DUST Search - This is what good gameplay looks like [video]

Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Show me a dust montage that can compare. It's about taking the best, right? Well show me the best that Dust had to offer.

If you had to advertise Dust to another shooter to try and get him to play...what will you show him? If I wanted to showcase MAG, there are tons of good montages out there that will reflect the carnage in MAG. I wouldn't have to look hard.

And sure there may be some good Dust montages out there but compare the gameplay to others. Once again...this isn't a Dust hate thread, as I really like the game and I put hours into it. But you guys aren't helping by accepting mediocrity. I have guys that are really trying to enjoy the gameplay but really play just because our clan is active in it. I'm still trying to convince others to play but they just are not impressed yet.

Comparing a game that was out for years in final product to a game in beta for a year and which has only been in Open Beta for what? 2months? So thats 2 months of footage for people, how many amazing epic montages you expecting in 2 months? You realize people arnt allowed to use footage from before Open Beta.

Accepting mediocrity? We are in the same boat as you, we are waiting for the next new update, expect some people try to post real feedback not post a montage of an old game just say "That gameplay > DUST's".

Anyway, i know what your getting at Dubbs can easily tell your frustrated with the game and lack of new content etc etc just like 90% of the community. But this bringing out montages and using that to compare to DUST... lol. I could bring out some CS videos from the early 2000's that would prob make DUST look like crap lol.

