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Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:17:00 -
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You sound jelly Orin, if i buy you a booster when my merc pack gets refunded will you stop crying? |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:19:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:You sound jelly Orin, if i buy you a booster when my merc pack gets refunded will you stop crying?
Don't forget me or I will be jelly! |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
389
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:28:00 -
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Jelly doesn't even begin to describe my predicament. I am full on Jam, I'd go so far as to say marmalade! I am MARMALADE up in this thread. and CCP, you're TOAST! I'm going to SPREAD the word and get you all FRIED.
Man, now I want breakfast, and I haven't even had dinner yet.
Oh, yeah, and something something you suck Drud, CCP is OP, and Cats genitals smell funny. |
x-KOR-x
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
78
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:32:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Refund of ALL consumables
Refund of all 30 day booster packs consumed since TQ migration up to 5(number of months since TQ migration to release)
Wipe of all aurum bought items except BPOs and featured fits, weekly sale items
Refund of all AURUM not used to purchase Boosters
A bonus free merc pack to EVERYONE with a registered account up to the date of commercial release
A special exclusive ADV level BPO weapon of choice?(maybe not needed) but a good customer relations move. I agree 100%! Why stop there though? I think PFBHz should have a statue in all our merc HQ so everybody can have ART! We should also recieve 20% of all sales this BETA has made. Let us keep all our stats, our cheap BPO's that we bought before price raised. All weekly sales, and give us refund on all 30 days that we got! Also we demand 100 billion ISK in the PFBHz corp wallet. We also want 100M SP to all PFBHz members! The game should be called DUST514 : PFBHz Warfare. PFBHz should receive 100k Aur weekly! There should be a special PFBHz suit issued out to all it's members that is better than Proto (make it Pink and Black). Did I cover all demands PFBHz? If you can think of anything else please add on! We are sick and tired of being bullied by CCP! Push back!
...and Pink vehicles. +1 Xero for Forums President! |
MassiveNine
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
139
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:10:00 -
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x-KOR-x wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Refund of ALL consumables
Refund of all 30 day booster packs consumed since TQ migration up to 5(number of months since TQ migration to release)
Wipe of all aurum bought items except BPOs and featured fits, weekly sale items
Refund of all AURUM not used to purchase Boosters
A bonus free merc pack to EVERYONE with a registered account up to the date of commercial release
A special exclusive ADV level BPO weapon of choice?(maybe not needed) but a good customer relations move. I agree 100%! Why stop there though? I think PFBHz should have a statue in all our merc HQ so everybody can have ART! We should also recieve 20% of all sales this BETA has made. Let us keep all our stats, our cheap BPO's that we bought before price raised. All weekly sales, and give us refund on all 30 days that we got! Also we demand 100 billion ISK in the PFBHz corp wallet. We also want 100M SP to all PFBHz members! The game should be called DUST514 : PFBHz Warfare. PFBHz should receive 100k Aur weekly! There should be a special PFBHz suit issued out to all it's members that is better than Proto (make it Pink and Black). Did I cover all demands PFBHz? If you can think of anything else please add on! We are sick and tired of being bullied by CCP! Push back! ...and Pink vehicles. +1 Xero for Forums President!
I don't know about you guys, but I want a huge pink dildo stickout of of the front of my suit so I can really **** these losers. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:17:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:x-KOR-x wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Refund of ALL consumables
Refund of all 30 day booster packs consumed since TQ migration up to 5(number of months since TQ migration to release)
Wipe of all aurum bought items except BPOs and featured fits, weekly sale items
Refund of all AURUM not used to purchase Boosters
A bonus free merc pack to EVERYONE with a registered account up to the date of commercial release
A special exclusive ADV level BPO weapon of choice?(maybe not needed) but a good customer relations move. I agree 100%! Why stop there though? I think PFBHz should have a statue in all our merc HQ so everybody can have ART! We should also recieve 20% of all sales this BETA has made. Let us keep all our stats, our cheap BPO's that we bought before price raised. All weekly sales, and give us refund on all 30 days that we got! Also we demand 100 billion ISK in the PFBHz corp wallet. We also want 100M SP to all PFBHz members! The game should be called DUST514 : PFBHz Warfare. PFBHz should receive 100k Aur weekly! There should be a special PFBHz suit issued out to all it's members that is better than Proto (make it Pink and Black). Did I cover all demands PFBHz? If you can think of anything else please add on! We are sick and tired of being bullied by CCP! Push back! ...and Pink vehicles. +1 Xero for Forums President! I don't know about you guys, but I want a huge pink dildo stickout of of the front of my suit so I can really **** these losers.
