DUST Search - Why Meters?

Fenix Alexarr wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Sloth9230 wrote:

When everything is obviously scaled by feet?

Seriously though What?

Everything American sucks. Learn the Metric system.

You learn to not need our help every 5 minutes then.

ALL OF EUROPE: "Oh no, whatever shall we do, there is another tinpot dictator at our doorstep?"

'MURICA: "Hmmm, looks like another idiot screwing with those guys I saved and am therefore responsible for."

AOE: "Oh yes sir, whatever you want sir, would you like our countries on a platter, or just in a to-go bag?"

'MURICA: "Okay, ass stomping boots... check. Democratic election framework plans... check. Good reason... eh, I'll figure it out on the way."

AOE: "oh if only there were some backbone leftover from the knights of old, left spinning in their graves due to what bureaucratic ninnies we've become, we could stop you tinpot!"

TINPOT: "Hahaha-"

*'MURICA Burst through the door, knocks TINPOT out*

AOE: "Thank you 'MURICA, you bunch of bible reading, gun toting, sociopaths. Get the hell out of here, we had this all squared away until you showed up!"

'MURICA: "Sure you did, kiddo. Call me when you need me again next week!"

*'MURRICA exit stage right*

AOE: "Thank god 'MURICA was here, but never let them know, it will go to their head. just keep with the insults."

*Curtain*

I need a slow clap gif for this. Well done, sir.

