i suggest resetting all SP when final game comes so new players will get a fair chance and it would stop AFK farming immediately as there would be no reason to do it anymore, it would be the most unpopular decision for all beta players , but the most fair for the full game players.

i know no more resets should be done , but that was if there wont be any issue , AFK farming imo is a valid reason for SP reset as it breaks the gameplay and economy of dust

i suggest resetting all SP when final game comes so new players will get a fair chance and it would stop AFK farming immediately as there would be no reason to do it anymore, it would be the most unpopular decision for all beta players , but the most fair for the full game players.

i know no more resets should be done , but that was if there wont be any issue , AFK farming imo is a valid reason for SP reset as it breaks the gameplay and economy of dust

i suggest resetting all SP when final game comes so new players will get a fair chance and it would stop AFK farming immediately as there would be no reason to do it anymore, it would be the most unpopular decision for all beta players , but the most fair for the full game players.

i know no more resets should be done , but that was if there wont be any issue , AFK farming imo is a valid reason for SP reset as it breaks the gameplay and economy of dust

i suggest resetting all SP when final game comes so new players will get a fair chance and it would stop AFK farming immediately as there would be no reason to do it anymore, it would be the most unpopular decision for all beta players , but the most fair for the full game players.

i know no more resets should be done , but that was if there wont be any issue , AFK farming imo is a valid reason for SP reset as it breaks the gameplay and economy of dust

If there must be a SP reset then there must be an item reset.

I actually agree with this. I think it makes perfect sense. How can you give players a advantage who don't even play the ******* game!!!?? It makes sense to give players who don't AFK farm a advantage but damn most people don't even test the ******* game they just AFK farm it would be STUPID to not reset stats and give people a advantage for riding the beta and not actually doing anything. This does make sense so +1 for you who made this post.

I actually agree with this. I think it makes perfect sense. How can you give players a advantage who don't even play the ******* game!!!?? It makes sense to give players who don't AFK farm a advantage but damn most people don't even test the ******* game they just AFK farm it would be STUPID to not reset stats and give people a advantage for riding the beta and not actually doing anything. This does make sense so +1 for you who made this post.

Yes complete wipe like Jan 10th or whatever.

ppl warned CCP not to implement that 1SP per sec bs
ppl making a big deal out of nothing
who srsly wants to go through that grind again?
for u infantry guys its easy ever try dumpin all ur SP into vehicles when u also like being on the ground shooting ppl and see how annoying it is to be facing duvolles when ur in ****** std gear?

reset will do nothing but turn ppl off the game and those that do stick around will be forced once again to waste a month or 2 playing pubs gettin SP and ISK before they can even hit PC

what about all the corps that looking forward to PC? their wallets wiped then what? its 100M ISK just to have ONE SI on the district ur looking at ppl farming pubs for months again just to accumulate ISK to START PC

sorry but that is ******* ********


EDIT: let it be known i also DONT AFK farm i actually get ALL my SP in ****** redline skirmish and dont see an issue atm. AFK will be fixed next build

IF a stat reset turns you away from the game than you aren't here playing it for the right reasons so I can't really sympathize for you. You are clearly picking sides, I am happy nomatter what happens reset or no reset so either way I am still on this game and still owning. I don't depend on SP or gear. I kill no matter what.

Let me put this here so that it clarifies something from CCP

Cry as much as you want AFK farming is not considered catastrophic !

Precious tears !

You must have the patience of a saint. I've been grinding the same damn thing for almost a YEAR. Your request for an SP reset is selfish. You want to punish the entire community for the acts of a few.

If they reset SP than see ya later Dust! Unlike the people who farm, you have people like me who ******* grinds their ass off even when the cap is hit.

If only CCP had a way to detect inactivity, how funny would it be if all of a sudden everyone who AFK'd lost all SP they gained that way?

Omg I would die laughing.

If only CCP had a way to detect inactivity, how funny would it be if all of a sudden everyone who AFK'd lost all SP they gained that way?

Omg I would die laughing.

You must have the patience of a saint. I've been grinding the same damn thing for almost a YEAR. Your request for an SP reset is selfish. You want to punish the entire community for the acts of a few.

Not gonna happen. Its gonna be crazy query and through crazy logs and that's if they are logging it. And even if they deduct the SP where are they gonna remove the SP from. Most people have already put their AFK Sp into skills. LMFAO

Not gonna happen !

