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ATR Kuan Ti
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:08:00 -
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Since this event started in seeing alot of Mercs AFK in MCC. Hell Ive been in games were my squade was the only Squade fighting for objectives. Ive also been in a few games with no reddot past the redline and hideing in the MCC. What im asking is for a way to kick AFK ppl and you should mark it on there merc if thay do it all the time so corps will know that player is a AFK player. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:11:00 -
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Best way to stop people from afking is to change the SP reward to make afking not worth it.
Currently we get 5sp/second + 1sp/wp, change it to 2sp/sec + 4sp/wp and the sfking will be greatly reduced. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:21:00 -
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I love it when people say WP should be how we gain skills, then someone just has to drop a uplink or 2 before going AFK and they still get WP.
As I've said before, this is just like DRM, the more rules you put on it the more you hurt normal players and the people who abuse the mechanics will just figure out a way around it within a day or two. |
ATR Kuan Ti
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:32:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I love it when people say WP should be how we gain skills, then someone just has to drop a uplink or 2 before going AFK and they still get WP.
As I've said before, this is just like DRM, the more rules you put on it the more you hurt normal players and the people who abuse the mechanics will just figure out a way around it within a day or two.
ya ppl find away around things BUT this is a beta and is were stuff gets fixed was in a game yesterday were I was only man in battle past redline in my HAV 1 out of 16 players on my side that needs to be fixed |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:40:00 -
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ATR Kuan Ti wrote:
ya ppl find away around things BUT this is a beta and is were stuff gets fixed was in a game yesterday were I was only man in battle past redline in my HAV 1 out of 16 players on my side that needs to be fixed
AFK is a symptom, not a disease. If you are the only person playing our of 16. Then something is wrong wtih the game, not the AFK mechanic. |
ATR Kuan Ti
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:43:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:ATR Kuan Ti wrote:
ya ppl find away around things BUT this is a beta and is were stuff gets fixed was in a game yesterday were I was only man in battle past redline in my HAV 1 out of 16 players on my side that needs to be fixed
AFK is a symptom, not a disease. If you are the only person playing our of 16. Then something is wrong wtih the game, not the AFK mechanic.
thats what im saying it should kick them from game and mark them. Are you trolling me? |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:45:00 -
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ATR Kuan Ti wrote: thats what im saying it should kick them from game and mark them. Are you trolling me?
No, I'm telling you that games should be engaging and that people should want to play them. If you are the only person out of 16 people actually playing the game then its not the other 15 peoples problem. You don't ban people from the game when obviously there is a problem with the game.
Then its just you playing with yourself.
The trick is to instead, figure out "why" people are not engaged in your game, and fix that. |
ATR Kuan Ti
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:50:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:ATR Kuan Ti wrote: thats what im saying it should kick them from game and mark them. Are you trolling me? No, I'm telling you that games should be engaging and that people should want to play them. If you are the only person out of 16 people actually playing the game then its not the other 15 peoples problem. You don't ban people from the game when obviously there is a problem with the game. Then its just you playing with yourself. The trick is to instead, figure out "why" people are not engaged in your game, and fix that.
not saying ban im saying eject them from lobby there sitting there so thay get the free rewards |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:02:00 -
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ATR Kuan Ti wrote: not saying ban im saying eject them from lobby there sitting there so thay get the free rewards
You are still not fixing the problem. Like I said, AFK is a symptom, not a disease.
It would be like smacking a blind kid because he can't read print. Instead, teach him Braille |
ATR Kuan Ti
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:45:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:ATR Kuan Ti wrote: not saying ban im saying eject them from lobby there sitting there so thay get the free rewards You are still not fixing the problem. Like I said, AFK is a symptom, not a disease. It would be like smacking a blind kid because he can't read print. Instead, teach him Braille
I bet your a little kid mabe 8 to 10 by the way you are trolling me |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:59:00 -
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ATR Kuan Ti wrote: I bet your a little kid mabe 8 to 10 by the way you are trolling me
You got me pegged, how did you figure it out? I'm actually 6 years old and live in my parents basement where I troll forums using the secret hidden troll arts known as Logic and Reason to make valid points in legitimate conversation.
Since I am 6 however, let me instead use the techniques you would expect of me.
Your idea is stupid nah nah nah, AFK is teh best LOL.
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:23:00 -
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I have removed a personal attack from this thread. |
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B Team
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.19 20:56:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:ATR Kuan Ti wrote: thats what im saying it should kick them from game and mark them. Are you trolling me? No, I'm telling you that games should be engaging and that people should want to play them. If you are the only person out of 16 people actually playing the game then its not the other 15 peoples problem. You don't ban people from the game when obviously there is a problem with the game. Then its just you playing with yourself. The trick is to instead, figure out "why" people are not engaged in your game, and fix that.
Baloney. If people actually weren't engaged with the game, they'd simply not play. It's not like they're being forced to.
Obviously something is encouraging them to come into the game and play. And they're not just AFKing. I've been running into more and more of them that stay alert enough to run away when I come up to them with an overcooked grenade. Now, I understand those pathetic souls that basically rageAFK after being steamrolled for a while.. who value their K/D more than their team so won't even gear up in free kit and charge back out into the fray.. but we're talking about guys who hide in the MCC from the start of the game onward.
This leaves a few possibilities.
1. They're simple trolls. Assholes who enjoy ruining other people's play by taking up player slots and unbalancing teams. Annoying but not critical as I think they'll tend to balance each other out. However, it will become critical once the meta game comes more into play, because you'll get spys doing exactly the same thing. This will cause companies to not want to play with anybody they don't trust -- ie, no pubbers. Which in turn will mean that pubbers will get left out of the most interesting parts of the game, and, as such, probably leave.
Can CCP sustain the Dust servers on solely the hardcore PS3 audience? If they don't do something to allow the playerbase to control the AFKers quickly once a battle starts, we're going to find out.
2. They're people who are gaming the system, because they've realized they don't get significantly more WP/SP for playing rather than not playing. For that group then the answer is what the OP suggested. Lower WP for time in match, and increase WP for active participation. Yeah, some will drop uplinks and maybe make some points that way, but there are ways around that specfiic problem as well. For instance, allow players to tag a friendly uplink as worthless at a cost of 50WP.. if you don't have 50WP, you can't tag the uplink. Each tag uses up one use of that uplink without reward.
Most players wouldn't bother because they want their WP. Most trolls wouldn't bother because they don't want to have to contribute to the game that much. But there'd be a few people, like me, who think it'd be worth the personal sacrifice to benefit the team.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:33:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:ATR Kuan Ti wrote:
ya ppl find away around things BUT this is a beta and is were stuff gets fixed was in a game yesterday were I was only man in battle past redline in my HAV 1 out of 16 players on my side that needs to be fixed
AFK is a symptom, not a disease. If you are the only person playing our of 16. Then something is wrong wtih the game, not the AFK mechanic.
AFK is a mentality, not a symptom. CCP can, and should, make changes to both ISK gain and WP gain to discourage AFKing while not penalizing new players, but don't kid yourself - AFKing is an exploit, and it's rude and selfish, and indicates a douchebag behind the controls. It's like cutting in line, not technically illegal, but still a jackass move.
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