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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2590
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:12:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:A planet two jumps from anywhere else might be a good place to make money from clones (if you are not using those clones to fight with) but it is not a good place to make your clones at for attacking other systems. You would be suffering substantial clone losses every time you transfer clones off planet. It is not a very smart approach. Not only do you need clones to be able to fight, you need to get those clones to the battlefield. Research Facility.
Just saying. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
275
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:51:00 -
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Even with a Surface Lab you will loose 25% of your clones when you transfer them to Sakulda, Altbrard, or Oddelulf. You will loose 35% of your clones if you transfer them to Bosena. You will loose 55% of your clones if you transfer them to Aedald, or Meildolf.
I suppose you could argue that 25% clone lose would be a reasonable sacrifice for expansion into the Oddelulf/Bosena area, but I would disagree with you and then counter that that Altbrard would be a better choice as it is a dead end pocket only 2 jumps from Oddelulf, which would only be a 15% clone loss (using a Surface Lab) when you are ready to expand.
If you truly like isolation, both Hrober (15 districts on 2 planets) and Sakulda (29 Districts on 3 planets) are 3 jumps from any other PC system (25% clone lose using a Surface Lab). |
Fist Groinpunch
Immobile Infantry
3
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:55:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Fist Groinpunch wrote:I try not to post on these forums, but this topic is so appalling I just can't resist.
There's a lot to say about these two corps calling dibs on something that doesn't even exist, about the neutrality claim, about the veiled and open threats from the two schools over something that they already believe belongs to them. But I'm not going to talk about that. I want to talk about their claim to transparency and their choice of planet.
They say Hedaleolfarber III was chosen because it has low strategic//economic value. This is outright ridiculous.
Strategic value - It's location in a little cul-de-sac, away from the main action, makes it the perfect spot to post up away from the main fighting, and stockpile ISK/clones, while being in relative safety from outside attack. Then once enough ISK/clones are stockpiled, its the perfect planet to expand from, simply because your main ISK/clone-making base is protected. If the expansion goes well, great. If it goes badly, you can just retreat back to Hedaleolfarber III and start the stockpiling process all over again. So this planet has probably one of the HIGHEST strategic values for that reason. If you think about it, Hedaleolfarber III is like Australia in the classic version of the Risk board-game.
Economic value - It doesn't matter whether Hedaleolfarber III has a few moons or a million of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of moons has absolutely zero impact on what happens in DUST. And the ownership of districts does not have any impact on how EVE pilots interact with these moons. Those two systems are just not connected in the Uprising build. What is important about Hedaleolfarber III is that because of its isolation, it's less likely to be attacked. Meaning, it's much easier to stockpile ISK/clones there in relative safety. So whoever holds Hedaleolfarber III during Uprising will likely be making money hand over fist. That's at least 3 months! Therefore the economic value of Hedaleolfarber III is actually VERY HIGH.
So now that we have established that Hedaleolfarber III is actually a prime piece of real estate, lets talk about the transparency that these schools are claiming. When they say "We want Hedaleolfarber III because its the worst planet, we're just being transparent," thats not being transparent. That's called trying to deceive/manipulate people to get what you want. The only other possibility is that whoever is making decisions on this honestly believes what they are saying, but is just too stupid to understand that Hedaleolfarber III is actually an amazing base for ANY corporation.
So my question to the two schools is, which one is it? Are you straight up trying to fool everyone? Or do you just not understand the big picture? One of the district installation types gives a bonus to EVE players of the same Alliance in their moon harvesting production. I assumed that this was common knowladge. A planet two jumps from anywhere else might be a good place to make money from clones (if you are not using those clones to fight with) but it is not a good place to make your clones at for attacking other systems. You would be suffering substantial clone losses every time you transfer clones off planet. It is not a very smart approach. Not only do you need clones to be able to fight, you need to get those clones to the battlefield.
Even with the moon thing it still doesn't change that Hedaleolfarber is basically a super safe spot to print space money in safety. And clone losses are a fact for everyone.
You won't admit it, but we both know that the reason why you want this planet is because you understand that it is more safe from attack than most other planets. But you keep saying that it has low economic/strategic value, hoping that everyone else will buy your line and leave you alone. You want special treatment, yet you still pretend you're a good Samaritan doing everyone a service. That's hypocrisy.
Know what planets actually have low economic/strategic value? The planets with many districts, especially those planets that are connected to many other planets. They have low economic/strategic value because the districts on those planets are far more likely to be attacked. And if you were truly honest and TRANSPARENT about wanting a home on a planet with low economic/strategic value that's the kind of planet you would have picked. But no, you want your cake and eat it too.
I look forward to your ejection from Hedaleolfarber III. |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:06:00 -
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Oh man, 11 pages? Wow!! :D
This is some good hostility and I'm looking forward to teaching all of our classes how this works. I imagine we'll be getting some very good combat if we are able to stay, but I personally hope to be able to build something that lasts...and for those of us that are able to hold our ground against all of this...remember they're the ones that'll be looking to join your corp in 0.0 after graduation and the PC experience.
Or someone else's...
As for the little drama about the value of the districts and our evil intentions for world domination and market wealth, spare me. If one planet with a relatively small district count could produce this the game would be done and I'd pack my bags now. We're are being the essence of transparency and clarity and have gone out of our way to explain our reasoning and security to the public here on the forums. You know where, when, how, and most importantly why.
I look forward to fighting, trading, and even better talking with all of you once this crazy adventure gets started.
<3 Punk |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
769
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:15:00 -
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Jason Punk wrote:If one planet with a relatively small district count could produce this the game would be done and I'd pack my bags now.
A relatively small district count, of which DUNI is only looking to hold a small fraction. The remainder being either battle zones or held by other corps that have signed on to support the mission. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1377
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:43:00 -
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Should have just paid regnum the isk it would have saved you from all this. Imps honor all extortions |
DarkPrometheus
Dark Force Katana General Tso's Alliance
121
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Posted - 2013.04.30 19:36:00 -
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FSC looks forward to repelling all attacks.
just a food of thought if your so concentrated on attack a school, who going to be protecting your own districts from. cause I'm not convince your that good at strategies |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1377
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Posted - 2013.04.30 19:55:00 -
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DarkPrometheus wrote:FSC looks forward to repelling all attacks. just a food of thought if your so concentrated on attack a school, who going to be protecting your own districts from. cause I'm not convince your that good at strategies
Imps pretty bad at dust we focus on forum pvp to make up for it |
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