LAVs don't suck- it's just that the vast majority of players don't know how to use them.

Whoah, whoah, let's not blow this out of proportion. These are large vehicles using weapons that can fire rather small projectiles while still doing quite a bit of damage. Make that 80-100 for a Railgun and 600-800 for a Blaster.

We're talking about balance, not nerfing.

LAVs are weak. Too weak to be behind a tank while it goes into battle against AV spec'd players and other tanks.

You don't keep the LAV around the HAV.

In Planetside 2, I use a Sunderer with speed upgrades and Ammo Resupply racks. When I see a group of tanks, I drive up to them, drive through them to resupply them, and then fall back where I can't be shot.

LAVs are weak. Too weak to be behind a tank while it goes into battle against AV spec'd players and other tanks.

Limit Vehicle Ammo Supply

I've been wondering lately why HAVs and LAVs should have unlimited ammo - or installations for that matter. Without any reference to fairness or their relative OPness, doesn't it seem a bit unrealistic and out of sync for vehicles to have unlimited ammo when dropsuits do not?

Managing the ammo supply is part of running a dropsuit with any weapon, why not give vehicle users the same depth of experience? I, for one, think that they can handle the additional challenge.

I've discussed this idea with a few people and a few tankers (not to imply in any way that tankers aren't, in fact, people) and the response to it has been interesting and positive.-á

Incorporating the suggestions I've heard from folks thus far, I propose the following for your consideration:

• Add a vehicle-focused nanohive with similar fitting requirements as we have now.

Modify vehicles to have an ammo battery with a reasonable recharge rate.

Add modules that can be fitted to vehicles that increase ammo battery recharge rate

These seem to me to be reasonably simple things to incorporate that would add a great deal in terms of realism and depth of experience for those in the vehicle and those trying to kill it. In fact, if this idea has already been put out there, please ignore and get back to that bacon.

But what does the LLAV do while it's not with the tank? Hide? This is why I say no one will spec into them, from what I remember, LLAVs have a .5 damage modifier, so they can't go off and be useful battle units while they wait for the HAV to request more ammo.

All they could do is sit in a corner twiddling their thumbs, or stay behind the tank with a shield transporter/armor repper and get blown to smithereens by an intelligent AV user.

I'm confused as to what your point is now. I thought we were talking about LLAVs, if you are saying those should replace LLAVs when we get them, you should know just as well as I do what CCP's SOONGäó tactics are, LLAVs are all we will have for the next year at the least.

Meh, vehicles just have super good Nanohives where the ammo is supposed to go.

LAVs are weak. Too weak to be behind a tank while it goes into battle against AV spec'd players and other tanks.

Honestly, the main reason I'm behind this is because I see it providing additional roles for support players while also assisting with Infantry/Vehicle balance, and also hopefully encouraging more players to consider support specializations instead of having a game of nothing but "slayers".

Think about it. Your sitting inside a giant mechine (tank) why not just implant a huge nanite storage plant inside the belly of the beast? And for the price these things cost, IMO, that kitten should come factory standard.

Think about it. Your sitting inside a giant mechine (tank) why not just implant a huge nanite storage plant inside the belly of the beast? And for the price these things cost, IMO, that kitten should come factory standard.

{Edit>>> Dropsuits are a little different. Dropsuits are a relatively thin/light weight construction, meant to work in favor of a human's agility, at least as best as possible. Incorporating nanite tech would not necessarily be advantageous, which is why they are "optional" equipment. How do you like that for a logical aproach.

Do I want to see tanks pooping nanohives? No.

This is a bad idea HAV's have been hit with the Nerf hammer so many times they are almost flat. You should all be ashamed at such a suggestion.

This is a bad idea HAV's have been hit with the Nerf hammer so many times they are almost flat. You should all be ashamed at such a suggestion.

your idea is poorly fleshed out, so i can't say i support it.

though i wouldn't mind having a limited ammo supply per say. ammo would need to be easily enough accessible that vehicles are still usable.

tanks can sit but not for long, at all optimally you move every 15 sec or every kill. and i think you're neglecting the fact that dropships and LAVs are vehicles too, what's you brilliant plan to restock a dropship? LAVs can sit for roughly 5 sec. AV would need much nerf before vehicle ammo is reasonable, and a good way to restock flying dropships is needed.

also to whomever was saying 400-800 rounds blasters put out well above 400RPM that number is way low.

800 is low. thts 2 minutes of shooting. without overheating. So in theory you would last about 5-6 min before having to restock. That's if u use it constantly. Which no one does so your looking at a match having to restock once. Twice if ur trigger happy. Which in all honesty is not that much. Especially if ur in an armor tank with nitrous like most armor tanks. Shield tanks and mainly on the move or hiding so you wouldn't need as much ammo.

How about we make it the more ammo you carry the heavier you are and the less you would have to restock. Just an idea. Plus i think that would be neat to have.

Edit: Also for an idea have an invincible resupply station in ur base that could only be taken out by eve orbitals. Maybe an orbital thts meant for destroying instalations. Or 2-3 normal persison strikes.

Lol meant to click edit. XD silly me.

This topic is a no-brainer that has been beat to death.

Vehicles should have limited ammo just like infantry. Having a limitation on ammunition does not automatically mean your vehicle is underpowered.

Supply Depots already replenish armor when you drive a vehicle near them, and could do the same for ammunition. Logistics LAVs could also be given this ability, increasing their usefulness, and further rewarding those who spec into them.

The nanohives we use have a finite lifespan before deactivating, so the idea of mounting one in every vehicle doesn't hold water, and is just an excuse to keep things as they are out of irrational fear.

Keep in mind that vehicle ammunition could be capped in the hundreds, which would simply reduce the likelihood of such tactics as putting an HAV on top of a mountain as BAD FURRY has demonstrated is an excellent way to dominate a match without risk, while only requiring that people using vehicles on the ground with infantry have to drive past a Supply Depot or LLV for maybe 3-5 seconds every few minutes depending on how much they fire.

Rather than trying to mess up fitting by creating modules to increase ammo counts, just give vehicles a large supply of ammunition and a fairly fast replenish rate to keep them on a bit more even footing with the AV players trying to take them out.

I say this as an HAV driver in every single build since Replication.

Exactly. If infantry are required to carry nanohives or visit Supply Depots to replenish ammo reserves, why should all vehicles be exempt?

I'm just waiting for the threads demanding limited ammo for air vehicles while leaving ground vehicles unlimited once Fighters and the like come out. You know it's going to happen.

I don't think Fighters would be unfairly crippled by this change either. Having to land occasionally won't bother me at all.

However, it would be kind of neat if you could equip remote-resupply modules to a Logistics Dropship and use it as a flying ammo station.

Actually, that would eliminate the need for ground vehicles to return to a fixed supply point or work with a fragile LLV, and would provide Dropship pilots with more WP, which they've been asking about for quite a while.

I'll just solve this by redline railgun sniping bc i cant be too far away from my supply depot so when yall are hatin on me for it just remember it's your fault.