DUST Search - Issue with one of the appointed CPM

Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:

Cry me a river, boys. So you don't like the council, I'm shocked. Shocked

So here's how its going to work. Regardless of what you may think of us, or whether we're "hardcore" enough for you, you have two options:

1.) Give us the benefit of the doubt, stop recycling the bullhonkey and trying to stir up drama, and reach out to your representatives (whether you approve of them or not)

2.) Ignore us, and let us do whatever we want with CCP. In this case, you not only lose out on your voice with them, you lose out on the ability to influence Dust's development (Naysayers can go get an education about what the CPM will be capable over here), but most importantly - you'll lose your right to ***** and moan about what comes down the pike.

I have little interest in sitting around telling CCP how to develop the game. I have great interest in telling them how YOU want the game developed. I've spent the last year going toe-to-toe against CCP on a wide variety of issues, and I've served players in EVE from many different background vastly different from my own. Why? Because they didn't act like a bunch of crybabies, and sacked up and came to the CSM anyways with their issues and got results.

I'm sure there will be many more threads like this, and I pretty much plan to ignore them the rest of the term. They're a waste of our time, they're a waste of your time, and a waste of CCP's time. If you want to make a difference, move to a constructive thread or write us a mail with your feedback, your questions for us to ask the devs.

I'm also available all day long on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen is the name. I have all the time in the world to discuss Dust514 and how we can get it on the right track. I have zero time for the hand-wringing, hair-pulling, tinfoil, skepticism, or blatant ignorance about the council, its responsibilities, and the past successes of the CSM. So grow up, get to work, and get back in the game - and if you're unhappy with the roster, step up to the plate and run once we've set up proper elections.

Believe me guys - this is not my first rodeo, and you're hardly the first bunch of sad pandas trying to Nostradamus my failure. I look forward to torpedoing your misconceptions in the coming months the way I have my detractors in EVE all last year.

