ok first off i am a dedicated heavy type 5 im running a vk0 2 synapse extenders and mehnir repairer and samson goliath plates with a enhanced sheild recharger total is 232 sheild and 932 armor or somthing close .. heres the problem with all that on me i move about as fast as a school bus on ice turn just as bad my broadside has the range of a slingshot ( my sharp shooting is lvl 4 ) i have sp in all the right places and yet if im caught alone 1v1 an assult as im shooting hes playing neo from the matrix side stepping jumping up and down and before you know it half a clip from him and woops im dead ... i know it would be unfair and the game would be dominated if the hmg was as powerfull as the ar but i mean already were the slowest class out there and our hmgs dont have anything for stopping power or range but this is ridiculus somthings gotta give either give us more range or more hitting power i have no problem taking a half hour to get somewhere on foot but cut the fat guys some slack

Here we go again.

I think the main thing is people get angry about assault vs heavy like they are supposed to have the same job.

If you're angry because a class you fight is able to do what you're doing better then you're problem is your in the wrong dropsuit. Because you're trying to play that role in the wrong suit.

SP Refund May 6th, start some CCP appreciation threads because they just helped you out. Afterwards it isn't their fault if you didn't realize your mistake.

If anything, heavies should be made more dependant on their squad, not less.

and No, a squad of heavies isn't what I mean.

A squad of heavies and a logi.

Run with another heavy. not to many light weapons that can drop two with one mag.

Run with another heavy. not to many light weapons that can drop two with one mag.

My militia AR disagrees. Heavies need a small arms (light/sidearm) resistance buff, but not before they become the specialized platform they're supposed to be in terms of skill training.

a militia AR killing 2 heavies they were very bad heavies then

Bad militia heavies

Militia forge gun heavies they had it coming

run a heavy witt three logi using the triage repper, really funny how long you can stand in the middle of the street with the HMG blazing away

Working as intended.

On a side note... HEAVYS NEED a buff to their adv/ proto suits. At LEAST 3 lows for proto...

...my broadside has the range of a slingshot...

I'd rather have the third low than the 3rd high

heavy is far from useless but no way assault suits should be able to get 500 shields. dont heavies have 500? thats crazy. they need to fix it.

The problem is that Heavy scaling is terrible once you get into advanced and proto suits.

You get half the benefits the other suit tiers get (excluding Scouts, they deserve some looking at as well) while the cost climbs stupidly high.

What's the point in paying 90k a suit when it only earns you a single slot? And then the VK. 1 is even worse.

The same thing applies to HMGs and forge guns, I had logi fits in closed beta that were less expensive than the assault forge gun.

It's impossible to look at the stats and prices for the adv. and proto heavy stuff and wonder 'Why would anyone even pay for this...?'

A heavy machine gun was always a weapon designed to be supported. If you look at its foundation during WW1 and WW2, a HMG would typically be supported by up to 8 regular infantry. That you are losing 1v1 at a closer range is not surprising. I am not going to go into the is this to strong or is this not strong enough, but just wanted to speak as to the typical design element of the weapon and how your post goes against the design of the weapon.

I am not a heavy and I have to agree. I just read and it looks like heavies got screwed. 100 more armor and 1 slot. Plus... how much more from A to B to Proto? I don't think the cost is worth it. Kinda feels like you are paying for a paint job.

Kinda sad, on a scout suit, I've shot guned a few of these. I feel horrible doing it.

ok first off i am a dedicated heavy type 5 im running a vk0 2 synapse extenders and mehnir repairer and samson goliath plates with a enhanced sheild recharger total is 232 sheild and 932 armor or somthing close .. heres the problem with all that on me i move about as fast as a school bus on ice turn just as bad my broadside has the range of a slingshot ( my sharp shooting is lvl 4 ) i have sp in all the right places and yet if im caught alone 1v1 an assult as im shooting hes playing neo from the matrix side stepping jumping up and down and before you know it half a clip from him and woops im dead ... i know it would be unfair and the game would be dominated if the hmg was as powerfull as the ar but i mean already were the slowest class out there and our hmgs dont have anything for stopping power or range but this is ridiculus somthings gotta give either give us more range or more hitting power i have no problem taking a half hour to get somewhere on foot but cut the fat guys some slack

On a proto vk0 (armor) heavy you should have 3 highs 4 lows, on a proto vk1 (shield) heavy you should have 4highs 3lows. and do a draw down from there back to type 1 heavys

A heavy machine gun was always a weapon designed to be supported. If you look at its foundation during WW1 and WW2, a HMG would typically be supported by up to 8 regular infantry. That you are losing 1v1 at a closer range is not surprising. I am not going to go into the is this to strong or is this not strong enough, but just wanted to speak as to the typical design element of the weapon and how your post goes against the design of the weapon.

Feels awesome killing proto gear.

3/4 and 4/3.. what the **** man? proto scouts are 3/3... and you want to give something with 300/400 or 100/600 base hp 4/3 or 3/4?

you can kill 2 heavies with 40 bullets -.- ya I'm calling BS

a militia AR killing 2 heavies they were very bad heavies then

A heavy machine gun was always a weapon designed to be supported. If you look at its foundation during WW1 and WW2, a HMG would typically be supported by up to 8 regular infantry. That you are losing 1v1 at a closer range is not surprising. I am not going to go into the is this to strong or is this not strong enough, but just wanted to speak as to the typical design element of the weapon and how your post goes against the design of the weapon.

