DUST Search - New Blog: What happened to Fighter Aircraft?

Kitten Commander wrote:

Selinate deux wrote:

Kitten Commander wrote:

Selinate deux wrote:

We only have 4 suits, a handful of guns and modules/equipment to use, and a few vehicles to play with so far. The maps are miniscule also.

And you want fighters? Now?

This is a terrible idea. Even if they did have fighters ready to implement, they'd be useless on these maps.

You havent read up on Uprising have you?

As far as map size, next time you take your head out of your posterior, have a look at how big the terrain map is for Manus Peak and then tell me how miniscule they are.

Manus peak isn't even close to big enough for a fighter aircraft. It's still way too tiny for a fighter.

What I have read about uprising suggests it will be an overhaul in a lot of systems so it's hard to comment on in full, but that has no bearing on what I said. As of right now, adding fighters is stupid and senseless. We need more ground vehicles, larger maps, bug fixes, and weaponry first, some or most of which will hopefully come with Uprising. This along with more modules and such.

You're so brave in insulting me right out though. Shows that you have no real reasoning for wanting fighter aircrafts other than "OOOOH SHINY"...

Really, have you pulled up the overhead and searched beyond the redline to see how big it is? Take a minute or two during a game and have a look. You would be surprised.

Adding fighters is not stupid and senseless. It adds a balance to the ground vehicles that you want more of. There always needs to be checks and balances in a fight. You cannot expect infantry to be a proper counterbalance to a tank because, well.. TANK. The only other option is to bring in an opposing tank which gets somewhat redundant.

FA's also add to the realism and immersion of a full war scenario and turn it into something so much greater than your standard FPS. It gives the ground commander more tools to use as part of his/her strategy.

And finally, because they were what drew many to this game in the first place as per the 2009 video which had the Gal Fighter in it.

The insult was because you came on here and began your rant because you dont have something that you want. In no way did it seem to be targeting any type of intelligent conversation. .