o7


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Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1168	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:29:00 - [1] - Quote Pssh, the CPM is as much of a joke as all of the CSMs. Just some big-time corp CEOs who 'take part in the community' by pulling off whatever grabs the most publicity, but never actually do anything past that. Iron Wolf Saber is about the only one on there that I think would honestly give a damn about anyone's opinion that isn't in his particular circle, and even then I don't know him well enough to confirm that. The rest of them are self-serving and you can see that much by how they convey themselves on the forums 90% of the time. Two corporate honchos, one website blogger and a former CSM member. Yeah, can totally see the issues that I'm concerned about getting reported. Not to mention what Fuzzy pointed out about them all being Betamax affiliates. Can't wait to see this game turn into: Eve Online, now with more Power Blocs!
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1170	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:44:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Pssh, the CPM is as much of a joke as all of the CSMs. Just some big-time corp CEOs who 'take part in the community' by pulling off whatever grabs the most publicity, but never actually do anything past that. Iron Wolf Saber is about the only one on there that I think would honestly give a damn about anyone's opinion that isn't in his particular circle, and even then I don't know him well enough to confirm that. The rest of them are self-serving and you can see that much by how they convey themselves on the forums 90% of the time. Two corporate honchos, one website blogger and a former CSM member. Yeah, can totally see the issues that I'm concerned about getting reported. Not to mention what Fuzzy pointed out about them all being Betamax affiliates. Can't wait to see this game turn into: Eve Online, now with more Power Blocs! EDIT: Oh, and for anyone saying that "CCP won't give them special treatment", I'm sure we Eve veterans remember the CCP Scandal with BoB receiving T2 BPOs (Sabre). Of course, when I look for the dev blog now, the damned thing has been removed. Fact being, this is a different team - so who knows where the boundaries lie at current. Happens once, bound to happen again. If this where to happen I will break the NDA. CCP knows I can use it as a weapon too. Good on you, if you honor that statement. Just gained a lot of respect from this Capsuleer/Duster.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1174	Posted - 2013.04.21 15:58:00 - [3] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Cry me a river, boys. So you don't like the council, I'm shocked. So here's how its going to work. Regardless of what you may think of us, or whether we're "hardcore" enough for you, you have two options: 1.) Give us the benefit of the doubt, stop recycling the bullhonkey and trying to stir up drama, and reach out to your representatives (whether you approve of them or not) 2.) Ignore us, and let us do whatever we want with CCP. In this case, you not only lose out on your voice with them, you lose out on the ability to influence Dust's development (Naysayers can go get an education about what the CPM will be capable over here), but most importantly - you'll lose your right to **** and moan about what comes down the pike.* I have little interest in sitting around telling CCP how to develop the game. I have great interest in telling them how YOU want the game developed. I've spent the last year going toe-to-toe against CCP on a wide variety of issues, and I've served players in EVE from many different background vastly different from my own. Why? Because they didn't act like a bunch of crybabies, and sacked up and came to the CSM anyways with their issues and got results. I'm sure there will be many more threads like this, and I pretty much plan to ignore them the rest of the term. They're a waste of our time, they're a waste of your time, and a waste of CCP's time. If you want to make a difference, move to a constructive thread or write us a mail with your feedback, your questions for us to ask the devs. I'm also available all day long on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen is the name. I have all the time in the world to discuss Dust514 and how we can get it on the right track. I have zero time for the hand-wringing, hair-pulling, tinfoil, skepticism, or blatant ignorance about the council, its responsibilities, and the past successes of the CSM. So grow up, get to work, and get back in the game - and if you're unhappy with the roster, step up to the plate and run once we've set up proper elections. Believe me guys - this is not my first rodeo, and you're hardly the first bunch of sad pandas trying to Nostradamus my failure. I look forward to torpedoing your misconceptions in the coming months the way I have my detractors in EVE all last year. o7 See, here's the problem Hans... CSM 7 didn't listen. To anyone. About anything. Maybe their own corporations/alliances but beyond that the only time the CSM ever came out of hiding was to pull this number: Two step wrote: No https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=213947 Seriously, the CSM complains about CSM members not talking or doing anything while at the summits so they go through this entire facade of putting together some bullshit system that makes it to where only a limited number of CSM members from CSM 8 can go to the summits.... ... and then doesn't even explain their reasoning/answers when they decline player opinions! It's not your job to weigh whether or not you like the idea and discuss it with CCP if it suits you, you're supposed to show some form of neutrality as A REPRESENTATIVE. So yeah, torpedo our misconceptions - have at it - make yourself look WORSE because it doesn't get much worse than absolutely failing at the only job that could literally be described as "middle man". You want to do right by the community? Speak on the community's behalf. Do something for the community. Don't just play the game to hit your SP cap and then be done with it so that when something you -do- like comes around you're prepared for it, and don't play the role of 'representative' if the only ideals you're going to represent are your own. I can't even count how many times the CSM has outright lied their way through the voting process when discussing concepts and ideas with players just so that they get a vote, and the fact that you didn't get elected and that you were CHOSEN just goes to show that you must really advertise yourself. Why do I say this? Because the only issues you've commented on were Forge Guns and Active SP. Do something with your role. Don't ride it out. It's not hourly wages.