I like this idea too.
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MassiveNine
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
139
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:47:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:MassiveNine wrote:x-KOR-x wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Refund of ALL consumables
Refund of all 30 day booster packs consumed since TQ migration up to 5(number of months since TQ migration to release)
Wipe of all aurum bought items except BPOs and featured fits, weekly sale items
Refund of all AURUM not used to purchase Boosters
A bonus free merc pack to EVERYONE with a registered account up to the date of commercial release
A special exclusive ADV level BPO weapon of choice?(maybe not needed) but a good customer relations move. I agree 100%! Why stop there though? I think PFBHz should have a statue in all our merc HQ so everybody can have ART! We should also recieve 20% of all sales this BETA has made. Let us keep all our stats, our cheap BPO's that we bought before price raised. All weekly sales, and give us refund on all 30 days that we got! Also we demand 100 billion ISK in the PFBHz corp wallet. We also want 100M SP to all PFBHz members! The game should be called DUST514 : PFBHz Warfare. PFBHz should receive 100k Aur weekly! There should be a special PFBHz suit issued out to all it's members that is better than Proto (make it Pink and Black). Did I cover all demands PFBHz? If you can think of anything else please add on! We are sick and tired of being bullied by CCP! Push back! ...and Pink vehicles. +1 Xero for Forums President! I don't know about you guys, but I want a huge pink dildo stickout of of the front of my suit so I can really **** these losers. I like this idea too.
I think if were going to go that far, we might as well ask for the huge balls to go with it. That way, when I'm dragging my balls across their face, they get the full effect. |
noob 45
Syndicate of Gods
35
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Wait, you actually feel entitled to all that extra SP just because you have money to waste on a game and others don't?
Since it was listed in the terms of sale, then yes they are entitled to it. There are things in the business world called contractual obligations and contract laws. Since the item description at the time of purchase for those people was worded that way, CCP is contractually obligated to uphold its end of the purchasing agreement just like we as customers have our own obligations when it comes to the purchasing agreement.
As far as business law is concerned contracts are binding obligations regardless of if it is fair or not for either party. That is why you should ALWAYS read everything before you sign your name or click 'I accept.' Ever heard the saying "read the fine print"? If you are ever unsure of what something means in a contract, have a professional legal advisor look it over.
If CCP doesn't uphold their end of the purchasing agreement they would open themselves up for breach of contract lawsuits from anyone that had purchased those merc packs. This would be a huge waste of their money and would probably mean the end of DUST514.
OR CCP could uphold their end of the purchasing agreement and re-issue the merc packs to those that bought the ones with those specific terms of sale. Considering everything they would be doing is just computer coding it would not cost CCP that much. At worst it might cost them possible future revenue from those people simply because they won't need to rebuy aurum as soon.
Unfortunately for me the merc packs that I bought didn't have this clause anymore. Those that did buy the merc pack while it had that wording have every right to ask for what they paid for. For some people that clause was reason enough to buy multiple merc packs. Personally CCP official statement that they "wouldn't do any more SP resets" is the reason that I bought merc packs for the boosters. If they do reset SP, OR do anything that decreases the effective value of the SP that i have worked to earn (such as doubling the sp cost of skills) I will quit the game and ask for a refund of my purchases.
Honestly if you have not bought anything in DUST514, then you should have no say at all in this matter as you have not made any material investment in this product like many others have and would be considered the lowest form of stakeholder for the game. If you are mad that some people had a chance at a great deal and took advantage of it, but you didn't.... Well too bad and I'm sorry that you feel this way. I wish I could have invested in Walmart or Apple 15 years ago too.
Telling CCP not to uphold their contractual agreement because you don't agree with it is childish and selfish. Doing so would destroy the game and their business and have adverse affects on the PSN and its reputation in general. Telling CCP to reset peoples SP or characters because they are asking for what they were promised is childish and selfish. Doing so would be a punishment for their paying customers and would destroy their game and business and would have adverse affects on the PSN. Simply going back against their official "no more SP resets" statement would destroy their game and business as there would no longer be any kind of consumer confidence or trust. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:22:00 -
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noob 45 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Wait, you actually feel entitled to all that extra SP just because you have money to waste on a game and others don't?