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Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 265	Posted - 2013.04.19 13:43:00 - [1] - Quote 'The moment occurred way back at EVE Fanfest 2009, but it was something that made players take notice. The recently announced MMOFPS that would be tied together with EVE, Dust 514, had just revealed Fighter Aircraft. And although the dev who piloted it crashed twenty seconds after takeoff, the implications were obvious. The speed of the fighter, VTOL capability, the altitude it flew at [which was much higher than the tallest structures on the map] and the fact that it would probably have an assortment of weaponry options meant that it would be a force to be reckoned with. Here's a link to the footage if you havent seen it. The only problem is that four years later, FA still have yet to make their appearance to the dismay of a large percentage of players. With its speed and the potential array of weapons, the FA is the dream of many Dust 514 mercs who are also skilled pilots. We wonder however, if air combat and ground combat will be separated like the are in Battlefield. While FA can attack tanks and other aircraft in BF3 its difficult for them to attack infantry. If FA retain VTOL like we've seen in past footage, however, they could be a nightmare for those of us with boots on the ground.' read the rest here: http://tinyurl.com/cpdazwy
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die 57	Posted - 2013.04.19 13:47:00 - [2] - Quote Warhawk anyone?
SoLJae ZionTCD 361	Posted - 2013.04.19 13:49:00 - [3] - Quote It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When?
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die 57	Posted - 2013.04.19 13:55:00 - [4] - Quote SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? Beta - Work In Progress
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 251	Posted - 2013.04.19 13:59:00 - [5] - Quote SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? Like CCP are going to drop it all in at once and break both games
SoLJae ZionTCD 361	Posted - 2013.04.19 14:04:00 - [6] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? Like CCP are going to drop it all in at once and break both games Most game companies release COMPLETE games each and every year. What's CCP's problem? They hide behind their "Beta." It's always the excuse for everything incomplete or broken and there are NEVER answers to when those things WILL be complete or fixed.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 251	Posted - 2013.04.19 14:12:00 - [7] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? Like CCP are going to drop it all in at once and break both games Most game companies release COMPLETE games each and every year. What's CCP's problem? They hide behind their "Beta." It's always the excuse for everything incomplete or broken and there are NEVER answers to when those things WILL be complete or fixed. Its not complete, it hasnt been released, it is still in beta Defiance was a new game released as a new game but it was barely out of beta, most games released have problems due to being rushed out and some are game breakingly bad
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 258	Posted - 2013.04.19 14:17:00 - [8] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Most game companies release COMPLETE games each and every year. What's CCP's problem? They hide behind their "Beta." It's always the excuse for everything incomplete or broken and there are NEVER answers to when those things WILL be complete or fixed. You sir apparently do not work in the software business. Please return to flipping hamburgers and leave the programming work to the professionals.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2013.04.19 14:20:00 - [9] - Quote The Derp Derpa tank drivers cried how OP They were going to be before they even got released so they were nerfed out.
SoLJae ZionTCD 362	Posted - 2013.04.19 14:25:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its not complete, it hasnt been released, it is still in beta EXACTLY So, tell me, When will it be released? Game companies tend to set release dates for their customers. When is the release date for DUST 514? Been playing (testing) for a year and still can't find a proper release date. "Soon" was over 6 months ago! All these revolutionary gameplay promises are becoming a bust and there are no answers coming from CCP. You get what you pay for. And for free you get a clunky shooter with 4 maps and a $hitload of empty promises.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 251	Posted - 2013.04.19 14:45:00 - [11] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its not complete, it hasnt been released, it is still in beta EXACTLY So, tell me, When will it be released? Game companies tend to set release dates for their customers. When is the release date for DUST 514? Been playing (testing) for a year and still can't find a proper release date. "Soon" was over 6 months ago! All these revolutionary gameplay promises are becoming a bust and there are no answers coming from CCP. You get what you pay for. And for free you get a clunky shooter with 4 maps and a $hitload of empty promises. I havnt learned 'See into the future' skill level 5 yet 'Becoming bust' - oh great developer why are you not working for CCP, im sure you could develop it all and have it working between the 2 different platforms in less than a week
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2013.04.19 15:17:00 - [12] - Quote +1 good read. would love to see jets
Yani Nabari One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 37	Posted - 2013.04.19 15:42:00 - [13] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Most game companies release COMPLETE games each and every year. Not good ones.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1317	Posted - 2013.04.19 16:38:00 - [14] - Quote Yani Nabari wrote: SoLJae wrote: Most game companies release COMPLETE games each and every year. Not good ones. Yeah, seriously. Most of the game's I've actually enjoyed have been in development for at least 3 years before being released. Given how they picked up a completely different engine partway through, I'm not surprised Dust has been in development so much longer.
Zhar Ptitsaa The Red Guards EoN. 39	Posted - 2013.04.19 16:44:00 - [15] - Quote link to thread oddly created a day before this article was made. Credit to Shouper of BHD for bringing this up in the first place
G Sacred Rubber Chicken Bombers 79	Posted - 2013.04.19 16:54:00 - [16] - Quote People, people realize. This is NOT a completed game. This is after all a beta. A beta, might I add, which is going to be the first game to directly link a PS3 game and a PC game. This is unprecedented. There is no one else CCP can look at to get an idea about what to do here. This game could be in a beta phase well into next year, and I'll be with it every step of the way.
SlR KNlGHT TeamPlayers EoN. 8	Posted - 2013.04.19 17:04:00 - [17] - Quote Best pilot hands down<
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 17	Posted - 2013.04.19 17:09:00 - [18] - Quote SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? when they can. may the eve gods condemn you.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 168	Posted - 2013.04.19 17:48:00 - [19] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? Beta - Work In Progress more like Beta- Working Backwards but really.. the proto game back then had so much to offer and not much has carried over, it just feels like a different game.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 187	Posted - 2013.04.19 18:16:00 - [20] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: Warhawk anyone? Spin-to-Win

Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:04:00 - [21] - Quote i just hope a great deal of the core game will be avail at launch.
SoLJae ZionTCD 364	Posted - 2013.04.19 19:07:00 - [22] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: i just hope a great deal of the core game will be avail at launch. Man, I do too! When IS launch by the way? Anyone?
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 187	Posted - 2013.04.19 20:49:00 - [23] - Quote While this isnt revolutionary considering the many threads we have had where we discuss this, I am glad that more and more people are recognizing the potential of FA in DUST. The more that is written about them, the better chance we have of actually seeing a response from CCP. They will give a balance to vehicles and add a new dimension to the game. But please, for the love of god, introduce key mapping at the same time. My Saitek demands it.
Selinate deux Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.04.19 21:05:00 - [24] - Quote We only have 4 suits, a handful of guns and modules/equipment to use, and a few vehicles to play with so far. The maps are miniscule also. And you want fighters? Now? This is a terrible idea. Even if they did have fighters ready to implement, they'd be useless on these maps.
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 187	Posted - 2013.04.19 21:10:00 - [25] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: We only have 4 suits, a handful of guns and modules/equipment to use, and a few vehicles to play with so far. The maps are miniscule also. And you want fighters? Now? This is a terrible idea. Even if they did have fighters ready to implement, they'd be useless on these maps. You havent read up on Uprising have you? As far as map size, next time you take your head out of your posterior, have a look at how big the terrain map is for Manus Peak and then tell me how miniscule they are.
Selinate deux Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.04.19 21:21:00 - [26] - Quote Kitten Commander wrote: Selinate deux wrote: We only have 4 suits, a handful of guns and modules/equipment to use, and a few vehicles to play with so far. The maps are miniscule also. And you want fighters? Now? This is a terrible idea. Even if they did have fighters ready to implement, they'd be useless on these maps. You havent read up on Uprising have you? As far as map size, next time you take your head out of your posterior, have a look at how big the terrain map is for Manus Peak and then tell me how miniscule they are. Manus peak isn't even close to big enough for a fighter aircraft. It's still way too tiny for a fighter. What I have read about uprising suggests it will be an overhaul in a lot of systems so it's hard to comment on in full, but that has no bearing on what I said. As of right now, adding fighters is stupid and senseless. We need more ground vehicles, larger maps, bug fixes, and weaponry first, some or most of which will hopefully come with Uprising. This along with more modules and such. You're so brave in insulting me right out though. Shows that you have no real reasoning for wanting fighter aircrafts other than "OOOOH SHINY"...
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 187	Posted - 2013.04.19 21:36:00 - [27] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: Kitten Commander wrote: Selinate deux wrote: We only have 4 suits, a handful of guns and modules/equipment to use, and a few vehicles to play with so far. The maps are miniscule also. And you want fighters? Now? This is a terrible idea. Even if they did have fighters ready to implement, they'd be useless on these maps. You havent read up on Uprising have you? As far as map size, next time you take your head out of your posterior, have a look at how big the terrain map is for Manus Peak and then tell me how miniscule they are. Manus peak isn't even close to big enough for a fighter aircraft. It's still way too tiny for a fighter. What I have read about uprising suggests it will be an overhaul in a lot of systems so it's hard to comment on in full, but that has no bearing on what I said. As of right now, adding fighters is stupid and senseless. We need more ground vehicles, larger maps, bug fixes, and weaponry first, some or most of which will hopefully come with Uprising. This along with more modules and such. You're so brave in insulting me right out though. Shows that you have no real reasoning for wanting fighter aircrafts other than "OOOOH SHINY"... Really, have you pulled up the overhead and searched beyond the redline to see how big it is? Take a minute or two during a game and have a look. You would be surprised. Adding fighters is not stupid and senseless. It adds a balance to the ground vehicles that you want more of. There always needs to be checks and balances in a fight. You cannot expect infantry to be a proper counterbalance to a tank because, well.. TANK. The only other option is to bring in an opposing tank which gets somewhat redundant. FA's also add to the realism and immersion of a full war scenario and turn it into something so much greater than your standard FPS. It gives the ground commander more tools to use as part of his/her strategy. And finally, because they were what drew many to this game in the first place as per the 2009 video which had the Gal Fighter in it. The insult was because you came on here and began your rant because you dont have something that you want. In no way did it seem to be targeting any type of intelligent conversation. .
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1319	Posted - 2013.04.20 01:27:00 - [28] - Quote Kitten Commander wrote: Selinate deux wrote: Kitten Commander wrote: Selinate deux wrote: We only have 4 suits, a handful of guns and modules/equipment to use, and a few vehicles to play with so far. The maps are miniscule also. And you want fighters? Now? This is a terrible idea. Even if they did have fighters ready to implement, they'd be useless on these maps. You havent read up on Uprising have you? As far as map size, next time you take your head out of your posterior, have a look at how big the terrain map is for Manus Peak and then tell me how miniscule they are. Manus peak isn't even close to big enough for a fighter aircraft. It's still way too tiny for a fighter. What I have read about uprising suggests it will be an overhaul in a lot of systems so it's hard to comment on in full, but that has no bearing on what I said. As of right now, adding fighters is stupid and senseless. We need more ground vehicles, larger maps, bug fixes, and weaponry first, some or most of which will hopefully come with Uprising. This along with more modules and such. You're so brave in insulting me right out though. Shows that you have no real reasoning for wanting fighter aircrafts other than "OOOOH SHINY"... Really, have you pulled up the overhead and searched beyond the redline to see how big it is? Take a minute or two during a game and have a look. You would be surprised. Adding fighters is not stupid and senseless. It adds a balance to the ground vehicles that you want more of. There always needs to be checks and balances in a fight. You cannot expect infantry to be a proper counterbalance to a tank because, well.. TANK. The only other option is to bring in an opposing tank which gets somewhat redundant. FA's also add to the realism and immersion of a full war scenario and turn it into something so much greater than your standard FPS. It gives the ground commander more tools to use as part of his/her strategy. And finally, because they were what drew many to this game in the first place as per the 2009 video which had the Gal Fighter in it. The insult was because you came on here and began your rant because you dont have something that you want. In no way did it seem to be targeting any type of intelligent conversation. . As soon as we get those larger environments, this game is gonna jump to a whole different level.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 78	Posted - 2013.04.20 01:30:00 - [29] - Quote fighter jets confirmed to be shown at fanfest along with attack dropship(apache version), gunships and speeders
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1319	Posted - 2013.04.20 01:57:00 - [30] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: fighter jets confirmed to be shown at fanfest along with attack dropship(apache version), gunships and speeders From the concept art, I think the idea is that the Fighter actually fills both that role and the Gunship role via two different flight modes.

