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Drifter MAGGOT
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:49:00 -
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Which ones are worth buying?
Thanks in advance. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:10:00 -
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none of them, I got a couple of the vehicle ones and I never use them these days. and infantry militia gear is worth so little its effectively free. spend the AURUM on boosters instead. |
Yani Nabari
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:27:00 -
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I figured the Sever, Raven, and Dragonfly would be worthwhile BPO's. All a step above militia in every way. The militia stuff though? I've only ever considered the drop uplinks as a useful BPO, but then I actually looked up how they work. Another one that caught my eye at first was the militia grenade.
Honestly though. Unless you can see yourself actually using more than 100 of (whatever) it's likely not worth it.
I'd buy a BPO crap drop ship though, infinite throw away means to get to a vantage point only reachable by air? Can't deny the appeal. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:38:00 -
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Yani Nabari wrote:I figured the Sever, Raven, and Dragonfly would be worthwhile BPO's. All a step above militia in every way. The militia stuff though? I've only ever considered the drop uplinks as a useful BPO, but then I actually looked up how they work. Another one that caught my eye at first was the militia grenade.
Honestly though. Unless you can see yourself actually using more than 100 of (whatever) it's likely not worth it.
I'd buy a BPO crap drop ship though, infinite throw away means to get to a vantage point only reachable by air? Can't deny the appeal.
He's right about the suit bpo's like the sever, they're the only things worth it, and i would pay craploads for a dropship bpo*sigh* it'll never happen |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:39:00 -
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Yani Nabari wrote:I'd buy a BPO crap drop ship though
There is no BPO drop ship.
Yani Nabari wrote:I figured the Sever, Raven, and Dragonfly would be worthwhile BPO's.
Probably not. The dragonfly comes with the Merc Pack, and if you're buying AUR you should only buy the merc pack (it's the best deal, comes with stuff, and a 30 day active booster.)
The logi suit might be alright, but look at the isk cost of a T1 logi suit. It's not that high at all.
The raven suit is trash. You'll see guys who bought it QQ and say it's worth it, but T1 assault suit is not great. It's not a huge step above MLT assault suit either. The type-II assault suit is fantastic, and makes the T1 look like trash. Don't use T1 assault. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.04.01 17:47:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Yani Nabari wrote:I'd buy a BPO crap drop ship though There is no BPO drop ship. Yani Nabari wrote:I figured the Sever, Raven, and Dragonfly would be worthwhile BPO's. Probably not. The dragonfly comes with the Merc Pack, and if you're buying AUR you should only buy the merc pack (it's the best deal, comes with stuff, and a 30 day active booster.) The logi suit might be alright, but look at the isk cost of a T1 logi suit. It's not that high at all. The raven suit is trash. You'll see guys who bought it QQ and say it's worth it, but T1 assault suit is not great. It's not a huge step above MLT assault suit either. The type-II assault suit is fantastic, and makes the T1 look like trash. Don't use T1 assault.
I've found that the sever can be worth it if you want to keep your costs down, and the main advantage for going for it instead of just buying militia suits if that you get 3 equipment slots with standard suits. |
Drifter MAGGOT
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:05:00 -
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gbghg wrote:none of them, I got a couple of the vehicle ones and I never use them these days. and infantry militia gear is worth so little its effectively free. spend the AURUM on boosters instead.
I assumed the BPO drop suits would be useless, I'm more interested in modules /equipment. Are these any good? |
Yani Nabari
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:15:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Yani Nabari wrote:I'd buy a BPO crap drop ship though There is no BPO drop ship.
I know there's no BPO drop ship. It was more an example of a sort of BPO I'd snatch up almost instantly. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Posted - 2013.04.01 21:24:00 -
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To OP
Monitor which items you use the most over the next few weeks and if you have Isk problems e.g having trouble buying fits or skill books then buy those, most used, modules and equipment as BPOs.
If you swimming in Isk then do not worry about BPOs. The suggestion about getting boosters is good. I did buy BPOs and I am happy I did because of the number of pub stomps that are currently going on. I am an average player so I am generally on the wrong side of the stomp so it is nice knowing that it is not really costing me any Isk, when I die, which I can use later when I have skilled into better gear.
