Just wondering how do we get it?? our corp is in an alliance but i dont see the name underneath our corp name, is there some way to add it in or what? unless its only available to the ones who created the alliance etc etc.

anyone know how to add it in or knows more about it than i do?

It requires you to have trained Empire Control to level 5, and the cost to create one is 1 billion ISK. Then there is a monthly upkeep of the alliance which costs 2 million per corp.


/c

im guessing this is also in the EVE skill section and not the dust skills?

so if we didnt do all that and just joined an alliance we wouldnt have the alliance name underneath the corp name?

Just wondering how do we get it?? our corp is in an alliance but i dont see the name underneath our corp name, is there some way to add it in or what? unless its only available to the ones who created the alliance etc etc.

anyone know how to add it in or knows more about it than i do?

Ahh yes Empire Control is in EVE.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that you currently can actually join a DUST corp to an alliance, there's no mechanics for that iirc. So all mercs you see posting here that are in an alliance, their corporation is also an EVE corp (like mine).

So until CCP allows DUST corps to join an alliance, you won't be able to have the name (obviously).

Hope I made sense, else I'll try explain it again

/c

Mostly correct

A Dust side created corp can join an EvE side created alliance. Simply an EvE player needs to be made CEO of the dust corp, they can then apply the corp to join the alliance in question, then hand CEO role back. This is what we did with EoN. And yes you have to make the alliance EvE side which requires some skills and 1bil isk

And just like that: Chribba discovers a new opportunity to employ his unique position in the cluster.

Can I say that me and Andy are in a "Coalition" or is it just "buddies" when there's only 2 of us?

Can I say that me and Andy are in a "Coalition" or is it just "buddies" when there's only 2 of us?

And just like that: Chribba discovers a new opportunity to employ his unique position in the cluster.

Alliances in DUST is something we know needs work. We are a bit unsure how DUST corporations are going to use alliances so we have not put a lot of work into it. As we better understand the needs of DUST corporations we will look at what alliances features should have priority on being implemented.

Things like displaying the alliance you are in, the ability to join an alliance, all these things need looking at and it is a matter of prioritization.

ahem *notices foxfour is in an allaince*

what was that you said?


/me has noticed most top corps being in an allaince, seems they work a lot like in EVE.....

Work, as in technically, a lot like EVE yes because they can only be joined with the EVE client and only managed with the EVE client.

Socially though we are noticing differences in DUST when compared to EVE.

wouldn't that be more along the lines of what us mercs are responsible for?

read a lot of articles about how you (CCP) provide the mechanics and the players run wold with them.

would suggest releasing it like it is in eve and then tweaking it based on player feedback

That is exactly my point though, what we release is a set of tools. The tools though should be based on what you guys need and want. We could just straight up implement it as it is in EVE, but we may be spending development time on things you guys don't actually use. Equally important though is that maybe there are some things we can do to make alliances work better for you guys in DUST.

As it stands alliances do work, so long as you have an EVE player in your corporation to join. With Uprising we are adding alliance chat, alliance mail, and bonuses for owning districts that apply to your entire alliance. So we are working on it and as I said we are monitoring how you guys use alliances to see what tools you need most.

That is exactly my point though, what we release is a set of tools. The tools though should be based on what you guys need and want. We could just straight up implement it as it is in EVE, but we may be spending development time on things you guys don't actually use. Equally important though is that maybe there are some things we can do to make alliances work better for you guys in DUST.

As it stands alliances do work, so long as you have an EVE player in your corporation to join. With Uprising we are adding alliance chat, alliance mail, and bonuses for owning districts that apply to your entire alliance. So we are working on it and as I said we are monitoring how you guys use alliances to see what tools you need most.

Alliances in DUST is something we know needs work. We are a bit unsure how DUST corporations are going to use alliances so we have not put a lot of work into it. As we better understand the needs of DUST corporations we will look at what alliances features should have priority on being implemented.

Things like displaying the alliance you are in, the ability to join an alliance, all these things need looking at and it is a matter of prioritization.

(1) CCP: Let's wait and see what features they need for alliances.

(2) Alliances: Well it looks like CCP isn't giving us very many features. We'll just have to do our best without them.

(3) CCP: Alliances don't seem to need additional mechanics. They're doing just fine managing with the current set.

(4) -> Nothing happens

Send alliance mail (from Dust client)

Add clones to other corps' districts if they are in your alliance

Open contracts, attacking and defending, for other alliance corporations to fill

I want everyone working on Dust 514 at CCP to take your thoughts that FPS gamers are somehow more disorganized than Eve players and don't need the same management tools, ball those thoughts up, and throw them so hard that they make it nearly to California before they drown in the ocean.

As I've said before, the little suggestions constantly dropped by CCP on that front are condescending and downright wrong.

If the fact that 2 of the 20 biggest alliances in New Eden are Dust-centric only 4 months after you put us on Tranquility isn't enough to convince you otherwise, I'm not really sure what will.

ONE UNIVERSE, ONE WAR

TL;DR: With alliances and interaction, it's about time to get on the ball. "Wait and see" sounds a lot like "deal with how bad it is while we procrastinate".

