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Department of Justice Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:12:00 - [1] - Quote This may be a silly question since I'm not familiar with this game's lore or balancing, but if only heavies can use heavy weapons (forge guns and HMGs), how come the other suits don't have special equipment? I understand that certain suits have different armor, shield, stamina, etc. but why doesn't say a Logistic suit have the ability to equip special gear that allows self-resuscitation or in vehicle repairs. Maybe an assault suit can have gear which allows remote hacking.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 695	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:18:00 - [2] - Quote Besides them being fat penguins I see heavies having their unique aspect first being a supply/demand thing, we'll always need heavy Av and Cqb suppressive fire.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1137	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:20:00 - [3] - Quote logi's get too carry more equipment than anyone else, though it wouldn't surprise me if we saw more suit specific gear coming.
Department of Justice Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:22:00 - [4] - Quote gbghg wrote: logi's get too carry more equipment than anyone else, though it wouldn't surprise me if we saw more suit specific gear coming. I know Logistic suits can carry more, just like how Heavies can't carry any. Still, heavies have an entire weapon tier dedicated to them.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1214	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:22:00 - [5] - Quote Assaults will or probably be able yo carry heavy weapons in the next build
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 249	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:43:00 - [6] - Quote Department of Justice wrote: gbghg wrote: logi's get too carry more equipment than anyone else, though it wouldn't surprise me if we saw more suit specific gear coming. I know Logistic suits can carry more, just like how Heavies can't carry any. Still, heavies have an entire weapon tier dedicated to them. At what cost? sure they have the best armor and weapons but after that it all goes down hill.
CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.04.12 16:22:00 - [7] - Quote Every suit has something special, it's just with Heavies it's most visible as they get a whole weapon class to themselves. Every suit type has pros and cons, for Heavies they can wield Heavy weapons, but they can't carry equipment at all, and really kind of require other players in order to be effective. Assault suits are the all-rounder suits, so while they don't really have any outstanding pros, neither do they really have any outstanding cons. Logistics suits have the most equipment slots and higher CPU/PG than others, but can only carry one weapon to angle them more towards helping others than fighting themselves. Scout suits are the fastest and are supposed to be the stealthiest, but they get popped if someone so much as looks at them angrily. It's these things that make the different suits special, not just the weapons that can be equipped to them.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 483	Posted - 2013.04.12 17:06:00 - [8] - Quote The rough data on Singularity is hinting at bonuses. Amarr Assault get heat reduction for laser weapons, Minmatar Scout get melee and knife damage bonus, all Logistics get armor repair bonus, etc.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 841	Posted - 2013.04.12 17:08:00 - [9] - Quote Heavies get Heavy weapons, everyone else gets equipment!
Department of Justice Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.12 18:44:00 - [10] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The rough data on Singularity is hinting at bonuses. Amarr Assault get heat reduction for laser weapons, Minmatar Scout get melee and knife damage bonus, all Logistics get armor repair bonus, etc. that would be really cool.