I bought the sever suit, shield extenders, Armor, Armor repairer, injector, nano hive, and drop uplink, and remote repairer and exile AR. |
Zatara Rought
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.01 23:55:00 -
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There's a guy in my corp named PTSD, he's got like a 2.5 K/D and close to 13,000 kills, and he runs all bpo's. completely. uses an exile, or militia assault bpo if he wants to humiliate people. Completely free fits for the win. Me? I used to use a sever and raven while i got some core skills up or if I need to farm isk. |
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H4lfdog
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:34:00 -
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I have the Sever and I only run with it BPO stuff (that i get for 20AUR each before the open beta). But you can do the same with MLT stuff and be cost efficient. The Server is great because you get 3 equipment and for a logi this is awesome! |
M3DIC 2U
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:14:00 -
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Sever
Nanite injector
Nanohive
Repair tool
Make these all BPOs and run like crazy to swim in ISK as you skill up and work on things. No reason to run costly suits in pub matches just yet. Save the expensive for corps battles. Can be more fun when grinding and lead you to do crazy stuff since the loadout is completely free. No Q.Q over lost ISK |
Indianna Pwns
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:24:00 -
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your probably better of waiting for the new build to drop rather than dropping Aurum on a BPO now. |
Void Echo
A.I.
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:01:00 -
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I use an all bpo dropsuit, including the "skinweave" bpo that was only winnable in closed beta during one of the tournaments and I also use the exile ar which I also won from a closed beta event, I bought bpo dropsuit modules for my dropsuit with aurum when the prices were low |
Joseph Ridgeson
Cactus Rats
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:45:00 -
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I have both the Raven and the Sever.
The Raven is nice to have for when you want to run an ultra cheap suit. The Raven was a great thing to have for when I was just learning the game and was dying many, many times. I think the Sever is really worth it. Unless you are REALLY going to boost the hell out of Logistics, the Tier 1 is more than enough to have some fun running around with a Spawn Pad, Health, and Ammo and collect War Points.
I say stay away from Militia BPO. It won't save you much ISK having Miltia gear and you will want to replace the Militia gear sooner rather than later. I think the Raven is an okay buy but I do not regret getting the Sever at all. Just my two cents.
Be well. |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.03 15:10:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I say stay away from Militia BPO. It won't save you much ISK having Miltia gear and you will want to replace the Militia gear sooner rather than later.
The militia BPO is good O.O
It will save you lots of ISK because you aren't spending anything. Some guys in my corp have well over 100mil because they've been playing pure BPO MLT gear for over a month. The best thing about it is that you'll want a LOT of ISK saved up once you unlock all of the proto gear, because proto is expensive. You're looking at slightly over 200,000 ISK per death, so if you die just five times that's 1mil ISK lost.
The other great thing about running the MLT BPO suits is that it'll help you improve your game play. Running around in proto or other high and expensive suits vs other players in MLT gear isn't going to help you learn anything. Once you put on proto gear for a corp battle, you'll be king because you have plenty of experience with fighting people in your same level of gear. If the enemies are better geared than you are, you'll also know what to do.
It's just another reason why KDR means next to nothing. Sure you might get a high KDR by running proto in pubs, but it doesn't mean you're a better player. You'll also be rolling in ISK while the proto guys are not! |
Drifter MAGGOT
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.03 16:49:00 -
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Thanks guys this is some good info. I was hearing that the BPO's might get a price drop on 5/6. Anyone else hear that? |
Joseph Ridgeson
Cactus Rats
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:41:00 -
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Well, let's look at the price for Militia Gear:
Shield: 450
Repair: 590
Plates: 410
Nanohive: 480
Drop uplink: 1,240
Nanite Injector: 690
Assault Rifle: 690
Non Militia Logistics I: 8,400
Assume a Sever with 2 Shields, 1 Plate / 1 Self Repair, 1 Assault Rifle, and a Uplink, Nanohive, Injector. Going all Militia BPO with Sever vs Regular Militia with Sever works out to saving 5,000 ISK per death.
5,000 ISK per death for as long as you run with them for 55,600 Aurum. Because of that, I think just spending the 19,800 on a Sever is far more economical. Of course that is only when using Logistics. And I honestly doubt that most people would spend that much Aurum on Militia BPO.
Don't worry too much about money. Work it out like this:
X * Y < Z
X is the price of the suit, Y is the most amount of times you will die in a match, and Z is the average cash you make for a match. An Assault Type I with 2 M Shield Extenders, 2 M Plates, 1 M Nanohive, Basic Locus Grenades, and an M Assault Rifle costs 11,090 (4,290 with a Raven) ISK. Assuming you are going to get at least 150,000 ISK for an Ambush, you can safely die 13 times and still make a profit (34 with a Raven) . Of course you are not likely to die that many times and you are more likely to get 170k+ but that is the calculation I did when I started: I just assumed I would never die more than 10 times in a match or dying 10+ times would be so rare that the times I only died 6 times would make up for it.