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Kreayshawn Coruscanti Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 136	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:33:00 - [31] - Quote Even in tournament battles where you're behind on MCC armor and two letters are being held versus your one letter, DUST just lacks the sense of urgency that a single random game of MAG had :( Don't take my post as bashing DUST, I just really want that sense of urgency back
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 70	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:35:00 - [32] - Quote Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote: Even in tournament battles where you're behind on MCC armor and two letters are being held versus your one letter, DUST just lacks the sense of urgency that a single random game of MAG had :( This is fair enough, but I left MAG because of that fast pace.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1001	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:39:00 - [33] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Laheon wrote: Yay, another thread comparing MAG to DUST. Two games with completely different aims. Stop comparing the two, dammit. There's no point. If you don't like DUST, then go play something else. If you actually want to help improve the game, then post constructively. Saying "make it like MAG" is hardly helpful, and not to mention completely ridiculous. DUST is NOT MAG. Get over it, people. Dude, **** MAG....although this video is from MAG, you guys are missing the point. This isn't a MAG>Dust thread. This is a thread showing what good gameplay looks like. If I knew a good BF3 infantry montage, then I would display it. Raptor's video came to mind because he made some epic montages in his day. YOu're comparing Dust to MAG and saying MAG is good. How the hell is that NOT a MAG>dust thread? Seriously, think about it for a minute. Don't go off on a tangent....I'll help you with a redirect. Dust gameplay needs to step up if they wish to have a decent playerbase and wish to be considered a great game. The video is an example of what fun looks like. If I knew a BF3 montage or something, I would post it...especially since BF3 is the closest game to Dust. Dust doesn't have to be MAG...but it has to step up the gameplay. Increase player count, initiate faster movements, make the controls more smooth (so clunky right now....you have to really press down on the controller to keep running sometimes. because it'll stop you), for 16v16, implement a game mode that'll force carnage. The new spawn system in ambush promotes both sides camping on opposite sides of the battlefield.
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 350	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:41:00 - [34] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Show me a dust montage that can compare. It's about taking the best, right? Well show me the best that Dust had to offer. If you had to advertise Dust to another shooter to try and get him to play...what will you show him? If I wanted to showcase MAG, there are tons of good montages out there that will reflect the carnage in MAG. I wouldn't have to look hard. And sure there may be some good Dust montages out there but compare the gameplay to others. Once again...this isn't a Dust hate thread, as I really like the game and I put hours into it. But you guys aren't helping by accepting mediocrity. I have guys that are really trying to enjoy the gameplay but really play just because our clan is active in it. I'm still trying to convince others to play but they just are not impressed yet. Comparing a game that was out for years in final product to a game in beta for a year and which has only been in Open Beta for what? 2months? So thats 2 months of footage for people, how many amazing epic montages you expecting in 2 months? You realize people arnt allowed to use footage from before Open Beta. Accepting mediocrity? We are in the same boat as you, we are waiting for the next new update, expect some people try to post real feedback not post a montage of an old game just say "That gameplay > DUST's". Anyway, i know what your getting at Dubbs can easily tell your frustrated with the game and lack of new content etc etc just like 90% of the community. But this bringing out montages and using that to compare to DUST... lol. I could bring out some CS videos from the early 2000's that would prob make DUST look like crap lol.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1001	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:41:00 - [35] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: DOn't come to this game and ask for it to be like MAG. Personally, I quit MAG two days after I rented it to try it out. It was just WAY too fast and the weapons balance was ****. Dust has a great speed balance**, finally. Makes for good squad fights. lmao gtfo here.
Brigitte Newt The Tritan Industries 32	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:44:00 - [36] - Quote If Dust was anything like that I would be long gone. Actually I wouldnt even try it out. Dont get me wrong, I never played MAG nor will I, game could be great, its just not my style. In Dust you need to work out less or more (depends on the player) if you wanna kill 5 players in a row, its not just 5 seconds later and boom they are all dead. I do like it when I need to reload my HMG for a 8 looong seconds, when you cant kill someone just like that. I really want it to be even harder, slower than it is now. Yeah, there are so many things that needs to be better in Dust, yeah, we are all bored and waiting for new stuff, but like this?! I dont think so.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 222	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:45:00 - [37] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Dust doesn't have to be MAG...but it has to step up the gameplay. Increase player count, initiate faster movements, make the controls more smooth (so clunky right now....you have to really press down on the controller to keep running sometimes. because it'll stop you), for 16v16, implement a game mode that'll force carnage. The new spawn system in ambush promotes both sides camping on opposite sides of the battlefield. It will increase player count. There are plans, I believe, to step it up to 128 players. Faster movement isn't really a problem, imo. And I'm waiting for release, for the new vehicles (especially the heavy aircraft - they should be fun!), new dropsuits, new weapons, etc. And huge maps.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 161	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:46:00 - [38] - Quote Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote: Even in tournament battles where you're behind on MCC armor and two letters are being held versus your one letter, DUST just lacks the sense of urgency that a single random game of MAG had :( Don't take my post as bashing DUST, I just really want that sense of urgency back Ther is no urgency because nothing is at stake Urgency was only in MAG due to varying factors Take the 'shadow war' it didnt really exist but you could rep your faction and take the contracts, roleplaying if you like, take the TTT weekend In game, sabotage, C gets planted on a loud siren comes on basically, domination voice overs in game and stuff blowing up, acquistion when you lost your transport etc Also in game, the players, the leaders in the game pushing you to do something and not be ***** useless We are all waiting for PC and FW, why? because we know these will actually effect things in EVE and DUST, lose a district you lose your income and clones and the abaility to fight more which may harm your alliance In game for DUST i would like it if sirens did go off, we had voice overs telling us to take that ** back, losers got no ISK payout and only loot and SP Right now its only skirmish and nothing changes win lose or draw
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1001	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:46:00 - [39] - Quote Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Show me a dust montage that can compare. It's about taking the best, right? Well show me the best that Dust had to offer. If you had to advertise Dust to another shooter to try and get him to play...what will you show him? If I wanted to showcase MAG, there are tons of good montages out there that will reflect the carnage in MAG. I wouldn't have to look hard. And sure there may be some good Dust montages out there but compare the gameplay to others. Once again...this isn't a Dust hate thread, as I really like the game and I put hours into it. But you guys aren't helping by accepting mediocrity. I have guys that are really trying to enjoy the gameplay but really play just because our clan is active in it. I'm still trying to convince others to play but they just are not impressed yet. Comparing a game that was out for years in final product to a game in beta for a year and which has only been in Open Beta for what? 2months? So thats 2 months of footage for people, how many amazing epic montages you expecting in 2 months? You realize people arnt allowed to use footage from before Open Beta. Accepting mediocrity? We are in the same boat as you, we are waiting for the next new update, expect some people try to post real feedback not post a montage of an old game just say "That gameplay > DUST's". Anyway, i know what your getting at Dubbs can easily tell your frustrated with the game and lack of new content etc etc just like 90% of the community. But this bringing out montages and using that to compare to DUST... lol. I could bring out some CS videos from the early 2000's that would prob make DUST look like crap lol. Then you should bring them out. You said it yourself....this is a beta. Well, this is the perfect time to let the devs know what they need to do to improve the gameplay experience.
J0hlss0n Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:46:00 - [40] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: If I knew a BF3 montage or something, I would post it.... This comes to my mind when speaking of intense BF3 montages: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_jjnpLSwdc

