diverse or you just end up getting the same opinion over and over. Where is the MAG representation? They have a unique take on what Dust needs. Cazaderon almost made it but is only an alternate.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:27:00 - [54] - Quote The CPM problems is the voting that is the only problem and maybe how many it members it should have The biggest problems is which ideas the CPM choose to support and bring to CCP
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1168	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:29:00 - [55] - Quote Pssh, the CPM is as much of a joke as all of the CSMs. Just some big-time corp CEOs who 'take part in the community' by pulling off whatever grabs the most publicity, but never actually do anything past that. Iron Wolf Saber is about the only one on there that I think would honestly give a damn about anyone's opinion that isn't in his particular circle, and even then I don't know him well enough to confirm that. The rest of them are self-serving and you can see that much by how they convey themselves on the forums 90% of the time. Two corporate honchos, one website blogger and a former CSM member. Yeah, can totally see the issues that I'm concerned about getting reported. Not to mention what Fuzzy pointed out about them all being Betamax affiliates. Can't wait to see this game turn into: Eve Online, now with more Power Blocs!
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3572	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:08:00 - [56] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Pssh, the CPM is as much of a joke as all of the CSMs. Just some big-time corp CEOs who 'take part in the community' by pulling off whatever grabs the most publicity, but never actually do anything past that. Iron Wolf Saber is about the only one on there that I think would honestly give a damn about anyone's opinion that isn't in his particular circle, and even then I don't know him well enough to confirm that. The rest of them are self-serving and you can see that much by how they convey themselves on the forums 90% of the time. Two corporate honchos, one website blogger and a former CSM member. Yeah, can totally see the issues that I'm concerned about getting reported. Not to mention what Fuzzy pointed out about them all being Betamax affiliates. Can't wait to see this game turn into: Eve Online, now with more Power Blocs! EDIT: Oh, and for anyone saying that "CCP won't give them special treatment", I'm sure we Eve veterans remember the CCP Scandal with BoB receiving T2 BPOs (Sabre). Of course, when I look for the dev blog now, the damned thing has been removed. Fact being, this is a different team - so who knows where the boundaries lie at current. Happens once, bound to happen again. If this where to happen I will break the NDA. CCP knows I can use it as a weapon too.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1170	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:44:00 - [57] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Pssh, the CPM is as much of a joke as all of the CSMs. Just some big-time corp CEOs who 'take part in the community' by pulling off whatever grabs the most publicity, but never actually do anything past that. Iron Wolf Saber is about the only one on there that I think would honestly give a damn about anyone's opinion that isn't in his particular circle, and even then I don't know him well enough to confirm that. The rest of them are self-serving and you can see that much by how they convey themselves on the forums 90% of the time. Two corporate honchos, one website blogger and a former CSM member. Yeah, can totally see the issues that I'm concerned about getting reported. Not to mention what Fuzzy pointed out about them all being Betamax affiliates. Can't wait to see this game turn into: Eve Online, now with more Power Blocs! EDIT: Oh, and for anyone saying that "CCP won't give them special treatment", I'm sure we Eve veterans remember the CCP Scandal with BoB receiving T2 BPOs (Sabre). Of course, when I look for the dev blog now, the damned thing has been removed. Fact being, this is a different team - so who knows where the boundaries lie at current. Happens once, bound to happen again. If this where to happen I will break the NDA. CCP knows I can use it as a weapon too. Good on you, if you honor that statement. Just gained a lot of respect from this Capsuleer/Duster.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 152	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:46:00 - [58] - Quote Cry me a river, boys. So you don't like the council, I'm shocked. So here's how its going to work. Regardless of what you may think of us, or whether we're "hardcore" enough for you, you have two options: 1.) Give us the benefit of the doubt, stop recycling the bullhonkey and trying to stir up drama, and reach out to your representatives (whether you approve of them or not) 2.) Ignore us, and let us do whatever we want with CCP. In this case, you not only lose out on your voice with them, you lose out on the ability to influence Dust's development (Naysayers can go get an education about what the CPM will be capable over here), but most importantly - you'll lose your right to **** and moan about what comes down the pike.* I have little interest in sitting around telling CCP how to develop the game. I have great interest in telling them how YOU want the game developed. I've spent the last year going toe-to-toe against CCP on a wide variety of issues, and I've served players in EVE from many different background vastly different from my own. Why? Because they didn't act like a bunch of crybabies, and sacked up and came to the CSM anyways with their issues and got results. I'm sure there will be many more threads like this, and I pretty much plan to ignore them the rest of the term. They're a waste of our time, they're a waste of your time, and a waste of CCP's time. If you want to make a difference, move to a constructive thread or write us a mail with your feedback, your questions for us to ask the devs. I'm also available all day long on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen is the name. I have all the time in the world to discuss Dust514 and how we can get it on the right track. I have zero time for the hand-wringing, hair-pulling, tinfoil, skepticism, or blatant ignorance about the council, its responsibilities, and the past successes of the CSM. So grow up, get to work, and get back in the game - and if you're unhappy with the roster, step up to the plate and run once we've set up proper elections. Believe me guys - this is not my first rodeo, and you're hardly the first bunch of sad pandas trying to Nostradamus my failure. I look forward to torpedoing your misconceptions in the coming months the way I have my detractors in EVE all last year. o7
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 152	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:49:00 - [59] - Quote Free Beers wrote: I like hans even if he hates me I don't hate you, Beers. Stop moping around, we have work to do soldier!
Yay Adski Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2013.04.20 16:43:00 - [60] - Quote Is it the one who rage quit the game when some members left a corp?



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