Before you make one, repeat this in your head:

Damage Mods with no stacking penalties.

If you still feel like you have to post yet another one of those asinine threads, I can't help you.

Seriously, virtually all damage output related issues these posters are having are related to the fact that you can stack the multiplier on those things to get way more damage than you should be able to.

If stacking penalties for those go in for the next build, you're gonna be amazed at how many of these "game breaking imbalances" just magically disappear.

Before you make one, repeat this in your head:

Damage Mods with no stacking penalties.

If you still feel like you have to post yet another one of those asinine threads, I can't help you.

Seriously, virtually all damage output related issues these posters are having are related to the fact that you can stack the multiplier on those things to get way more damage than you should be able to.

If stacking penalties for those go in for the next build, you're gonna be amazed at how many of these "game breaking imbalances" just magically disappear.

I feel pretty confident saying the stacking penalty is working just fine.

Are you guys ABSOLUTELY sure that the damage mods (dropsuit versions anyway) are not stacking correctly? I DEFINITELY KNOW that CCP has already stated that the display on the dropsuit fitting screen for damage modifier is incorrect but they never officially stated that damage mods weren't working correctly. If I am wrong, someone please post a thread with numbers because I can't find such a thread.

Assault rifles, FG's, HMGs, sniper rifles, nova knives, shotguns, laser rifles, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles, plasma cannons, swarm launchers...

Oh, I thought you were trying to make a list of all the OP weapons. Sorry.

Think melee needs a buff though. :)

I'd be okay with the melee radius being increased a bit, though it randomly seems to hit people at 90 degree angles to you sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgZOF8f6zrc
This is just one example of how absolutely broken damage mod stacking is.

Inconclusive without numbers to back it up. The difference between broken and non-broken is 6.6%. That small a difference isn't going to show up conclusively on gameplay footage.

I don't know where to find the table, but there was a damage output table posted a few weeks back that pretty concisely laid it out. As well, I played a match last build with two suits that were exactly the same except one had 2 Complex damage mods, and one had none, and used a Laser Rifle and AR with it. The difference was pretty astonishing.

Because 2 Complex Mods does 19.6% more damage than none.

Okay, as someone who plays EVE, this is NO way you should be getting 19% off two 10% Damage Mods. That's psychotic.

Bumped for further feedback or numerical explanations.

Yeah, but that's not nearly enough of a penalty. The second one should be down to 5% at the most, and the third to 2.5%. The idea is to offer a gradual bonus to damage output, not to allow you to increase your damage by nearly 25%.

Altina is correct. Damage mods are working as intended, even if the stat is displayed incorrectly on the fitting screen.

Player testing that proved it (done on tanks):

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62955&find=unread

Can we all stop whining about Damage Mods now?









(I take it the answer is no....)

Just had 340 armor stripped from me in 1 tick from a laser rifle

great weapon balancing CCP

too bad, saw your last thread, try harder

1/10

Before you make one, repeat this in your head:

Damage Mods with no stacking penalties.

If you still feel like you have to post yet another one of those asinine threads, I can't help you.

Seriously, virtually all damage output related issues these posters are having are related to the fact that you can stack the multiplier on those things to get way more damage than you should be able to.

If stacking penalties for those go in for the next build, you're gonna be amazed at how many of these "game breaking imbalances" just magically disappear.

I think those numbers are just for tanks. As far as I recall, damage mods get a "+.1" bonus instead of a stacking penalty. I recall reading (but cannot find) that three complex damage mods give a 33% bonus.

I think those numbers are just for tanks. As far as I recall, damage mods get a "+.1" bonus instead of a stacking penalty. I recall reading (but cannot find) that three complex damage mods give a 33% bonus.

The percent effectiveness for each additional module goes like this:

1- 100%
2 - 87%
3 - 57%
4 - 28%

t goes on, but doesn't matter for DUST. So the total damage bonus for the various numbers of mods goes like this:

1 - 10%
2 - 19.6%
3 - 26.4%
4 - 29.9%

And that's how it works.