Since it was listed in the terms of sale, then yes they are entitled to it. There are things in the business world called contractual obligations and contract laws. Since the item description at the time of purchase for those people was worded that way, CCP is contractually obligated to uphold its end of the purchasing agreement just like we as customers have our own obligations when it comes to the purchasing agreement. As far as business law is concerned contracts are binding obligations regardless of if it is fair or not for either party. That is why you should ALWAYS read everything before you sign your name or click 'I accept.' Ever heard the saying "read the fine print"? If you are ever unsure of what something means in a contract, have a professional legal advisor look it over. If CCP doesn't uphold their end of the purchasing agreement they would open themselves up for breach of contract lawsuits from anyone that had purchased those merc packs. This would be a huge waste of their money and would probably mean the end of DUST514. OR CCP could uphold their end of the purchasing agreement and re-issue the merc packs to those that bought the ones with those specific terms of sale. Considering everything they would be doing is just computer coding it would not cost CCP that much. At worst it might cost them possible future revenue from those people simply because they won't need to rebuy aurum as soon. Unfortunately for me the merc packs that I bought didn't have this clause anymore. Those that did buy the merc pack while it had that wording have every right to ask for what they paid for. For some people that clause was reason enough to buy multiple merc packs. Personally CCP official statement that they "wouldn't do any more SP resets" is the reason that I bought merc packs for the boosters. If they do reset SP, OR do anything that decreases the effective value of the SP that i have worked to earn (such as doubling the sp cost of skills) I will quit the game and ask for a refund of my purchases. Honestly if you have not bought anything in DUST514, then you should have no say at all in this matter as you have not made any material investment in this product like many others have and would be considered the lowest form of stakeholder for the game. If you are mad that some people had a chance at a great deal and took advantage of it, but you didn't.... Well too bad and I'm sorry that you feel this way. I wish I could have invested in Walmart or Apple 15 years ago too. Telling CCP not to uphold their contractual agreement because you don't agree with it is childish and selfish. Doing so would destroy the game and their business and have adverse affects on the PSN and its reputation in general. Telling CCP to reset peoples SP or characters because they are asking for what they were promised is childish and selfish. Doing so would be a punishment for their paying customers and would destroy their game and business and would have adverse affects on the PSN. Simply going back against their official "no more SP resets" statement would destroy their game and business as there would no longer be any kind of consumer confidence or trust.
The game dieing is assuming you leave if they don't give ya extra AUR. We both know YOU nor any of the other guys crying for free boosters and AUR are gonna keep playing this game. IF ya don't they done made their money off you anyway. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2598
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:29:00 -
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All I know is if people want free stuff that they've already used, then they need to lose all the SP they gained via what they spent. I think it's pretty cut and dry. And that doesn't even take into account the advantage gained through AUR items, so I'd say they're pretty lucky.
You don't deserve to be boosted far ahead of others in SP because you bought something to boost yourself ahead of others in SP. That makes no sense. If you want your AUR back, cool, no problem, you just have to give back the SP that you spent that AUR to get, that's all.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1141
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:All I know is if people want free stuff that they've already used, then they need to lose all the SP they gained via what they spent. I think it's pretty cut and dry. And that doesn't even take into account the advantage gained through AUR items, so I'd say they're pretty lucky.
You don't deserve to be boosted far ahead of others in SP because you bought something to boost yourself ahead of others in SP. That makes no sense. If you want your AUR back, cool, no problem, you just have to give back the SP that you spent that AUR to get, that's all.
It's not about what you think people "deserve" it's about what was purchased. I haven't "already used" anything, because I haven't yet received the items in question. They are to be reimbursed at Commercial Release. It's something that hasn't happened yet.
I mean, I get what you think you mean, but you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of the Merc Pack, either through willful ignorance or poor reading comprehension. You are probably also applying a heavy helping of assumptions to the mix as well. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:39:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: If you want your AUR back, cool, no problem, you just have to give back the SP that you spent that AUR to get, that's all.
In a reasonable world filled with reasonable people that would be the correct way to go about this, but we're not in that world. We live in a world full of internet lawyers and people who want to eat their cake and still have it.
Though CCP hasn't really done anything to help the situation. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2599
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:43:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:It's not about what you think people "deserve" it's about what was purchased. I haven't "already used" anything, because I haven't yet received the items in question.
So wait, you haven't bought any AUR items and haven't received any extra SP via boosters?
Then in that case, you completely deserve your refund. I'm sorry I misunderstood you. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:49:00 -
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How about: you all shut up and wait for ccp to write dev blog about this? Or that makes too much sense to you all... |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Baal Roo wrote:It's not about what you think people "deserve" it's about what was purchased. I haven't "already used" anything, because I haven't yet received the items in question. So wait, you haven't bought any AUR items and haven't received any extra SP via boosters? Then in that case, you completely deserve your refund. I'm sorry I misunderstood you.