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I am mostly new Jan10th player I have not been doing this for a year now but that argument is INVALID in this discussion because there WAS IN FACT a complete wipe yet here you are continue grinding. So again IF I was in CCP team I would say to you If you are giving me ultimatum..BYE.

I am mostly new Jan10th player.

You clearly don't read a damn thing I type huh? Lol! In another post I state it could help CCP with one last attempt to reach out to gamers and build community so this would not be for the sole purpose of punishing AFK farmers there is multiple advantages in a complete reset. There IS also DISADVANTAGES of complete reset but those do not effect ME because I have skill to kill without SP or Proto. It is not that I have the patience of a SAINT I am no Saint by any means. I see it as I will be grinding SP for this game till it is no more so what's it matter if tomorrow is giving me 10mSP or 2MSP if everybody is on the same level what is the difference. YOU I think are being selfish sir you wanna be at the top but may depend on a advantage or may not who knows but it SOUNDS like you are seeking a advantage. The idea of being on everyones level scares you.

For those that are saying if the day comes a stat wipe hits you will say bye bye Dust. Than you must have never played a BETA before because there has never been a BETA of any game that has let the beta testers keep all Beta aquired accomplishments against commercial released players. IF this game does that than cool but who are we to give them a ultimatum do this or we are gone. I would look you in the face and go bye....

I am mostly new Jan10th player I have not been doing this for a year now but that argument is INVALID in this discussion because there WAS IN FACT a complete wipe yet here you are continue grinding. So again IF I was in CCP team I would say to you If you are giving me ultimatum..BYE.

LOL. No wonder you are you here preaching like a doomsday cult. A little of info for you;- while people AFK farm SP your corp actually pioneered Squad AFK farming! That was pure genius ! I mean think about it;- entire squads AFK farming in the MCC . Pity no one did a Queue sync AFK farm! That would be hilarious !

The whole lesson over here is when gamers say something;- Devs should listen !

I was here before most of you guys.... And I really don't care if they reset or not. Because unlike most of the people here I know what the **** a beta is, and have been in enough and wiped so many times I really don't care if they do.

The fact is ccp isn't doing anymore resets because the player base is a bunch of babies and cried cause their SP was getting reset.

And as 343 has put into practice in halo 4, resets, however much the minority QQ, does in fact give players incentive to play more, and actually boosts player numbers.

Not resetting SP in dust BETA is doing more harm than good

I hear listening to the community did MAG and StarHawk no good, lmao.

I said gamers. If you listen to the community you are kittened! common seriously;- take a look at this community. Bunch of whinny ass kids with little or no common sense screaming out nerf everytime they think they should have had he upper hand.

Snoozefest

I was here before most of you guys.... And I really don't care if they reset or not. Because unlike most of the people here I know what the **** a beta is, and have been in enough and wiped so many times I really don't care if they do.

The fact is ccp isn't doing anymore resets because the player base is a bunch of babies and cried cause their SP was getting reset.

And as 343 has put into practice in halo 4, resets, however much the minority QQ, does in fact give players incentive to play more, and actually boosts player numbers.

Not resetting SP in dust BETA is doing more harm than good

AFK farming is not an exploit

Kind of like Tax Fraud isn't illegal because it's possible to do?

I swear, you guys that think this isn't an exploit...lmfao smfh

Yea - even I can't deny it's an obvious exploit. Using a mechanic not intended to give yourself a boost. But the problem is CCP may not intended but they were aware Looooooooooooong before now.

Must feel like a big man talking down to everyone. Oh, but we didn't ask for no more SP resets btw - CCP promised it and we expect it. But I can see how that would confuse you...

If only CCP had a way to detect inactivity, how funny would it be if all of a sudden everyone who AFK'd lost all SP they gained that way?

Omg I would die laughing.

Not a big man, I'm a realist. I'm saying what's best for the game overall when most here are saying what's best for them.

And a vocal minority were here complaining about getting reset, but that's how it always is. The small percentage that visit here will always have a larger voice.

When if comes down to it a reset at every build until release would make the game more accessible to possible new players. As it is now, for every 1 player that plays dust once and loves it, there are 5 that don't and every time it's the response "I can't kill anyone but they can kill me"

If you think about it, that would actually be a great deterrent for future AFK farming.