Jack Boost Zarena Family 230	Posted - 2013.04.12 18:50:00 - [11] - Quote i'm special ... i'm heavy
Val'herik Dorn SyNergy Gaming EoN. 407	Posted - 2013.04.12 18:52:00 - [12] - Quote Wait someone has to look at mey scout suit angrily... a stiff breeze and a rain drop is a more accurate...
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors O.M.N.I. Initiative 359	Posted - 2013.04.12 18:56:00 - [13] - Quote I don't understand...are you saying you want logistics suits to geat special logistics weapons...or assault suits to get some kind of weapon that is...more assaulty...? Don't think of the weapon as the thing that defines your suit. You aren't looking closely enough at what everything does if you do.
Department of Justice Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.13 01:18:00 - [14] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: I don't understand...are you saying you want logistics suits to geat special logistics weapons...or assault suits to get some kind of weapon that is...more assaulty...? Don't think of the weapon as the thing that defines your suit. You aren't looking closely enough at what everything does if you do. Not exactly weapons, but equipment, modules etc. For example, Logistics can have special equipment that only a logistics suit can equip. Just like how only heavies can use heavy weapons.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3403	Posted - 2013.04.13 01:48:00 - [15] - Quote I must agree with the OP, would be cool if each suit had access to items exclusive to that suit type. It would make all the suits special. I do like the idea of an exclusive logistics self-revive module (1 use) Assault could get an active shield booster (1 use) Scouts can get an active pulse scan that reveals enemy locations within the minimap's range (unlimited use, long cool down) We already know crusaders will have exclusive modules to buff teammates and debuff enemies.
blue gt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.04.13 02:42:00 - [16] - Quote expect to see heavy weapons coming to more classes of suits, just in very specialized ones.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2452	Posted - 2013.04.13 05:27:00 - [17] - Quote Assault: Good base stats, highly adaptable. No role-specific gear because it doesn't have a specific role. Scout: Fast, light, decent base stats for stealth and great stats for scanning. No specific equipment, but hopefully future bonuses to cloaking and other stealth/detection-based gear. Logistics: Medium-sized suit, better scanning than the Assault, but with less versatility for passive modules and more equipment versatility. No need for unique items because they have their own role without it. Heavies: Only about as good at damage-tanking as a heavily-tanked Logi or Assault suit, only unique defining point is the ability to combine their heavy tank with unique weapons.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation 360	Posted - 2013.04.13 06:09:00 - [18] - Quote I believe.... Scout - has the lowest profile Assault - can carry more shield and damage mods? Logistic - has more stamina and can carry more equipments.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2456	Posted - 2013.04.13 07:56:00 - [19] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: I believe.... Scout - has the lowest profile Assault - can carry more shield and damage mods? Logistic - has more stamina and can carry more equipments. WAY off. Scout has more base stamina, speed and scanning stats than the Logi as well as the lower Profile. I'm pretty sure the Assault has more stamina than a Logi, but Logis have better scan precision.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative 148	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:27:00 - [20] - Quote It's partly a balancing factor. By making the heavy suit the only one capable of using heavy weapons, you no longer have to balance the suit independent of the weapons and the weapons independent of the suit. You can now design the suit to be inferior to other suits unless it has a heavy weapon equipped, and weapons that would be overpowered if they weren't on a heavy suit. At least, that's the way that it should be, in my opinion.

Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors O.M.N.I. Initiative 368	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:29:00 - [21] - Quote You really shoudl be thinking in terms that you are 'using' more features of the suit than the ones you pull a trigger for. There are things you don't see that make each suit unique. Figuring out how to use those to their best will be what makes you excell.
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 11	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote Who else thinks that the 100 game HET Super Duper Awesome Module will be the one to allow Light Duty suits to carry Heavy weapons? Or will it just be something lame like 150% Stamina, etc?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 705	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:47:00 - [23] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Assaults will or probably be able yo carry heavy weapons in the next build Where exactly did you get this information? And please don't say screenshots/that promo video. The Dev QA testing suit just happens to be an Assault and can equip everything, so that's what they use to take test screenshots.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2611	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:48:00 - [24] - Quote Scout suits have something special. They're hard to fit, easy to kill, and are basically only good with one weapon
Sephirian Fair ZionTCD Legacy Rising 52	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:56:00 - [25] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: I believe.... Scout - has the lowest profile Assault - can carry more shield and damage mods? Logistic - has more stamina and can carry more equipments. WAY off. Scout has more base stamina, speed and scanning stats than the Logi as well as the lower Profile. I'm pretty sure the Assault has more stamina than a Logi, but Logis have better scan precision. Not way off. Go check the Type-II series for Logi and compare it to a Scout. Might be surprised. And make sure to check the B-Series and VK.1 while you're at it. As for Heavies, they give up something everyone else takes for granted. Heavies can't jump. Lol. 6 inch ledge? Have to walk around it.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 941	Posted - 2013.04.17 22:38:00 - [26] - Quote Department of Justice wrote: This may be a silly question since I'm not familiar with this game's lore or balancing, but if only heavies can use heavy weapons (forge guns and HMGs), how come the other suits don't have special equipment? I understand that certain suits have different armor, shield, stamina, etc. but why doesn't say a Logistic suit have the ability to equip special gear that allows self-resuscitation or in vehicle repairs. Maybe an assault suit can have gear which allows remote hacking. Heavies give up the ability to use equipment items to be able to use the Heavy guns. Logi's give up the sidearm clost to get extra equipment slots Scouts give up high slots to get extra speed and lower scan profile Assaults balance it all


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