Kreayshawn Coruscanti Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 138	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:46:00 - [41] - Quote For the guy who keeps asking for footage of full games. Like, look at the different objectives. You have your two burnoff towers, the intense fights that would happen on bunkers, trying to keep the enemy off the anti-air battery so they can't drop strikes on you, disabling the enemies mortar so they can't drop strikes on you, OIC's on both teams trying to jam out the other at the perfect time, trying to take or defend the next set of cooling towers, then finally fighting inside the letters trying to hold them along with keeping the enemies from ninja repairing their entire frontline on you, it feels corny but I mean that was the most intense gameplay I've ever had EDIT: But this video also does a good job demonstrating how DUST will never have that same level of carnage, and I don't think that is a bad thing. I just want that sense of urgency back, it doesn't have to be the way it was in MAG, that's just a demonstration of one way it was done.
Morathi III Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 79	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:48:00 - [42] - Quote Mag was horrible the game got kill because unbalanced, knife is waY too much OP
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1004	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:48:00 - [43] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote: Even in tournament battles where you're behind on MCC armor and two letters are being held versus your one letter, DUST just lacks the sense of urgency that a single random game of MAG had :( Don't take my post as bashing DUST, I just really want that sense of urgency back Ther is no urgency because nothing is at stake Urgency was only in MAG due to varying factors Take the 'shadow war' it didnt really exist but you could rep your faction and take the contracts, roleplaying if you like, take the TTT weekend In game, sabotage, C gets planted on a loud siren comes on basically, domination voice overs in game and stuff blowing up, acquistion when you lost your transport etc Also in game, the players, the leaders in the game pushing you to do something and not be ***** useless We are all waiting for PC and FW, why? because we know these will actually effect things in EVE and DUST, lose a district you lose your income and clones and the abaility to fight more which may harm your alliance In game for DUST i would like it if sirens did go off, we had voice overs telling us to take that ** back, losers got no ISK payout and only loot and SP Right now its only skirmish and nothing changes win lose or draw But you're talking about rpg and meta game. That part is already good...which is why we are all still here. But the gameplay itself needs improvement.
Kreayshawn Coruscanti Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 138	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:53:00 - [44] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote: Even in tournament battles where you're behind on MCC armor and two letters are being held versus your one letter, DUST just lacks the sense of urgency that a single random game of MAG had :( Don't take my post as bashing DUST, I just really want that sense of urgency back Ther is no urgency because nothing is at stake Urgency was only in MAG due to varying factors Take the 'shadow war' it didnt really exist but you could rep your faction and take the contracts, roleplaying if you like, take the TTT weekend In game, sabotage, C gets planted on a loud siren comes on basically, domination voice overs in game and stuff blowing up, acquistion when you lost your transport etc Also in game, the players, the leaders in the game pushing you to do something and not be ***** useless We are all waiting for PC and FW, why? because we know these will actually effect things in EVE and DUST, lose a district you lose your income and clones and the abaility to fight more which may harm your alliance In game for DUST i would like it if sirens did go off, we had voice overs telling us to take that ** back, losers got no ISK payout and only loot and SP Right now its only skirmish and nothing changes win lose or draw But that's kind of the point. Even random meaningless games on MAG had more urgency than the tournament matches and "big" ISK contract corp battles on DUST. PC will bring a larger sense of "We need to win" but it doesn't change the fact that simply playing the game doesn't get me as excited as I would like it to.
Judge Rhadamanthus Shining Flame Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:55:00 - [45] - Quote Stopped after 30 seconds. The knife (or 3 foot katana) ruined that game for me. Your video demonstrated one of MAGs biggest gameplay fails. Hateful OHK of armored people shooting you while slashing wildly with a broken ranged sword. AWFUL.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 161	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:56:00 - [46] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote: Even in tournament battles where you're behind on MCC armor and two letters are being held versus your one letter, DUST just lacks the sense of urgency that a single random game of MAG had :( Don't take my post as bashing DUST, I just really want that sense of urgency back Ther is no urgency because nothing is at stake Urgency was only in MAG due to varying factors Take the 'shadow war' it didnt really exist but you could rep your faction and take the contracts, roleplaying if you like, take the TTT weekend In game, sabotage, C gets planted on a loud siren comes on basically, domination voice overs in game and stuff blowing up, acquistion when you lost your transport etc Also in game, the players, the leaders in the game pushing you to do something and not be ***** useless We are all waiting for PC and FW, why? because we know these will actually effect things in EVE and DUST, lose a district you lose your income and clones and the abaility to fight more which may harm your alliance In game for DUST i would like it if sirens did go off, we had voice overs telling us to take that back, losers got no ISK payout and only loot and SP Right now its only skirmish and nothing changes win lose or draw But you're talking about rpg and meta game. That part is already good...which is why we are all still here. But the gameplay itself needs improvement. The meta game does matter If you didnt have voiceovers banging on about BO towers, AAA going down, pumps getting taken, sirens sounding when pumps getting taken, warning about airstrikes, bunkers being armed then no one would give a , leaders on broadcast in your ear The atmosphere and enviroment all play a part of urgency, without any of that MAG would have been as bland as **
InsidiousN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.03.24 16:56:00 - [47] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: This is what carnage is....for many of my fellow ex-MAG players, you may have seen this already. But this video is to show the CCP devs and anyone else who feels that Dust gameplay is fine as it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk_paP56HcM It's hard trying to recapture these moments in Dust Damn, now I really want to play MAG. And hard? No, it's impossible to have memorable moments in DUST514...geez whiz guys, remember that time we lost because half our team was AFK in the MCC, or remember that time my random teammate ran me over with his LAV because we can't group up together as a corp?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 223	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:01:00 - [48] - Quote InsidiousN wrote: Damn, now I really want to play MAG. And hard? No, it's impossible to have memorable moments in DUST514...geez whiz guys, remember that time we lost because half our team was AFK in the MCC, or remember that time my random teammate ran me over with his LAV because we can't group up together as a corp? I have a few memorable moments. Accidentally running into a group of 5 enemies on skirmish, completely alone, whacking out the SMG and killing two of them before running away with a sliver of armor left. Ahhh, fun times. Or blowing up an LAV coming at me with an AV grenade, then dodging out of the way. Just.
leafblades Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:02:00 - [49] - Quote If dust had the knife-arc, range and damage that mag did, i'd still be a leaf shinobi... :(
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 473	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:04:00 - [50] - Quote That game looked like a.ss, imho.