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1175	Posted - 2013.04.21 19:32:00 - [4] - Quote Fuzzy Jello pretty much hit it right on the dot. It's the general attitude of the CSM 7 that was just ridiculous, this sense of, "Well, you don't like what I want so ** you." Not to point fingers - actually, to hell with it, I've already gotten consequences for personal attacks, anyway - that sounds a lot like the Goonswarm/Imperfects style and probably has a major factor in the choices of CCP for the CPM representatives. Which, while we're on the topic of Representatives - I'd like to bring up something... http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/dust-514-council-of-planetary-management-1/ Being as they explicitly use the word "representatives", my question is: Just who the hell are they representing, exactly? They weren't elected, they were CHOSEN by CCP. So, obviously there's not any semblance of our "representatives" representing the things the players want to represent because they weren't elected to do so. CCP chose them to (and this is just a shot in the dark) represent CCP. That, or to represent a common factor. Being as the only common factor that these individuals share is their gross amount of publicity by whatever means (tournaments, CSM, charity or otherwise) it's not so far out of the realm of disbelief to assume that they were represented solely for PUBLICITY and with that in mind the CPM is not necessarily a council of representatives so much as one big advertisement stunt. Unless, of course, you look at the next common factor: Affiliation with BetaMax. Call bull all you want, but that's a resounding feature that stands out among all other things and is a great reason to call favoritism. On the assumption that these theories are completely wrong, however, and they've actually been chosen under the ideal that they are the best candidates to represent our wants/needs in Dust 514.... Why the bloody ** aren't they more resounding in their representation of certain issues? Not one of these people is known for having an opinion on any gameplay issue that pops on the forums and if they did it was weeks if not MONTHS ago. So, I ask it yet again, who the hell are these people representing?
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1175	Posted - 2013.04.21 19:56:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/dust-514-council-of-planetary-management-1/ Not naming any names but i feel as tho one of these people need to prove themselves they should be apart of this group. They have been known to take things wayyyy too seriously and often don't provide anything for their community. Past podcasts revealed this person to be unresponsive to discussions and very unreliable. This isn't a "i hate you message" but more of a "if you are trying to be apart of something this important then you need to show us you can put forth something greater". Many of you who read this wont understand what im talking about, but the vets that do......you all understand. Imperfects will be releasing a statement on who we approve. To be completely honest with you guys, that will only make things MUCH MUCH worse, if you really do care about that. Couldn't POSSIBLY be Kain Spero.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1176	Posted - 2013.04.21 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will tell you one thing, if we do screw up then you have the right to be more angry. Nah, I'm angry now just because I'm tired of putting faith into systems that don't work. CSM, for instance. In fact, just about every CSM. Nothing more infuriating than a group of people who all fly in power blocs that use the same fleet doctrine (Drakes/Hurricanes) commenting about ships they haven't flown in years. Hell, prove me wrong - but as I've said previously the current CPM members haven't shown that they actually can collect the thoughts/opinions of the majority (not the most vocal majority, mind you) and act on it. That much was shown solely based on previous forum posts. As far as involvement with things actually related to the game, Iron Wolf Saber does a great job at keeping us involved/informed from things ranging from Role-Playing and Lore Immersion all the way to New Build/Update Features, but even that isn't necessarily part of the job description; it's just more beneficial to the community than charity events and tournaments. Quote: "-a group of selected delegates from the playerbase to meet with developers and discuss issues and topics of importance to both the playerbase and the future of the universe that would grow to become the EVE Online we know today." Is the description given in the dev blog. Issues and topics of importance to the playerbase and the future of the game(s). But, in order to do that, you have to be communicative with the playerbase. That's where my issue is. CSM does a ** job about that and when they do communicate with us, it's in a snobby, self-serving manner that just shows how little they honestly care. Entire gameplay systems get changed solely because of the CSM (and soon the CPM) and not always for the better. For instance: Allies in War Declaration. The excuse for changing it was that "people get locked into a war" and "no-one likes being dog piled" but by comparison CCP Soundwave goes on to state that "war isn't fair and shouldn't be fair". So which is it? The attacker gets into a situation they can't handle, can't back out of and suddenly they're the victim because it's unfair that they couldn't see what they were getting into? Toss that in with the fact that tacking on Allies costs exponentially more for every ally and you could be spending billions/trillions just trying to even the odds - AND THEN THEY INTRODUCED AN ENTIRE SKILL TO REDUCE THE COSTS And that's just in Eve Online. If a system comes up in Dust 514, you can't start throwing out changes two frakking weeks after it gets implemented. It hasn't had time to evolve and just because one corporation/alliance bitches about it in unison doesn't mean that it's entirely broken, it just means they got into a situation they weren't prepared for - I.E: Welcome to New Eden syndrome. If these five individuals can actually show that they aren't going to have some kind of bias towards these features and design mechanics, and adhere to what the community as a whole wants, than I'll be impressed let alone confident in their ability. I've beta tested this game since June 2012 and since then it's just spiraled downward into a game that's becoming more and more irritating to play. My favorite game features were removed and replaced with tosser ideas that just standardized everything. It's a second job that I've got to come home to and grind SP for the sake of having a shot in hell against the opposition in the long run. Honestly, a good place to start is to come up with a forum sub-section that the CPM can post in. THIS DOES NOT MEAN ASSEMBLY HALL - THAT WAS A FAILURE**. We don't need another 'Feedback/Ideas' subsection - what it needs to be is a subsection in which the CPM can post ONE ISSUE per TOPIC that they can get the feedback of the players on. That's the only way it's going to work with any form of organization because simply posting in the unorganized drabble that is General Discussion and Feedback/Ideas is just not going to work with any semblance of order, but you were chosen so I'll leave that to you. Just throwing out my 2 ISK.