This is flat out wrong. We know they are a need addition and that you guys want them. Never said otherwise.

I am sorry you think we feel that way. We don't. Corporations and alliances are the reason EVE is still around after 10 years. It is not just about organization it is about building relationships, friendships, and just building something together. It is these strong social bonds that have kept EVE alive for so long. We have people come to Fanfest who have not played the game in years. Trust me, we know how important they are to you guys.

Not sure what suggestions you are talking about. We expect alliances and corporations to be used differently in DUST than they are in EVE. Not that DUST players are not capable of using alliance because they are FPS players or something. I cannot stress this enough, corporations and alliances are one of the most important features to the game. When we look at things like the new star map we are constantly looking at it and saying "how can we show off corporations or alliances somehow" because we want to show off what you guys accomplish.

I am really sorry we have gotten to the point that you feel we are procrastinating. There are a lot of us here putting in a lot of extra time just trying to get Uprising out the door and to get ready for Fanfest. We have to balance what we think is top priority for the game as a whole. For this team it meant planetary conquest was a higher priority than alliances. We also have other things we want to get done and ready before full alliance support. That in no way though means we do not want to do alliances or in any way feel that they are not important.
We love this product, we love this community, and we want to produce the best thing possible. We can't please everyone though, and I am sorry if you feel we have let you down.
Back to work with me for now.

STUFF

I am sorry you think we feel that way. We don't. Corporations and alliances are the reason EVE is still around after 10 years. It is not just about organization it is about building relationships, friendships, and just building something together. It is these strong social bonds that have kept EVE alive for so long. We have people come to Fanfest who have not played the game in years. Trust me, we know how important they are to you guys.

I am really sorry we have gotten to the point that you feel we are procrastinating.

The current Dust alliances have been requesting features for a long time, and they've been very consistent feature sets. There are also dead-bang OBVIOUS features with the upcoming PC rollout that you're not providing to alliances. If I can use a CCP member's name, your reasoning in a logic loop:


(1) CCP: Let's wait and see what features they need for alliances.

(2) Alliances: Well it looks like CCP isn't giving us very many features. We'll just have to do our best without them.

(3) CCP: Alliances don't seem to need additional mechanics. They're doing just fine managing with the current set.

(4) -> Nothing happens



These are the things that don't need looking over, don't need to be questioned, and do need to be implemented. There is no waiting for these, because alliances will eventually compensate at the cost of burning out the leaders and managers who drive the human drama you're hoping to emulate from Eve Online:


Core alliance management:

Unless you plan to change the entirety of the alliance experience in New Eden, the Dust client needs to be able to do the following, provided the correct permissions:

Create alliances

Apply to alliances

Vote for executor

Leave alliances

Send alliance mail (from Dust client)

etc

So basically all the management tools that are independent of physical items in space or on the ground. If I could do the action in a station and no in-game items change their current locations for doing it, it's something that needs to be around in Dust's client. If there are pieces and parts that aren't used, I'll guarantee you that they're not used on the Eve side of things either.




Planetary Conquest Interaction:

If you do not provide the proper tools for alliances to cooperate with each other in PC, they will simply find workarounds. Not providing cooperation mechanics in PC for alliances only serves to punish smaller entities. Big alliances with tons of resources will be able to justify and effect workarounds at the cost of large down payments of resources in terms of both manpower and ISK. Smaller groups don't have that luxury.

These are obvious features that will just be worked around in their absence:

Add clones to other corps' districts if they are in your alliance

Open contracts, attacking and defending, for other alliance corporations to fill

Item trading should increase interactivity between Dust corporations within an alliance, and it would be great to see the alliance hangar concept implemented on the Dust side.



Needless to say that there needs to be more interaction between Dust and Eve added on all levels of gameplay. Even with the changes reported in the PC dev blog and on the PC Wiki page, interaction is slim to none. At best War Barge strikes should be removed while in PC, but something smacks me that this won't happen. Unless the PI bonuses are much better than anyone expects, you're not going to see many entities with the desire to hold both ground and space targets to the point of justifying having a stationary object in a hot zone on the Eve side.


Interaction between Dust and Eve has to be a crucial component of the next updates to both games. Yeah, everybody knows you've been going slow, but "So slow that nobody cares enough to notice when it's enough" is too slow.

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I want everyone working on Dust 514 at CCP to take your thoughts that FPS gamers are somehow more disorganized than Eve players and don't need the same management tools, ball those thoughts up, and throw them so hard that they make it nearly to California before they drown in the ocean. As I've said before, the little suggestions constantly dropped by CCP on that front are condescending and downright wrong. If the fact that 2 of the 20 biggest alliances in New Eden are Dust-centric only 4 months after you put us on Tranquility isn't enough to convince you otherwise, I'm not really sure what will.


ONE UNIVERSE, ONE WAR

Your words, not mine.

TL;DR: With alliances and interaction, it's about time to get on the ball. "Wait and see" sounds a lot like "deal with how bad it is while we procrastinate".