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Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 283	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:07:00 - [61] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So ledgend goes two scientist got a stick of iron, made two marks and between the two marks made 10 perfect marks and made those into perfect 10 sections of each as well. Thus a meter was born! The stick was then 'weigthed' and thus a kilogram, then the iron was smelted into a bowl and the water it contained was a liter! Just did the math. A 1m long bar of iron, weighing 1kg, would have to be about 1cm in radius. That gives a volume of about 0.0064 m3 of iron. To hold 1 liter (0.001 m3), the radius of the bowl would need to be 0.078 m in radius. That gives a surface area of 0.0383 m2. This means the bowl would have had to be 16cm thick. Nice bowl.
The Dragon Ascendant Destruction Initiative Enterprise 143	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:12:00 - [62] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So ledgend goes two scientist got a stick of iron, made two marks and between the two marks made 10 perfect marks and made those into perfect 10 sections of each as well. Thus a meter was born! The stick was then 'weigthed' and thus a kilogram, then the iron was smelted into a bowl and the water it contained was a liter! Actually, a metre was originally 1 ten-millionth of the distance between the equator and the north pole. It has been further refined over time as measuring equipment became more accurate. Nowadays it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second. A gram was originally defined as the mass of water 1cm cubed at a temperature of 4 degrees C, making a kilogram the same mass as a litre of water. From this a prototype kilogram was manufactured.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3243	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:12:00 - [63] - Quote Laheon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So ledgend goes two scientist got a stick of iron, made two marks and between the two marks made 10 perfect marks and made those into perfect 10 sections of each as well. Thus a meter was born! The stick was then 'weigthed' and thus a kilogram, then the iron was smelted into a bowl and the water it contained was a liter! Just did the math. A 1m long bar of iron, weighing 1kg, would have to be about 1cm in radius. That gives a volume of about 0.0064 m3 of iron. To hold 1 liter (0.001 m3), the radius of the bowl would need to be 0.078 m in radius. That gives a surface area of 0.0383 m2. This means the bowl would have had to be 16cm thick. Nice bowl. Sound about right for the era. its not like they had machines...
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3243	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:14:00 - [64] - Quote The Dragon Ascendant wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So ledgend goes two scientist got a stick of iron, made two marks and between the two marks made 10 perfect marks and made those into perfect 10 sections of each as well. Thus a meter was born! The stick was then 'weigthed' and thus a kilogram, then the iron was smelted into a bowl and the water it contained was a liter! Actually, a metre was originally 1 ten-millionth of the distance between the equator and the north pole. It has been further refined over time as measuring equipment became more accurate. Nowadays it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second. A gram was originally defined as the mass of water 1cm cubed at a temperature of 4 degrees C, making a kilogram the same mass as a litre of water. From this a prototype kilogram was manufactured. Well its a silly story that was tossed around science classes never went over the history of it. I will state this though, America flipped to metric would screw its economy over. Transportation costs would be the most fubared followed by sales of other liquids such as milk.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 515	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:15:00 - [65] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: lol don't like the metric system?? you can always leave only 3 countries don't use the metric system the US, liberia and burma. therefore your argument about the world using "feets" as measurements are wrong Then there is England, which is officially metric, but nobody on the BBC seems to use it. I remember watching something with an officer from the Royal Marines and the host said something like, "this water shouldn't get more than about three meters deep." The Marine responded, "That's about ten feet, right?"
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 387	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:18:00 - [66] - Quote Fenix Alexarr wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: When everything is obviously scaled by feet? Seriously though Everything American sucks. Learn the Metric system. You learn to not need our help every 5 minutes then. ALL OF EUROPE: "Oh no, whatever shall we do, there is another tinpot dictator at our doorstep?" 'MURICA: "Hmmm, looks like another idiot screwing with those guys I saved and am therefore responsible for." AOE: "Oh yes sir, whatever you want sir, would you like our countries on a platter, or just in a to-go bag?" 'MURICA: "Okay, ass stomping boots... check. Democratic election framework plans... check. Good reason... eh, I'll figure it out on the way." AOE: "oh if only there were some backbone leftover from the knights of old, left spinning in their graves due to what bureaucratic ninnies we've become, we could stop you tinpot!" TINPOT: "Hahaha-" 'MURICA Burst through the door, knocks TINPOT out AOE: "Thank you 'MURICA, you bunch of bible reading, gun toting, sociopaths. Get the hell out of here, we had this all squared away until you showed up!" 'MURICA: "Sure you did, kiddo. Call me when you need me again next week!" 'MURRICA exit stage right AOE: "Thank god 'MURICA was here, but never let them know, it will go to their head. just keep with the insults." Curtain I need a slow clap gif for this. Well done, sir. I started a thread in the locker room to continue this conversation so that it does not further interfere with this thread. Please look there to comment further.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3244	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:19:00 - [67] - Quote Well that is one thing about the 'english' system is that is mostly man guessable... where as metric nearly demands very specific measurements. I do acknowledge the superiority of a measurement made in the powers of 10 though an a standard that the entire world can agree to. Just some places are very deeply rooted in tradition of thousands of years, you're not going to suddenly get rid of odd measurements like yalms and the sorts.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 515	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:28:00 - [68] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will state this though, America flipped to metric would screw its economy over. Transportation costs would be the most fubared followed by sales of other liquids such as milk. I'm not sure about that, rather from a historical perspective, American traditional measurements (not the same as Imperial, BTW) were among the first modern attempts to standardize a scientific system of measurements. While the U.S. was still stuck with the baggage of England's furlongs and fortnights (and extra "u"s everywhere), men like Jefferson and Franklin were trying to reform these systems and modernize them. This standardization was occuring concurrently with the early adoption of metric in Revolutionary France. For instance, an Imperial pint is roughly 1.25 pounds of water, while an American pint was originally defined as the volume of one pound of rainwater (thought pure at the time) at room temperature. This allowed for the pint and the pound to both be equal to 16 ounces of "pure" water in the same way that a cubic centimeter is a milliliter is a gram of water. The major difference between American (US) measurements and Metric (SI) is that SI is based on powers of 10 while US is based on powers of 2. Hmm... I wonder which system is more efficient for coding embedded binary...
Uber Prime Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:36:00 - [69] - Quote Laheon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So ledgend goes two scientist got a stick of iron, made two marks and between the two marks made 10 perfect marks and made those into perfect 10 sections of each as well. Thus a meter was born! The stick was then 'weigthed' and thus a kilogram, then the iron was smelted into a bowl and the water it contained was a liter! Just did the math. A 1m long bar of iron, weighing 1kg, would have to be about 1cm in radius. That gives a volume of about 0.0064 m3 of iron. To hold 1 liter (0.001 m3), the radius of the bowl would need to be 0.078 m in radius. That gives a surface area of 0.0383 m2. This means the bowl would have had to be 16cm thick. Nice bowl. It wasn't cylindrical.
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 228	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:42:00 - [70] - Quote I hate change, but metric is superior.

Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 286	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:45:00 - [71] - Quote Doesn't have to be. Volume was worked out from density. Oh wait... I did it wrong. Oops. Volume would be 0.00127 m3, worked out from density, and the radius would be 6mm. And the thickness of the bowl would be 3.3cm thick.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:20:00 - [72] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: When everything is obviously scaled by feet? Seriously though I'm sorry. Does the world have to revolve around the imperial system of measurements rather than the metric system of measurement?
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 371	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:59:00 - [73] - Quote Wow, I'm really getting the feeling that 90% of the replies here are people that aren't actually reading the thread. Sloth9230, you should probably edit your OP to make it clearer as I was also confused until I read more. -So what you are saying that the game uses metric to scale everything and that you feel the scale is off (closer to feet). For example a 6 meter blast radius doesn't look right) -Someone else responded that our characters are larger than normal (game lore). This seems like a valid discussion. How tall (in meters) are our characters supposed to be? And using that as a reference do other things in game scale correctly. I think it would be wise to eliminate feet from the argument as if the measurement isn't metric it could be anything (3/4 of a meter for example). Honestly I never thought of character size before. If we are all supposed to be over three meters tall that would be kind of interesting to know/
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 15	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:04:00 - [74] - Quote I don't think its about which is better... just which is used more therefore making it easier for most of the world. US was in its disobedient and stubborn teen years when it came up with the Imperial system.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 721	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:06:00 - [75] - Quote We almost got the metric in the 70's lets try again! Let's try an' keep up with Australia!
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 332	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:09:00 - [76] - Quote ack! science in a video game forum getting smarter, gurgle gurgle
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 14	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:20:00 - [77] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: [quote=Chibi Andy] Now that we have that out of the way, look at the KITTEN game! What the game tells you is 30m is clearly not 30m, it's far closer to 30 feet. What if... oh my god. Wait, guys. Oh my-, wait. Just, just wait. Oh my god. Breathe. Oh man. I think I got it. I think I GOT IT! I understa- holy kitten. This is, great SCOTT, this is unbelievable. What if, just. Just wait for it. Wait. What if, ready? What if we are all GIANTS, and 30m actually looks like 30 feet! head asplode
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 518	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:28:00 - [78] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: When everything is obviously scaled by feet? Seriously though If I understand the OP correctly, the question is why the measurements given in the Attributes do not appear to be accurate in game play. Given that dropclones are 7 to 8 feet (~2.3m average), that would suggest that the blast radius of most Locus Grenades should be more than twice the height of the guy who is standing next to it. That is testable, although it would be easier in a corp battle. It is also possible that the damage is based on a curve. In that case, then the damage may be reduced to virtually nil at the outermost extreme range. For instance, a 6m grenade that inflicts 400 HP at ground zero might inflict 350 at 2m, 250 at 3m, 100 at 4m, 30 at 5m, and 10 at 6m. If this is the case, it's frustrating but really cool at the same time. Then again, I wish Dust had grenades with a full damage radius of 5m and a casualty radius of 15, like we have today.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 199	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:47:00 - [79] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The Dragon Ascendant wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So ledgend goes two scientist got a stick of iron, made two marks and between the two marks made 10 perfect marks and made those into perfect 10 sections of each as well. Thus a meter was born! The stick was then 'weigthed' and thus a kilogram, then the iron was smelted into a bowl and the water it contained was a liter! Actually, a metre was originally 1 ten-millionth of the distance between the equator and the north pole. It has been further refined over time as measuring equipment became more accurate. Nowadays it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second. A gram was originally defined as the mass of water 1cm cubed at a temperature of 4 degrees C, making a kilogram the same mass as a litre of water. From this a prototype kilogram was manufactured. Well its a silly story that was tossed around science classes never went over the history of it. I will state this though, America flipped to metric would screw its economy over. Transportation costs would be the most fubared followed by sales of other liquids such as milk. America is already officially on the metric system. Legacy english units are also allowed, but any dealings with the Government have a requirement to be in metric units at least. Also, most consumer packaging already reflects metric units as well.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 630	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:50:00 - [80] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: So I learned a few interesting things from this thread. 1. Everyone but the guy who started the thread failed to actually read and comprehend the first post, and took it the wrong way. 2. It took over a page and a half for anyone to notice he spelt "metres" wrong. Thank you for not being an idiot

