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Zooka Booom
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Hmm, how nice to hear that after coming back from a ceremony about that. Lost most of my family there from my father's side. The only two people who survived were my grandmother and her mother, out of 12 family members. I find this extremely offensive and I would like CCP to either ban him or change his name.
I have reported it and they will take it away. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
485
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:50:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:I don't understand why theres so much hype these days over things that happened about 70 years ago. What the ***** did was terrible yes, but theres a point where people have to move on. If I were to name my character based off any of the major empires that have risen and fallen in the last thousand years (which have no doubt also performed terrible deeds as well), would I get this much flak for it??
For example.... if I named myself "Vlad the Impaler" Would I get reported because my name is the same as a king who, for pleasure, had massive spikes plowed through people while they were still alive?? In my opinion the brutality showed between both the ***** and vlad were on a similar level, yet I doubt I would get in trouble for using vlad as a name.
In fact the only difference these days is that people have a few grandparents/ great grandparents who "lived when it happened" but that's kind of a mute point anyway because I doubt anyone who is 70 and older is actually playing this game to begin with. So what then? its offensive to jews? I mean I guess you can justify that but again I want to just tell me to to "move on"...... 70 years is not that long. And the main reason people cling is because there are people alive who lived through it. I know some people who have the mark the N-a-z-i's put on them. There are thousands of people like that, not just 10, 20, or 200. There have been barely a few generations between then and now.
For a lot of people, its still very much fresh even 70 years later. And I think it would take a long time before a Jew could brush off the fact that 6 million of his people died in 7 years. |
xaerael Kabiel
Immobile Infantry
33
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:57:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: 70 years is not that long. And the main reason people cling is because there are people alive who lived through it. I know some people who have the mark N-a-z-i's put on them. There are thousands of people like that, not just 10, 20, or 200. There have been barely a few generations between then and now.
There's also a massive difference between vague and inconsistent stories of a centuries old historical figure's antics which can't be verified other than what someone wrote or painted (i.e., citation needed!), and events that occurred in living memory which involve gruesome war crimes. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
485
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:59:00 -
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xaerael Kabiel wrote:Cat Merc wrote: 70 years is not that long. And the main reason people cling is because there are people alive who lived through it. I know some people who have the mark N-a-z-i's put on them. There are thousands of people like that, not just 10, 20, or 200. There have been barely a few generations between then and now.
There's also a massive difference between vague and inconsistent stories of a centuries old historical figure's antics which can't be verified other than what someone wrote or painted (i.e., citation needed!), and events that occurred in living memory which involve gruesome war crimes. That too. My grandmother died not too long ago, I never got much information from her about it. Everytime I asked, she teared up and couldn't say anything. |
loumanchew
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:25:00 -
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Notice how this thread turned into ''I'm a jew, pity me''?
There are 5500 Africans dying everyday. That's 2 millions a year. 14 million in 7 years. And it's happening NOW.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:46:00 -
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loumanchew wrote:Notice how this thread turned into ''I'm a jew, pity me''?
There are 5500 Africans dying everyday. That's 2 millions a year. 14 million in 7 years. And it's happening NOW.
It turned into that because the offence was relevant to the holocaust. Perhaps you should be more sensitive? |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
485
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:loumanchew wrote:Notice how this thread turned into ''I'm a jew, pity me''?
There are 5500 Africans dying everyday. That's 2 millions a year. 14 million in 7 years. And it's happening NOW.
It turned into that because the offence was relevant to the holocaust. Perhaps you should be more sensitive? Sensitivity? On the internet? lol |
Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
157
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:51:00 -
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To the people crying censorship: Don't pretend that a name invoking the holocaust wasn't meant to offend, and nothing more. Making a toon name like that isn't starting a real discussion on the subject, and this isn't Naked Lunch or Ulysses we're talking about. |
General Sideboob
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:17:00 -
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JohnFlash wrote:I hope they have someone looking over what people name there mercs because some is just WRONG. Like the one is just saw in game.
party at Auschwitz
Do you really find this name okey???