We know CCP is working on an idle-detection system, so they can use logged matches to fine tune it and identify past occurrences at the same time.

We also know that the biggest problem with such a system is the arms race between the AFKers and CCP, they create the detector and the AFKer finds a workaround.

But now imagine that workaround is patched and all SP gained from it is removed!

*Poof* All incentive to find the next workaround disappears.

An initial wipe of AFK SP would serve as notice not to even try.

would no work out cause you just would make your thumbstick stuck so that your char is constantly moving. My opinion is when you havent earned at least 150WP on skirmish then you wont get any SP at all.

You're right. Come next build if things don't change this game may die before it's even launched. Vets are frustrated - new berries are frustrated - CCP seems to think there stances in EvE will be effective in a console gaming community. Hope that doesn't blow in there face. We're not as patient as PC players who expect terrible games.

would no work out cause you just would make your thumbstick stuck so that your char is constantly moving. My opinion is when you havent earned at least 150WP on skirmish then you wont get any SP at all.

would no work out cause you just would make your thumbstick stuck so that your char is constantly moving. My opinion is when you havent earned at least 150WP on skirmish then you wont get any SP at all.

If you think about it, that would actually be a great deterrent for future AFK farming.

We know CCP is working on an idle-detection system, so they can use logged matches to fine tune it and identify past occurrences at the same time.

We also know that the biggest problem with such a system is the arms race between the AFKers and CCP, they create the detector and the AFKer finds a workaround.

But now imagine that workaround is patched and all SP gained from it is removed!

*Poof* All incentive to find the next workaround disappears.

An initial wipe of AFK SP would serve as notice not to even try.

A good idea.

But the OP's idea of a full SP reset. A complete none starter to be honest. It would just annoy too many people for not enough benefit.

A complete wipe is a non-starter, but a selective wipe of unearned SP is both possible and beneficial for the whole community.

All those claiming to AFK to call attention to the practice would be able to report the effectiveness of the fix so others wouldn't try. Retroactive wipes puts CCP always ahead of the hackers instead of always behind.

We don't let bank robbers get away with a heist just because nobody stopped them in the bank. The real deterrent is the threat of being tracked down and prosecuted later.

Incoming threadnaught!!!

I honestly think a complete wipe would not be a bad thing. It has pros and cons but I think the pros could outweigh the cons. That is just me and my opinion that I get for being in this free country.

I don't have to make up CCP is facing legal issues for not making their beta up to his standards like Sota Pop. I am just speaking what I feel is good not just for ME but for the community as a whole. For those saying they will quit the game if there is a wipe, hasn't there already been like 3 wipes before? This is a beta NOT the final version of Dust514. I think people keep forgetting that.

Link to where it shows CCP getting legal issues for their BETA not being up to your standards please?

Link where anyone said they were having legal issues over that. I sure as hell never said that. You're just dumping your idiocy all over me.

Than show me a link where they are having Legal issues over not keeping their word...

As I said quite a few times IF CCP does not do a complete wipe that is fine I am not getting creamed and I am in PFB so I am clearly doing quite well for myself on Dust lol. I am already playing with the weakest suit in the game, I play it the way I keep being told NOT to use it. There is absolutely NOTHING they can do to effect me :) It is only uphill for me :)

explain?
because ppl complained about newbies not having a chance due to vets stomping them
SP isnt gonna change that we will still stomp them because we been here a year now and know exactly where to place our SP and dont have to stumble around figuring out ****

resetting SP means everyone is back to grinding instant battle pubs for a month or 2 along with said newbies who will get worked by the vets and quit whereas currently when the game does officially "release" the vets will NOT be in instant battle but spending all their time in FW and PC which thus leaves the release newbies to be free of punishment and can possibly enjoy the game more

now with me droppin that logic on ppl again do u really think an SP reset does more good than harm?
it only takes a month or so to get infantry stuff up to a good lvl then they can join us in FW and PC but if we all stompin the **** outta newbies for that entire month or 2 to get back our **** they will leave cuz in any game when newbies get constantly raped the game is automatically a **** game

100% agree with this reasoning

I do think it better for the game to get the Vets out of pubbies with incentives like PC and FW.

This is much more beneficial for both new and older players. Otherwise you run the risk of reducing the player count and more importantly, ticking off the players who run corporations and / or can teach the new players and provide corp support.