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 630	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:04:00 - [81] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: When everything is obviously scaled by feet? Seriously though I'm sorry. Does the world have to revolve around the imperial system of measurements rather than the metric system of measurement? No, but this thread seems to revolve around morons that can't read past the first post.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2166	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:18:00 - [82] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: So I learned a few interesting things from this thread. 1. Everyone but the guy who started the thread failed to actually read and comprehend the first post, and took it the wrong way. 2. It took over a page and a half for anyone to notice he spelt "metres" wrong. Thank you for not being an idiot But about #2, "metres" is just one of those words we Americans spell differently, I changed it in the title anyway. Don't worry, point 2 was a joke. But "meter" is also a separate word, so thanks for changing the suggestion to avoid confusion when they introduce parking meters and start charging us for leaving our tanks unattended (actually, that could be an interesting alternative to making them explode...)
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD Legacy Rising 119	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:24:00 - [83] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: lol don't like the metric system?? you can always leave only 3 countries don't use the metric system the US, liberia and burma. therefore your argument about the world using "feets" as measurements are wrong You're an idiot. What the hell is up with all these Europeans thinking I'm some stupid American trying to claim our system is superior. Of course the metric system is better, only a moron would prefer the imperial system. Now that we have that out of the way, look at the KITTEN game! What the game tells you is 30m is clearly not 30m, it's far closer to 30 feet. So since you're all oh so proud of the metric system, how about you ask CCP why they've decided to r*pe it? lol I got what you were saying, however it did require me to read more than 3 lines of text which was a push (one too far for most others clearly)
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 332	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:25:00 - [84] - Quote ack, math and science, i'm melting, i'm melting!!! (oh wait, that's just water)
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 630	Posted - 2013.03.27 20:27:00 - [85] - Quote Vane Arcadia wrote: it did require me to read more than 3 lines of text which was a push (one too far for most others clearly) Clearly. Have a +1
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 707	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:30:00 - [86] - Quote Well, that escalated quickly. I saw this before work and was thinking something like, "Because they want to give you the impression that DUST 514 is poetry in motion, and not your average pedestrian shooter..." But, well, I did a little experimenting by pacing of 30 feet and squinted at various things like cars and passers by and buildings while holding my hands up in front of my face to get that real FPS perspective and it seems the game is fairly accurate. 30 meters (I am a bloody yank, after all) is not very far away. 30 feet is basically right up in your face. Especially if you are standing in the street and squinting at oncoming traffic, or, well, an LAV.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 632	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:32:00 - [87] - Quote Aighun wrote: Well, that escalated quickly. I saw this before work and was thinking something like, "Because they want to give you the impression that DUST 514 is poetry in motion, and not your average pedestrian shooter..." But, well, I did a little experimenting by pacing of 30 feet and squinted at various things like cars and passers by and buildings while holding my hands up in front of my face to get that real FPS perspective and it seems the game is fairly accurate. 30 meters (I am a bloody yank, after all) is not very far away. 30 feet is basically right up in your face. Especially if you are standing in the street and squinting at oncoming traffic, or, well, an LAV. Do you have a 12 inch foot? o.O, lol jk.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1140	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:48:00 - [88] - Quote I think people are missing the point of this thread. The OP is saying that what the game calls a meter isn't a meter.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 696	Posted - 2013.03.28 00:28:00 - [89] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: The Metric System is scientific too. Doing engineering calculations where there are pounds-force and pounds-mass is just odd. Odd?
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 339	Posted - 2013.03.28 00:33:00 - [90] - Quote 4447 wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The Metric System is scientific too. Doing engineering calculations where there are pounds-force and pounds-mass is just odd. Odd? i'd say more unpleasant then odd



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