Rusticuls NECROMONGER'S 7	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:05:00 - [51] - Quote Your never going to get a video like that with vets in Dust, the health systems are too different. I loved Mag but it never had the variety of gear that Dust currently has and that creates a system where knifing and shotgunning aren't really going to yield same results especially if it's not against scout's. Mag had better map design, all the game modes had maps that were specifically designed for that mode and created choke points so that gameplay was fast paced. Hopefully Planetary Conquest will bring something like that into Dust, a defense game mode where there will be choke point areas with strategic objectives.
CrotchGrab 360 Better Hide R Die 19	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:10:00 - [52] - Quote this is my MAG montage, it's blocked in Germany by the way I didn't have a capture card at the time. Seriously, I loved playing with Raptor but past September 2010 you could NOT knife people like that. MY MAG MONTAGE
CrotchGrab 360 Better Hide R Die 19	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:15:00 - [53] - Quote Oh and thanks a lot YDubbs for making MAG look like ****! PEOPLE, the knife does NOT work like that in MAG anymore! I have plenty of recent clan matches and videos on my channel from MAG! But if you play it make sure you live in America or you will get hit so hard with LAG!
Kreayshawn Coruscanti Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 138	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:15:00 - [54] - Quote Yeah I think ydubbs set a very bad tone for this thread with that godawful pre 2.0 knife spree montage :D
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 189	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:31:00 - [55] - Quote This is the first time I've ever actually seen MAG gameplay. Looks like more circle strafing, bunny hopping, crap. It's the exact kind of thing I wish DUST had less of, not more.

GM Hercules Game Masters C C P Alliance 366	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:33:00 - [56] - Quote Moved to the relevant channel.

Kreayshawn Coruscanti Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 139	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:37:00 - [57] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: This is the first time I've ever actually seen MAG gameplay. Looks like more circle strafing, bunny hopping, crap. It's the exact kind of thing I wish DUST had less of, not more. The gunplay of MAG was only half of it, MAG did a very good job with objective based gameplay, and that's where majority of the urgency comes from.
InsidiousN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:42:00 - [58] - Quote Laheon wrote: InsidiousN wrote: Damn, now I really want to play MAG. And hard? No, it's impossible to have memorable moments in DUST514...geez whiz guys, remember that time we lost because half our team was AFK in the MCC, or remember that time my random teammate ran me over with his LAV because we can't group up together as a corp? I have a few memorable moments. Accidentally running into a group of 5 enemies on skirmish, completely alone, whacking out the SMG and killing two of them before running away with a sliver of armor left. Ahhh, fun times. Or blowing up an LAV coming at me with an AV grenade, then dodging out of the way. Just. Oh ya, I did have some memorable matches, like that one when I destroyed 6 Tanks in my Scout suit, that match froze before the end and I received no stats for it.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1005	Posted - 2013.03.24 19:15:00 - [59] - Quote Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote: Yeah I think ydubbs set a very bad tone for this thread with that godawful pre 2.0 knife spree montage :D It wouldn't have mattered which montage I used, tbh. They would have found faults in Z's montage if I used it.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1005	Posted - 2013.03.24 19:17:00 - [60] - Quote Laheon wrote: InsidiousN wrote: Damn, now I really want to play MAG. And hard? No, it's impossible to have memorable moments in DUST514...geez whiz guys, remember that time we lost because half our team was AFK in the MCC, or remember that time my random teammate ran me over with his LAV because we can't group up together as a corp? I have a few memorable moments. Accidentally running into a group of 5 enemies on skirmish, completely alone, whacking out the SMG and killing two of them before running away with a sliver of armor left. Ahhh, fun times. Or blowing up an LAV coming at me with an AV grenade, then dodging out of the way. Just. Wait....that is memorable for you? Destroying one LAV? Killing two people out of 5? But then diss a guy that killed like 5 or 6 with pistols, shotguns, smgs, etc. This is what I'm arguing against?



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