Personally I could care less about being back on level again (it's actually kind of fun) but, at the same time, I don't want to go through the grind yet again either.

It is not hurting you yet you are getting all defensive as if you are freaking out that POSSIBLY CCP could listen and implement this in future of commercial release.

the word you are looking for there is "butthurt"

Lol! It feels that way doesn't it? He has been attacking me with hateful words getting all defensive because I am only stating a simple opinion?

? Are you over simplifying your insults at me for any reason? Pretty sure you've been underhandedly calling me a liar among other things. But I guess, people like you who think there TAG means something just make me sigh.

Lol! What does my tag have anything to do with this? I merely stated I am in a good corp. I get kills. I am a decent player at this easy game. I am doing well for myself in Dust life, lol! You over here saying CCP is in court defending themselves from lawsuits or legal issues whatever but you have absolutely no proof at all. You are just making up crap and throwing them into your arguments and now you got called out caught with ya hand in the cookie jar.

i suggest resetting all SP when final game comes so new players will get a fair chance and it would stop AFK farming immediately as there would be no reason to do it anymore, it would be the most unpopular decision for all beta players , but the most fair for the full game players.

i know no more resets should be done , but that was if there wont be any issue , AFK farming imo is a valid reason for SP reset as it breaks the gameplay and economy of dust

If you think about it, that would actually be a great deterrent for future AFK farming.

We know CCP is working on an idle-detection system, so they can use logged matches to fine tune it and identify past occurrences at the same time.

We also know that the biggest problem with such a system is the arms race between the AFKers and CCP, they create the detector and the AFKer finds a workaround.

But now imagine that workaround is patched and all SP gained from it is removed!

*Poof* All incentive to find the next workaround disappears.

An initial wipe of AFK SP would serve as notice not to even try.

If there must be a SP reset then there must be an item reset.

I'm a Newberry, kill me please!!!!!

Double posted :P

DUST University is thataway.

PS: DUST 514 is in Commercial Release just like PS Home. PS Home was in "BETA" forever (Still is....lol). CCP stated there will be no more Resets & consistently add "Deals" in the AUR Marketplace. I've seen a DUST 514 Commercial on TV. Commerce is made, Commercial was seen, Resets are Null, Math is done 4 u. NJoy finding a Lawyer w/ Coke Bottle Glasses that sweats waterfalls while timidly murmuring "objection...." under his/her breath at inopportune moments to defend your ignorance, Good Luck, KthxBAI :P

My second thought: wtf is this 'afk farming' you are freaking out about? You mean people joining a match and sitting in the MCC or backfield and not participating in the game?

Aren't those players earning the same sp/sec you are? Aren't you earning a great deal more by fighting? How do you equate that with them having some kind of advantage?

It's more of a "fair" thing, as it isn't very fair for someone who doesn't play to be rewarded almost as well as someone who does.

Also, this makes games like skirmish significantly less enjoyable when you've got people hanging back not contributing to anything. I personally would much rather have the horrible nooby who goes 0/18 on my team than the AFK who goes 0/0. Sure, we may lose terribly, but at least that guy was trying.

That said, AFK farming is a HORRIBLE excuse for a full reset.

Id of prefer the 0/18 guy to go AFK myself lol Least the AFK guy isn't confusing me on wether or not my back is covered xD

i suggest resetting all SP when final game comes so new players will get a fair chance and it would stop AFK farming immediately as there would be no reason to do it anymore, it would be the most unpopular decision for all beta players , but the most fair for the full game players.

i know no more resets should be done , but that was if there wont be any issue , AFK farming imo is a valid reason for SP reset as it breaks the gameplay and economy of dust

There will always be a wide spectrum of SP levels and another wipe won't change that, it would only serve to alienate the dedicated beta players who have devoted a huge amount of time and effort to improve the game.

I've personally started from scratch five times, putting in many hours that could have been spent doing other activities. If another wipe were to be announced I would stop playing and likely not start again.

CCP is already running BPC events to boost play time, so I don't see them risking wholesale abandonment.
Give it a rest, it isn't going to happen.

ive seen someone get 0 kills 18 deaths and 0 WPs in a corp battle lol there are ppl out there that bad to struggle to get that even while playin

Talking about yourself there mav?