You misunderstood because he is in the wrong section of the forum about his situation. The fault is his not yours. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:51:00 -
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CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:52:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something!
Ya and me $100 on my psn account. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:53:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something!
Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:54:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release?
Over my dead body. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:55:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? Over my dead body.
No skin off my nose |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:55:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? CCP reserves the right to replace any and all items within the merc pack for "items of equal value". I'll let you do the math as to how many Neo Assault Suits that would actually get you |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:56:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Ya and me $100 on my psn account. I'm still pissed that Sony didn't give me 10 bucks |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:57:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? Over my dead body. No skin off my nose
You NOT getting any Aur might as well make peace with that. |
noob 45
Syndicate of Gods
38
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:24:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
The game dieing is assuming you leave if they don't give ya extra AUR. We both know YOU nor any of the other guys crying for free boosters and AUR are gonna keep playing this game. IF ya don't they done made their money off you anyway.
I hope you don't hold any power in PFBH. Either you can't read or you are the kind of dipstick that tries to talk down to people without reading what they said.
I'm not crying for free boosters or AUR. In fact I clearly said I didn't purchase a merc pack that had that offer. I did, however, explain why these consumers have the right to demand what they paid for.
Whether or not you are old enough to understand business and law doesn't change the fact that the 2 things exist.
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
317
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:25:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? Over my dead body.
You are going to kill yourself over someone else getting a contract fulfilled?
Sweet, talk about a bonus deal!
PSA: this post does not in any way encourage or positively suggest suicide. I do not encourage or want Xero to commit self harm. Xero, do not hurt yourself over people getting what the paid for. |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:26:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Refund of ALL consumables
Refund of all 30 day booster packs consumed since TQ migration up to 5(number of months since TQ migration to release)
Wipe of all aurum bought items except BPOs and featured fits, weekly sale items
Refund of all AURUM not used to purchase Boosters
A bonus free merc pack to EVERYONE with a registered account up to the date of commercial release
A special exclusive ADV level BPO weapon of choice?(maybe not needed) but a good customer relations move.
All CCP has to do is give everybody a 30 day omega active/Passive booster and i'm almost positive people will shut up. |
noob 45
Syndicate of Gods
39
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:All I know is if people want free stuff that they've already used, then they need to lose all the SP they gained via what they spent. I think it's pretty cut and dry. And that doesn't even take into account the advantage gained through AUR items, so I'd say they're pretty lucky.
You don't deserve to be boosted far ahead of others in SP because you bought something to boost yourself ahead of others in SP. That makes no sense. If you want your AUR back, cool, no problem, you just have to give back the SP that you spent that AUR to get, that's all.
Dude.... If they spent $20 to buy the merc pack and the item description said it would be re-issued on release, would you mind explaining to me what part of this is free? Is it the part where they spent $20 on it?
DUST Fiend wrote:You don't deserve to be boosted far ahead of others in SP because you bought something to boost yourself ahead of others in SP. That makes no sense.
Listen to yourself.
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Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
242
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:45:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Drud Green wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? Over my dead body. No skin off my nose You NOT getting any Aur might as well make peace with that.
And the source for your statement ? was there a CCP statement regarding this that you and only you have access to or you just spouting bullshit like you make the decision's on CCP's behalf.
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
531
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:48:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:CCP, just give these people 1000 Neo Assault suits or something! Or just the merc pack refunded at commercial release? Over my dead body. You are going to kill yourself over someone else getting a contract fulfilled? Sweet, talk about a bonus deal! PSA: this post does not in any way encourage or positively suggest suicide. I do not encourage or want Xero to commit self harm. Xero, do not hurt yourself over people getting what the paid for.
Why you covering your behind with legal jargon you can always just pull a CCP |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:53:00 -
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noob 45 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:All I know is if people want free stuff that they've already used, then they need to lose all the SP they gained via what they spent. I think it's pretty cut and dry. And that doesn't even take into account the advantage gained through AUR items, so I'd say they're pretty lucky.
You don't deserve to be boosted far ahead of others in SP because you bought something to boost yourself ahead of others in SP. That makes no sense. If you want your AUR back, cool, no problem, you just have to give back the SP that you spent that AUR to get, that's all.
Dude.... If they spent $20 to buy the merc pack and the item description said it would be re-issued on release, would you mind explaining to me what part of this is free? Is it the part where they spent $20 on it? DUST Fiend wrote:You don't deserve to be boosted far ahead of others in SP because you bought something to boost yourself ahead of others in SP. That makes no sense. Listen to yourself.
Dude is probably the biggest carebear on DUST. His tears will be delicious when i'm able to take his stuff. |
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