Be well. |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
181
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Posted - 2013.04.03 23:56:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:
Don't worry too much about money. Work it out like this:
X * Y < Z
X is the price of the suit, Y is the most amount of times you will die in a match, and Z is the average cash you make for a match. An Assault Type I with 2 M Shield Extenders, 2 M Plates, 1 M Nanohive, Basic Locus Grenades, and an M Assault Rifle costs 11,090 (4,290 with a Raven) ISK. Assuming you are going to get at least 150,000 ISK for an Ambush, you can safely die 13 times and still make a profit (34 with a Raven) . Of course you are not likely to die that many times and you are more likely to get 170k+ but that is the calculation I did when I started: I just assumed I would never die more than 10 times in a match or dying 10+ times would be so rare that the times I only died 6 times would make up for it.
Now do the calculations with what I was talking about please, the Assault - Frontline suit ^.^ (That suit is free BTW)
0*1,000,000 = 0
So with a free suit, you can die one million times and you lose zero isk. The 'Raven' Assault Type-I costs 19,800 AUR, and you can buy 20,000 AUR from the PSN store for $10. (Side not btw, but the merc pack is the best deal on the market.) So that's almost a twenty dollar suit for a BPO type-I assault suit.
So let's check out the stats of the Assault - Frontline suit.
Max PG: 26
Max CPU: 150
Shield: 125
Armor: 175
Shield Recharge: 15.0 HP/s
Delay: 6 s
Depleted Delay: 10 s
Movement Speed: 5.0 m/s
Sprint Speed: 7.0 m/s
Sprint Duration: 15.0 s
Stamina: 150.0
Stamina Recovery Rate: 15.0 /s
High Slot: 2
Low Slot: 1
Equipment: 1
Sidearm: 1
And now for the Type-I Raven:
Max PG: 30
Max CPU: 150
Shield: 125
Armor: 175
Shield Recharge: 25.0 HP/s
Delay: 6 s
Depleted Delay: 10 s
Movement Speed: 5.0 m/s
Sprint Speed: 7.0 m/s
Sprint Duration: 15.0 s
Stamina: 150.0
Stamina Recovery Rate: 15.0 /s
High Slot: 2
Low Slot: 2
Equipment: 1
Sidearm: 1
So what's the difference between the two? Four PG, and extra 10 HP/s for shield recharge, and one low slot. Also, you lose 4,290 going with the setup the guy above me had for each death in the Raven suit. You lose 0 ISK when you die with the free one. You might be fine with the price of the Raven suit for what you get, but others may not want to spend almost twenty dollars for four PG, 10 more HP/s for shield recharge, and one low slot, and have to spend ISK on top of that every time they die.
I will agree that the logi suit is different. The type-I logi suit is much better than the MLT, especially because of the equipment slots. Again that comes down to spend almost $20 or just lose the isk. We don't have a player run market atm, so kind of hard for us to tell how much ISK is worth one AUR. |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
181
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:07:00 -
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And to clear up some possible confusion, the Assault - Frontline suit is entirely free. It comes with BPO mods and a BPO MLT assault rifle. I change stuff around, but grabbing the Assault - Frontline BPO suit and changing out a mod or two for personal preference is not a bad thing. Or, if you're really cool, you could just leave it as-is, because it's actually a pretty good suit.
From tests done by other skilled FPS players, using a completely new character (arbiter, because it's the best of the starter fits) and without spending any SP, you are able to easily stay above 3:1 KDR. So that's Level 1 weaponry, Level 0 AR, etc., etc. and using the Assault - Frontline suit. They weren't even going for KDR too, they were playing the objectives while killing red dots in the process.
I don't think I'm on that level yet - I'd estimate myself to be an average to below average FPS player. But I can still stay above a 1.5 KDR and run around hacking objectives and earning WP on new characters I started to test this so I don't make an ass of myself before posting this on forums xD!
BTW I'm not placing too much emphasis on KDR, as it is an almost useless stat, but I know someone is going to post, "lol you're not going to get any kills using basic suitz and you need sp or your bad and need type-I or better not to die" |
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