I was trying to figure out how to report that guy yesterday. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
485
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:05:00 -
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Spacetits CDXX wrote:To the people crying censorship: Don't pretend that a name invoking the holocaust wasn't meant to offend, and nothing more. Making a toon name like that isn't starting a real discussion on the subject, and this isn't Naked Lunch or Ulysses we're talking about. Could you please rephrase that somehow? I don't understand what you mean. |
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Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:32:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Spacetits CDXX wrote:To the people crying censorship: Don't pretend that a name invoking the holocaust wasn't meant to offend, and nothing more. Making a toon name like that isn't starting a real discussion on the subject, and this isn't Naked Lunch or Ulysses we're talking about. Could you please rephrase that somehow? I don't understand what you mean.
I meant that
A) those kind of names in particular are only meant to offend. Usually "censorship", in a broader sense, is associated with stifling ideas or discourse. This simply isn't the case here because there is no discourse going on, it's just a name someone picked to see who he could rile up.
B) a username is not in the same category of speech as, for example, literature. Both of the books I mentioned have been censored/banned in various locales, and were later defended on the grounds of having artistic merit (the basis of the US and UK court decisions, at least). Somebody's username is not something you can seriously argue a defence of on those grounds. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
419
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:56:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:I don't understand why theres so much hype these days over things that happened about 70 years ago. What the ***** did was terrible yes, but theres a point where people have to move on. If I were to name my character based off any of the major empires that have risen and fallen in the last thousand years (which have no doubt also performed terrible deeds as well), would I get this much flak for it??
For example.... if I named myself "Vlad the Impaler" Would I get reported because my name is the same as a king who, for pleasure, had massive spikes plowed through people while they were still alive?? In my opinion the brutality showed between both the ***** and vlad were on a similar level, yet I doubt I would get in trouble for using vlad as a name.
In fact the only difference these days is that people have a few grandparents/ great grandparents who "lived when it happened" but that's kind of a mute point anyway because I doubt anyone who is 70 and older is actually playing this game to begin with. So what then? its offensive to jews? I mean I guess you can justify that but again I want to just tell me to to "move on"...... moot point, not mute point |
Warpfiend Thanos
Destruction Initiative Enterprise
5
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:07:00 -
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JohnFlash wrote:I hope they have someone looking over what people name there mercs because some is just WRONG. Like the one is just saw in game.
party at Auschwitz
Do you really find this name okey??? You must be from USA...
But I stand firmly against all **** behavior, such as censorship. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:24:00 -
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Warpfiend Thanos wrote:JohnFlash wrote:I hope they have someone looking over what people name there mercs because some is just WRONG. Like the one is just saw in game.
party at Auschwitz
Do you really find this name okey??? You must be from USA... But I stand firmly against all **** behavior, such as censorship.
Im sure that there are plenty of people in Isreal that would find it offensive as well.
I doesnt matter what your political beliefs are anyway. CCP sets the rules and people are expected to abide by them when playing their game and speaking on their forum. If you dont like it, you are free to leave and say whatever you want elsewhere. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
153
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:39:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Anyone who is saying HTFU should probably know we do take action against people who have offensive names. Please report them through our support mechanisms and we'll deal with them.
glad to hear it. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
145
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:18:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:VulvaOfTheYeast wrote:If something as slight as a name bothers you, perhaps all you Dust and Eve players should...
...wait for it...
...HTFU!
For once, that silly acronym applies. Bunch of pansies! The word "Auschwitz" is the name of the N A Z I death camp (now a museum) in Germany that reportedly killed more Jews during WWII than any other such camps. It's not just a name. Someone chose to reveal their idiocy and show their disregard for the lost lives. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? Why are you getting your panties in a bunch over people wanting to do something about it?
Lol why are you getting your panties in a bunch over me getting mine in a bunch? My serious answer is because it's a bunch of whining. You start with names because someone finds something offensive and end up with a game where unicorns throws marshmellows at each other because otherwise FPS promotes violence. I don't want you or anyone else impose restrictions on what I can name my character. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
82
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:21:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:VulvaOfTheYeast wrote:If something as slight as a name bothers you, perhaps all you Dust and Eve players should...
...wait for it...
...HTFU!
For once, that silly acronym applies. Bunch of pansies! The word "Auschwitz" is the name of the N A Z I death camp (now a museum) in Germany that reportedly killed more Jews during WWII than any other such camps. It's not just a name. Someone chose to reveal their idiocy and show their disregard for the lost lives. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? Why are you getting your panties in a bunch over people wanting to do something about it? Lol why are you getting your panties in a bunch over me getting mine in a bunch? My serious answer is because it's a bunch of whining. You start with names because someone finds something offensive and end up with a game where unicorns throws marshmellows at each other because otherwise FPS promotes violence. I don't want you or anyone else impose restrictions on what I can name my character.