Maybe, but it's honestly fine as you have to sacrifice other stuff to have that damage.

I don't know how you got those numbers, but they make no sense.

1 - 10% bonus x 100% = 10% = total of 10%
2 - 10% bonus x 87% = 8.7% = total of 18.7%
3 - 10% bonus x 57% = 5.7% = total of 24.4%
4 - 10% bonus x 28% = 2.8% = total of 27.2%

OR

1 - 10% base x 1 ... 10% total = 100% of base value on first mod.
2 - 10% base x 2 ... 19.6% total = 96% of base value on second mod.
3 - 10% base x 3 ... 26.4% total = 68% of base value on third mod.
4 - 10% base x 4 ... 29.9% total = 35% of base value on fourth mod.

Thanks for the correction guys.

Makes sense now.

Although that means that without stacking penalties, we should be looking at the following for 3 of the 10% modifiers:

1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331 = 33.1% damage bonus.

Which is almost 7% more than the expected damage amount. At 4 mods, the difference is even larger.

1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.464 = 46.4% damage bonus.

Turning a damage bonus of less than 30% into more than 45% should be easily checked up on, shouldn't it?

Not as easy as you might guess considering all of the other variables. A sniper rifle is probably the best way to test I would guess.

You do not add percentages. They are always multiplicative

Before you make one, repeat this in your head:

Damage Mods with no stacking penalties.

If you still feel like you have to post yet another one of those asinine threads, I can't help you.

Seriously, virtually all damage output related issues these posters are having are related to the fact that you can stack the multiplier on those things to get way more damage than you should be able to.

If stacking penalties for those go in for the next build, you're gonna be amazed at how many of these "game breaking imbalances" just magically disappear.

Would you mind testing this for us so we can finally put to rest if they work or not? We would all greatly appreciate it if you could set up a test corp battle with Betamax Beta and have someone stack 3 or more complex with a sniper rifle and test how much hp it removes with every shot. I want to believe that stacking penalties work, but I also got one shotted by a charge sniper rifle, non-headshot, yesterday in my douchey heavy sniper suit with around 700 HP. I cant see how thats possible even with broken penalties, but it definately leads me to believe theyre not working.

Like the post I made earlier, I could see a remarkable difference in AR and LR damage output when I stacked Complex Damage mods. If that guy was in a Logistics suit with 3 of the things, I'm not surprised you got taken out like that.

I notice a difference when using damage mods too, however, I do not notice much of a difference between 2 or 3. That is why I asked if you would be so kind as to test this for us so we can have a definitive answer.

Im not sure what kind of suit they had, I just saw it was advanced (I think it was scout cause I one shot them back when I respawned). But even still, I just did the math and a charge with 3 complex (using broken 33%), proficiency 5, and weaponry 5 caps out at about 450 damage. Maybe a little more cause I forget off hand what the charges base damage is (I used 288 cause thats what I remember it being for some reason). Even if it is a bit higher, lets call it 500? Im honestly hoping I got double sniped at one time cause otherwise I dont know what in the world happened there.

Seems like one hell of a shot.

For sure, but not enough to one shot a heavy without a headshot. Matter of fact, I happened to find the base damage on IGN (such a weird place to find it, Dust wiki is failing) and the base damage is 266, which makes it a total of 420 according to all the math up there. Which is still a good 280 off from one shotting a heavy suit. Thats why I really hope I was double sniped and just didnt realize it. That is a pretty big amount of damage for the game to be off by.

Maybe it was a headshot.

I clearly said it was a non-headshot. Which I knew it was not due to the fact I had a bleedout sequence afterward.

Nobody's confirmed 100% that headshots always guarantee no respawn timer.

One theory is that they need to deal a certain amount of "overkill" damage beyond the amount your suit can survive before counting as an insta-kill in this way. Maybe there's a smaller "insta-kill" hitbox inside the heashot box, and if they caught just barely into the edge of dealing a headshot, you still got your bleed-out timer.