tribal wyvern ZionTCD 755	Posted - 2013.04.20 02:57:00 - [31] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: SoLJae wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: SoLJae wrote: It seems like the standard with this game: many, many revolutionary ideas ending up as unfulfilled and empty promises. Thousands of unique planets to fight on? Where? When? Dynamic and fluctuating economy? Where? When? Persistent meta-gameplay between Dust and Eve involving diplomacy and politics? Where? When? Like CCP are going to drop it all in at once and break both games Most game companies release COMPLETE games each and every year. What's CCP's problem? They hide behind their "Beta." It's always the excuse for everything incomplete or broken and there are NEVER answers to when those things WILL be complete or fixed. Its not complete, it hasnt been released, it is still in beta Defiance was a new game released as a new game but it was barely out of beta, most games released have problems due to being rushed out and some are game breakingly bad Dude, that was a defiance demo with a beta label 'dice style'. No beta lasts two weeks and then....game launches
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die 59	Posted - 2013.04.20 03:29:00 - [32] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Warhawk anyone? Spin-to-Win I shudder at the thought.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2013.04.20 05:08:00 - [33] - Quote I think ccp will be like #YOLOSWG and do things right and get a good score considering there team size is about 500 people (i think) they have more players in eve than they do in the city they live in
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 57	Posted - 2013.04.20 06:36:00 - [34] - Quote 'maps to small' well they are being enlarged, and if you have ever FULLY explored with DS, soem maps you get tripple the space (not counting altitude), all you have to be is high enough, also, since they havn`t mentioned them, the earlierst would be the next major update (3 months) and by then the maps will be MUCH bigger. why does it seem BHD is the only one getting the WarHawk and StarHawk jokes? LAAs are anti vehicle in most cases but if using the hover mode they could be efficient against infrantry but note the YAW is the same as looking down and your targets are small so it would take a bit of practice, and its a light vehicle so its ment for strentgh rather then toughness.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 495	Posted - 2013.04.20 08:43:00 - [35] - Quote Good blog, well thought out!
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 52	Posted - 2013.04.20 09:39:00 - [36] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: 'maps to small' well they are being enlarged, and if you have ever FULLY explored with DS, soem maps you get tripple the space (not counting altitude), all you have to be is high enough, also, since they havn`t mentioned them, the earlierst would be the next major update (3 months) and by then the maps will be MUCH bigger. why does it seem BHD is the only one getting the WarHawk and StarHawk jokes? LAAs are anti vehicle in most cases but if using the hover mode they could be efficient against infrantry but note the YAW is the same as looking down and your targets are small so it would take a bit of practice, and its a light vehicle so its ment for strentgh rather then toughness. We are among the only clans predominately from SH and WH that I know of ( others being RND and T$, T$ mercs don't post much)
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 187	Posted - 2013.04.20 14:56:00 - [37] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: 'maps to small' well they are being enlarged, and if you have ever FULLY explored with DS, soem maps you get tripple the space (not counting altitude), all you have to be is high enough, also, since they havn`t mentioned them, the earlierst would be the next major update (3 months) and by then the maps will be MUCH bigger. why does it seem BHD is the only one getting the WarHawk and StarHawk jokes? LAAs are anti vehicle in most cases but if using the hover mode they could be efficient against infrantry but note the YAW is the same as looking down and your targets are small so it would take a bit of practice, and its a light vehicle so its ment for strentgh rather then toughness. Im fine with that. It really depends on how the LAs will interact with the ground environment. - I think that they could be decent at strafing even if its simply to keep the enemy disorganized and running for cover. I do not expect them to be able to one-shot any infantry (might be able to tag a scout or two). They should be setup so that they can aide in a breach of an objective. - I agree that they should not be air tanks. They should have about the same HP as a LAV but more firepower. They should be very vulnerable should they be used in VTOL mode. Oh yeah, and keymapping so we can use the PC sticks instead of the PS3 one thats out there.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 116	Posted - 2013.04.20 16:07:00 - [38] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: fighter jets confirmed to be shown at fanfest along with attack dropship(apache version), gunships and speeders Shown...... Then I will ask after what is the timeframe on it, this or next build. Or next year, everything we get presentet now should have a ca timeframe on it.


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