Before reading the below, please understand...a Heavy is a guy with an HMG or a Forge gun. Any other combo is just BS.

1) Heavies are virtually worthless at range
There are only a couple of maps where Heavies are really "OP"d. The rest we get out ranged easily. And guys see us, shoot at us, and then run away. There are some maps I don't even bother running a a Heavy, even though 90% of my 8mill SP's are invested in it.

2) Heavies are not gods
When I'm not running as a Heavy, I use a Skinweave BPO with one enhanced and once complex damage mod on an exile. And I regularly kill heavies with it. Solo. On my Logi running a Type A or B with three Complex Extenders and two enhanced plates with a repper I almost ALWAYS win in a fight against tanked heavies since I'm doing more DMG and have close to the same EHP.

3) Heavy gear is ridiculously expensive
It just is. Look at the prices. You can fit an entire Assault rig that's pretty decked out in Proto gear for the coast of one of our guns. The Proto AR is all over this game, but only the fool hardy, try harders, or just plain don't give a damns, will run a boundless in a pub match.

4) We're slow, and man, the only thing larger than our hit box is your mother's ass.
Seriously. This is something EVERYONE overlooks when talking about heavies. Our hit box is freaking HUGE. We're easy to out maneuver, we can't jump any where, and unless you're a complete idiot, you should see us coming. TBH, I wish I had run a scout this build and built him up to see how that hit detection works, because ADV Scouts give me fits with the hit detection all day long. Also, we're laser meat. There is no "making the corner" as a heavy, there is no "hopping away" as a heavy, there is no "ring around the rosie" and let my shields and armor regen faster that you can reload...as a heavy you either kill or be killed. There is no other option. While most of you are running from MD's and Lasers, we're swearing at the TV and respawning.

5) We are not a support class.
We are the class that NEEDS support. We can't carry ammo and yes, we damn well SHOULD win most of our 1v1s, but we're designed for prolonged combat and to engage multiple enemies. Problem there, is that we need to be rep'd and we need to reload. It's not unusual to use half a magazine to take down guys at range. And our reload time is ridiculous. Also, can't carry any equipment. The only way to make WP is to kill, blow up tanks, and capture points. We are designed for one singular purpose. Patrol a choke point and crush anything that comes through it. In that role, we excel. In all others...not so much.

6) Our proto gear blows
For this build, our Proto gear was fairly worthless. It's only advantage was the additional CPU/PG. Let me tell you what it takes to equip a Boundless on a VK.0...it takes HMG upgrade and proficiency skills as well as side arm upgrade to level 4 to even think about filling out all 3 Highs, 2 lows, as well as side arm and nades. Especially if you want to go three complex damage mods.
There's not a heavy on this board that hasn't said to himself at some point...lemme see...which one do I need less...nades or a side arm? ....in order to fit his Hi, low, and main weapon slot due to the hilariously high CPU costs of our weapons and the equally ludicrously low CPU we are provided. And that's on the Type A/B suits, much less the vaunted Type II.

If Heavies were the best option in this game that's the only thing you'd see in Pub rooms and especially in CB's. Despite what my clan mate may say, that is not the case. Assault is still the main focus of the game as it's more flexible and allows for faster gameplay. And unless CCP really hoses things, it should always be that way. Heavy class isn't just a different playstyle, it's a state of mind. You have to enjoy a meat grinder.

As I have said in other threads. If you don't run heavy, don't talk about what's wrong or right with the Heavy. Because if you don't have at least 3 Mill SP in the Heavy, then you can't understand the Heavy.

Do you even HMG, bro?

do you hipfire or ADS?

secondly, whats your sensitivity set at?

the 900 armor alone with anything close to proficiency spec in your weapon should 1v1 easily.

ok first off i am a dedicated heavy type 5 im running a vk0 2 synapse extenders and mehnir repairer and samson goliath plates with a enhanced sheild recharger total is 232 sheild and 932 armor or somthing close .. heres the problem with all that on me i move about as fast as a school bus on ice turn just as bad my broadside has the range of a slingshot ( my sharp shooting is lvl 4 ) i have sp in all the right places and yet if im caught alone 1v1 an assult as im shooting hes playing neo from the matrix side stepping jumping up and down and before you know it half a clip from him and woops im dead ... i know it would be unfair and the game would be dominated if the hmg was as powerfull as the ar but i mean already were the slowest class out there and our hmgs dont have anything for stopping power or range but this is ridiculus somthings gotta give either give us more range or more hitting power i have no problem taking a half hour to get somewhere on foot but cut the fat guys some slack

Before reading the below, please understand...a Heavy is a guy with an HMG or a Forge gun. Any other combo is just BS.

HEAVY's have the fastest shift left to right in the game DONT put armor plate on it

do you hipfire or ADS?

secondly, whats your sensitivity set at?

the 900 armor alone with anything close to proficiency spec in your weapon should 1v1 easily.

That is a terrible fit for an armor variant. -_-