Only problem I have is that there all eve players

I am unhappy with the current members of the CPM. But not from a perspective that calls into question their capabilities to perform the role since I believe the individuals chosen are capable. My beef extends from the fact that I believe CCP is showing favoritism.

And make no mistake, favoritism IS being shown:

Kain Spero, former member of Betamax.
Ironwolf, member of Betamax.
jenza aranda, ceo of Betamax.
Hans Jagerblizten, former member of Betamax.

"Oh but its okay! CCP can appoint the CPM because we are in beta!" I call bull****. The fact that we are in a beta is in "title" anyway. People are paying real money into this game, an attribute not shared with the every day run of the muck "beta." It is generally known and accepted by the player base (at least by the bitter vets) that Dust 514 being considered a beta is just an excuse for why it has remained in the current dreary state it is in.

The fact is that Dust 514 is diverse with multiple cultures being represented. You have the hardcore fpsers, like those that came form MAG. You also have current and veteran New Eden denizens. You also have the casual new player that picked up the game (I mean beta, even though its marketed with: "download full game"). Are all the aforementioned cultures being represented by the appointed CPM?

Why the favoritism? I have a theory. "God forbid CCP choose individuals associated with Goons or TEST for CPM!" Because we all know that if they went in that direction, all the "non-veteran New Eden pubbies" may perceive that as favoritism towards Goons; given to them from CCP on a silver platter. Say it isn't so! And for what? Fear. Fear that Dust 514 won't get up off the ground because the pubbies would get their toes stepped on and lose steam for this game. Fear that showing any additional good will to Goons or TEST (in Dust 514) will cause the pubbies to gain "why bother" syndrome. ("Why bother, if we are only going to get stomped by Goons and TEST in the end. Oh hell, CCP keeps giving them more and more attention, we won't last a chance!")

I understand CCP's decision making for the CPM, contrary to what other's may claim. But the bottom line is this: Don't forget that Dust 514 is made up of diverse groups and cultures. Don't forget that the CPM should represent the entire Dust 514 player base and not a select (and pandered to) few.

And most of all, don't forget those of us that helped make New Eden great in the first place; those of us that intend to continue on doing just that...

There are lots of others that would have been good for the cpm too. I just dont think there is a reason to pick a Goon/TEST rep because of what they are in EvE.

There are lots of others that would have been good for the cpm too. I just dont think there is a reason to pick a Goon/TEST rep because of what they are in EvE.

Well at least I do not afk-leech, if I do afk its because something is happening in RL and its typically in a place where I could get killed. Been a few times I get kicked because it took longer than I thought.

The BoB fiasco looms over this story. I would have each candidate actually create a resume while leaving the name section BLANK and have the community select the person who they believe has the most creds.

On that note vote Pink Fluff!
Resume ~ I Play eve
Things that I have done ~ Played eve for 10 years now
Things I will do ~ Play eve some more.
Things I can do ~ I speak multiple languages
Things I wont do ~ Actual work

But on the most part good luck with the initial WC.

Cry me a river, boys. So you don't like the council, I'm shocked.

So here's how its going to work. Regardless of what you may think of us, or whether we're "hardcore" enough for you, you have two options:

1.) Give us the benefit of the doubt, stop recycling the bullhonkey and trying to stir up drama, and reach out to your representatives (whether you approve of them or not)

2.) Ignore us, and let us do whatever we want with CCP. In this case, you not only lose out on your voice with them, you lose out on the ability to influence Dust's development (Naysayers can go get an education about what the CPM will be capable over here), but most importantly - you'll lose your right to ***** and moan about what comes down the pike.

I have little interest in sitting around telling CCP how to develop the game. I have great interest in telling them how YOU want the game developed. I've spent the last year going toe-to-toe against CCP on a wide variety of issues, and I've served players in EVE from many different background vastly different from my own. Why? Because they didn't act like a bunch of crybabies, and sacked up and came to the CSM anyways with their issues and got results.

I'm sure there will be many more threads like this, and I pretty much plan to ignore them the rest of the term. They're a waste of our time, they're a waste of your time, and a waste of CCP's time. If you want to make a difference, move to a constructive thread or write us a mail with your feedback, your questions for us to ask the devs.

I'm also available all day long on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen is the name. I have all the time in the world to discuss Dust514 and how we can get it on the right track. I have zero time for the hand-wringing, hair-pulling, tinfoil, skepticism, or blatant ignorance about the council, its responsibilities, and the past successes of the CSM. So grow up, get to work, and get back in the game - and if you're unhappy with the roster, step up to the plate and run once we've set up proper elections.

Believe me guys - this is not my first rodeo, and you're hardly the first bunch of sad pandas trying to Nostradamus my failure. I look forward to torpedoing your misconceptions in the coming months the way I have my detractors in EVE all last year.

o7

See, here's the problem Hans...

CSM 7 didn't listen. To anyone. About anything. Maybe their own corporations/alliances but beyond that the only time the CSM ever came out of hiding was to pull this number:

Two step wrote:

No

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213947

Seriously, the CSM complains about CSM members not talking or doing anything while at the summits so they go through this entire facade of putting together some bullshit system that makes it to where only a limited number of CSM members from CSM 8 can go to the summits....


... and then doesn't even explain their reasoning/answers when they decline player opinions! It's not your job to weigh whether or not you like the idea and discuss it with CCP if it suits you, you're supposed to show some form of neutrality as A REPRESENTATIVE.

So yeah, torpedo our misconceptions - have at it - make yourself look WORSE because it doesn't get much worse than absolutely failing at the only job that could literally be described as "middle man".

You want to do right by the community? Speak on the community's behalf. Do something for the community. Don't just play the game to hit your SP cap and then be done with it so that when something you -do- like comes around you're prepared for it, and don't play the role of 'representative' if the only ideals you're going to represent are your own.

I can't even count how many times the CSM has outright lied their way through the voting process when discussing concepts and ideas with players just so that they get a vote, and the fact that you didn't get elected and that you were CHOSEN just goes to show that you must really advertise yourself.

Why do I say this? Because the only issues you've commented on were Forge Guns and Active SP.

Do something with your role. Don't ride it out. It's not hourly wages.

Edit: Also, who the **** approved the Gallente Battleship changes?! They all got out-right MURDERED, as if flying Gallente wasn't a death sentence to begin with.

Imperfects will be releasing a statement on who we approve.

To be completely honest with you guys, that will only make things MUCH MUCH worse, if you really do care about that.

(Stuff)

So, I ask it yet again, who the hell are these people representing?

I will tell you one thing, if we do screw up then you have the right to be more angry.

"-a group of selected delegates from the playerbase to meet with developers and discuss issues and topics of importance to both the playerbase and the future of the universe that would grow to become the EVE Online we know today."