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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2013.04.16 21:49:00 -
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Alliances in DUST is something we know needs work. We are a bit unsure how DUST corporations are going to use alliances so we have not put a lot of work into it. As we better understand the needs of DUST corporations we will look at what alliances features should have priority on being implemented.
Things like displaying the alliance you are in, the ability to join an alliance, all these things need looking at and it is a matter of prioritization. |
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.16 21:56:00 -
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Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Alliances in DUST is something we know needs work. We are a bit unsure how DUST corporations are going to use alliances so we have not put a lot of work into it. As we better understand the needs of DUST corporations we will look at what alliances features should have priority on being implemented.
Things like displaying the alliance you are in, the ability to join an alliance, all these things need looking at and it is a matter of prioritization. ahem *notices foxfour is in an allaince* what was that you said? /me has noticed most top corps being in an allaince, seems they work a lot like in EVE.....
Work, as in technically, a lot like EVE yes because they can only be joined with the EVE client and only managed with the EVE client.
Socially though we are noticing differences in DUST when compared to EVE. |
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:11:00 -
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Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote:wouldn't that be more along the lines of what us mercs are responsible for? read a lot of articles about how you (CCP) provide the mechanics and the players run wold with them. would suggest releasing it like it is in eve and then tweaking it based on player feedback 
That is exactly my point though, what we release is a set of tools. The tools though should be based on what you guys need and want. We could just straight up implement it as it is in EVE, but we may be spending development time on things you guys don't actually use. Equally important though is that maybe there are some things we can do to make alliances work better for you guys in DUST.
As it stands alliances do work, so long as you have an EVE player in your corporation to join. With Uprising we are adding alliance chat, alliance mail, and bonuses for owning districts that apply to your entire alliance. So we are working on it and as I said we are monitoring how you guys use alliances to see what tools you need most. |
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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:58:00 -
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Just a quick response as I am super swamped with Fanfest preparation, if you want a full response poke me after Fanfest.
Quote:(1) CCP: Let's wait and see what features they need for alliances.
(2) Alliances: Well it looks like CCP isn't giving us very many features. We'll just have to do our best without them.
(3) CCP: Alliances don't seem to need additional mechanics. They're doing just fine managing with the current set.
(4) -> Nothing happens
This is flat out wrong. We know they are a need addition and that you guys want them. Never said otherwise.
In Uprising we are adding alliance mail and alliance chat. So this isn't just us saying we know, we are adding features for alliances to DUST with Uprising.
Quote:Send alliance mail (from Dust client)
See above, this is coming.
Quote:Add clones to other corps' districts if they are in your alliance
We actually purposely did this the opposite. We purposely made it so that corporations within an alliance do attacks instead of moves. I don't have time to go into the full details of this, but it is open to change if we really feel it should be, but we currently like it the way it is.
Quote:Open contracts, attacking and defending, for other alliance corporations to fill
This isn't really an Alliance feature, contracts in general is a huge feature that we know is wanted/needed but is not Alliance specific. It is a much bigger topic that is all of it own.
Quote:I want everyone working on Dust 514 at CCP to take your thoughts that FPS gamers are somehow more disorganized than Eve players and don't need the same management tools, ball those thoughts up, and throw them so hard that they make it nearly to California before they drown in the ocean.
I am sorry you think we feel that way. We don't. Corporations and alliances are the reason EVE is still around after 10 years. It is not just about organization it is about building relationships, friendships, and just building something together. It is these strong social bonds that have kept EVE alive for so long. We have people come to Fanfest who have not played the game in years. Trust me, we know how important they are to you guys.
Quote:As I've said before, the little suggestions constantly dropped by CCP on that front are condescending and downright wrong.
Not sure what suggestions you are talking about. We expect alliances and corporations to be used differently in DUST than they are in EVE. Not that DUST players are not capable of using alliance because they are FPS players or something. I cannot stress this enough, corporations and alliances are one of the most important features to the game. When we look at things like the new star map we are constantly looking at it and saying "how can we show off corporations or alliances somehow" because we want to show off what you guys accomplish.
Quote:If the fact that 2 of the 20 biggest alliances in New Eden are Dust-centric only 4 months after you put us on Tranquility isn't enough to convince you otherwise, I'm not really sure what will.
Those numbers change a lot when you only count people active in the last 30 days. Either way, yes we are aware. Uprising was planned a while ago though. If we added full alliance support before planetary conquest what would that have accomplished? We have never said no to doing alliances properly in DUST. It is going to take time and effort though and it is being prioritized against a lot of other things.
Quote:ONE UNIVERSE, ONE WAR
We still stand by that.
Quote:TL;DR: With alliances and interaction, it's about time to get on the ball. "Wait and see" sounds a lot like "deal with how bad it is while we procrastinate".
I am really sorry we have gotten to the point that you feel we are procrastinating. There are a lot of us here putting in a lot of extra time just trying to get Uprising out the door and to get ready for Fanfest. We have to balance what we think is top priority for the game as a whole. For this team it meant planetary conquest was a higher priority than alliances. We also have other things we want to get done and ready before full alliance support. That in no way though means we do not want to do alliances or in any way feel that they are not important.
We love this product, we love this community, and we want to produce the best thing possible. We can't please everyone though, and I am sorry if you feel we have let you down.
Back to work with me for now. |
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