Too late, CCP already reserves the right to change your name if it is found to be offensive.
If it troubles you that much, you're always welcome to leave. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
145
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:27:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:I think there is some reason to be upset over a name like that, especially if you were a Jew or had family members who went through that. Like if someone had the name Sandy Hook playground, or That Columbine Kid. Most people around the world wouldn't get the names, but to suggest that the names weren't meant to stir the pot is ludicrous.
And if you are not a Jew. Would that be ok then? If ppl who were gassed there not only Jews vs only Jews vs just ppl of an unspecified nationality. Would that make any difference to you from a moral stand point? You think most ppl around the world would not know this one of the biggest atrocities perpetrated in human history? I don't even know if I should call this shortsighted or ignorant. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
82
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:33:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:William HBonney wrote:I think there is some reason to be upset over a name like that, especially if you were a Jew or had family members who went through that. Like if someone had the name Sandy Hook playground, or That Columbine Kid. Most people around the world wouldn't get the names, but to suggest that the names weren't meant to stir the pot is ludicrous. And if you are not a Jew. Would that be ok then? If ppl who were gassed there not only Jews vs only Jews vs just ppl of an unspecified nationality. Would that make any difference to you from a moral stand point? You think most ppl around the world would not know this one of the biggest atrocities perpetrated in human history? I don't even know if I should call this shortsighted or ignorant.
Jewish people were not the only people killed there on an industrial scale, there were others too.
Wikipedia wrote:Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition,[9][10] and some use the common noun "holocaust" to describe other **** mass murders, including those of Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, and homosexuals.[11][12] Recent estimates based on figures obtained since the fall of the Soviet Union indicates some ten to eleven million civilians and prisoners of war were intentionally murdered by the **** regime.[13][14]
Just in case you wanted to read the whole article.
The Holocaust |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
145
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:35:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:
Lol why are you getting your panties in a bunch over me getting mine in a bunch? My serious answer is because it's a bunch of whining. You start with names because someone finds something offensive and end up with a game where unicorns throws marshmellows at each other because otherwise FPS promotes violence. I don't want you or anyone else impose restrictions on what I can name my character.
Too late, CCP already reserves the right to change your name if it is found to be offensive.
If it troubles you that much, you're always welcome to leave.[/quote]
Yeah well you should have your father fight your battles too. Not just hid behind CCP. I have an opinion that is pertinent in the current discussion. I am happy to share it with you (clearly you did find it interesting enough to comment on) or CCP. If it's too disquieting to you, well why, you are always welcome to leave from my standpoint. |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
145
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:37:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:William HBonney wrote:I think there is some reason to be upset over a name like that, especially if you were a Jew or had family members who went through that. Like if someone had the name Sandy Hook playground, or That Columbine Kid. Most people around the world wouldn't get the names, but to suggest that the names weren't meant to stir the pot is ludicrous. And if you are not a Jew. Would that be ok then? If ppl who were gassed there not only Jews vs only Jews vs just ppl of an unspecified nationality. Would that make any difference to you from a moral stand point? You think most ppl around the world would not know this one of the biggest atrocities perpetrated in human history? I don't even know if I should call this shortsighted or ignorant. Jewish people were not the only people killed there on an industrial scale, there were others too. Wikipedia wrote:Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition,[9][10] and some use the common noun "holocaust" to describe other **** mass murders, including those of Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, and homosexuals.[11][12] Recent estimates based on figures obtained since the fall of the Soviet Union indicates some ten to eleven million civilians and prisoners of war were intentionally murdered by the **** regime.[13][14] Just in case you wanted to read the whole article. The Holocaust
Oh really? Is it not obvious that this is exactly my point. Did you even read what I had to say or you were too engrossed into your own profound thought? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
82
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:41:00 -
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Wow, just ******* wow, I inform you of something that is legitimately a policy of CCPs and you go off on a tantrum. I'm not even going to bother attempting to reason with you.
In closing though, you should really lrn2quote. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
149
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:24:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Wow, just ******* wow, I inform you of something that is legitimately a policy of CCPs and you go off on a tantrum. I'm not even going to bother attempting to reason with you.
In closing though, you should really lrn2quote.
Nah, lets be fair you did not just inform me of anything. You told to leave the game because my opnion was different than yours and you used a CCP policy quote, so you don't have to even attempt to reason. Apparently you can only copy paste from other sources. So I do understand you rhesidtation to attempt to reason. Btw you did not see a nice row of asterisks in my reply but I see one in yours - so it's not me who is throwing a tantrum. Seems like you are eager to duck from this discussion - that's fine with me. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
487
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Posted - 2013.04.16 07:27:00 -
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Spacetits CDXX wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Spacetits CDXX wrote:To the people crying censorship: Don't pretend that a name invoking the holocaust wasn't meant to offend, and nothing more. Making a toon name like that isn't starting a real discussion on the subject, and this isn't Naked Lunch or Ulysses we're talking about. Could you please rephrase that somehow? I don't understand what you mean. I meant that A) those kind of names in particular are only meant to offend. Usually "censorship", in a broader sense, is associated with stifling ideas or discourse. This simply isn't the case here because there is no discourse going on, it's just a name someone picked to see who he could rile up. B) a username is not in the same category of speech as, for example, literature. Both of the books I mentioned have been censored/banned in various locales, and were later defended on the grounds of having artistic merit (the basis of the US and UK court decisions, at least). Somebody's username is not something you can seriously argue a defence of on those grounds. Well then I agree with that. |
Zooka Booom
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:16:00 -
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Warpfiend Thanos wrote:JohnFlash wrote:I hope they have someone looking over what people name there mercs because some is just WRONG. Like the one is just saw in game.
party at Auschwitz
Do you really find this name okey??? You must be from USA... But I stand firmly against all **** behavior, such as censorship.
No im a scandinavian |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
6
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:39:00 -
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I actually played a few rounds with Party at Auschwitz, it was just an alt character. The next day, his alt and main got kicked from my corp after an argument that broke out from the alt's name. Sadly, he was a real team player with excellent leadership qualities and would make a good squad leader. Hope he learned his lesson at least.... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
890
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:42:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:
Lol why are you getting your panties in a bunch over me getting mine in a bunch? My serious answer is because it's a bunch of whining. You start with names because someone finds something offensive and end up with a game where unicorns throws marshmellows at each other because otherwise FPS promotes violence. I don't want you or anyone else impose restrictions on what I can name my character.
When you create a game, you can name your character whatever you want, but this is not your game, this is CCP's game, and if they find that your name could be offensive to others, then they have the right to change it as they see fit.
You can call it whining, but the facts are that somebody chose that name with either the intention to offend, or to promote offensive views, and therefore broke CCP's rules. CCP can decide whether they actually do something about it or not.
Edit: Also, I have a pantie fetish |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
161
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:26:00 -
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Wow this thread is still going. I have to say that i've actually had my mind changed by some well made points. It doesn't happen often. Well done people. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
155
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Posted - 2013.04.17 07:22:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:
Lol why are you getting your panties in a bunch over me getting mine in a bunch? My serious answer is because it's a bunch of whining. You start with names because someone finds something offensive and end up with a game where unicorns throws marshmellows at each other because otherwise FPS promotes violence. I don't want you or anyone else impose restrictions on what I can name my character.
When you create a game, you can name your character whatever you want, but this is not your game, this is CCP's game, and if they find that your name could be offensive to others, then they have the right to change it as they see fit. You can call it whining, but the facts are that somebody chose that name with either the intention to offend, or to promote offensive views, and therefore broke CCP's rules. CCP can decide whether they actually do something about it or not. Edit: Also, I have a pantie fetish
Well, here is the thing. Now you have convinced me. You have the right of it. Here is how I think I should apply my new clarity of vision. Your name is very offensive to me because it is one of the deadly sins and offends my religious feelings. I think you should be reported to CCP and your caracter either erased or you made change the name. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
155
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Posted - 2013.04.17 07:25:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I actually played a few rounds with Party at Auschwitz, it was just an alt character. The next day, his alt and main got kicked from my corp after an argument that broke out from the alt's name. Sadly, he was a real team player with excellent leadership qualities and would make a good squad leader. Hope he learned his lesson at least....
This is exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about. The guy had a douche name and got punished by the community. Ppl did not want to associate with him. But wait, the miracle trick is that there was no CCP involved, no police action, just sound reason and sound action from sound members of the community. |
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