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N1ck Comeau
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:41:00 -
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If you have under 2 million skill points then you should go into a different section then the players above 2 million.
Maybe it can be called the Merc training grounds. Exact replicas of the already made maps would be what you play on.
It can be a place for new players to get to know how to play and also learning the maps. |
General John Ripper
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:46:00 -
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grouping all the noobs together sounds like a great idea. |
jwh49
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:49:00 -
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Hey everybody was a noob at some time i know i need all the help i can get |
Blamejudg3s KEQ
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:53:00 -
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Too complicated for the matchmaking service.
Step 1. Set Voice chat default on and PTT default off.
Step 2. Until players hit the max cap of skillpoints ( day 1 beta till present) players never reach their soft cap and continue to catch up the mercs ahead of them.
Step 3. Price evaluation. The suits you destroy are equivalent to the isk you gain. Salvage works by killing a ceryain amount of isk of an item per match. Players can only get higher level gear from salvage.
Step 4. Corp matches for skill points. |
Coleman Gray
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:57:00 -
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I already said awhile back we need to have a filter system so new players don't get thrown in waaay over their heads, my suggestion was meta level caps or requirments but an SP based filter sounds more effective and fair. |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:59:00 -
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Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:Too complicated for the matchmaking service.
Step 1. Set Voice chat default on and PTT default off.
Step 2. Until players hit the max cap of skillpoints ( day 1 beta till present) players never reach their soft cap and continue to catch up the mercs ahead of them.
Step 3. Price evaluation. The suits you destroy are equivalent to the isk you gain. Salvage works by killing a ceryain amount of isk of an item per match. Players can only get higher level gear from salvage.
Step 4. Corp matches for skill points.
Step1. Cost...CCP contracts out the voice servers and this is a free to play....
Step 2. Might as well just say remove skill cap completely...this will just continue to increase the divide between old/new and hardcore/casual players.
Step 3. This would exclude logistics and pilot roles and thus a deal breaker.
Step 4. EXPLOITABLE...I'll say this again...EXPLOITABLE...  |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:08:00 -
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Meh. Throw the noobs to the lions. This game is on it's way out soon anyway if CCP can't get their shizznizzle together. |
N1ck Comeau
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:08:00 -
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I mean there is other answers to the problem but what better then just letting the noobs fight each other. i don't see why not
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Dany 7A5H
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:12:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:I already said awhile back we need to have a filter system so new players don't get thrown in waaay over their heads, my suggestion was meta level caps or requirments but an SP based filter sounds more effective and fair.
Best way to learn is to get thrown into the fray....lucky we got spawns.
Its not like new players loose much from dying....fits are cheap!
That being said 3 Militia fits killing a 700,000 isk fit using a balac or something is diffidently worth the 20 deaths it took to do it.
Your trying to add segregation and "a leveling" playing field into what is considered the HARSHEST and CRUELEST Sci-Fi franchise out there...
So I mean...thats what makes us all love it, right?
well I got to say it it hasnt been said in a good ten minutes..
WELCOME TO NEW EDEN
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Dany 7A5H
G I A N T
18
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:15:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:I mean there is other answers to the problem but what better then just letting the noobs fight each other. i don't see why not
Unfortunately this is a twitch action game and not point and click...ive seem old players play like shite and new players do amazing ordeals.
This would NOT level the playing field
Some people max out AR from day 1, others got SP spread around like seeds on a farm.
All you'd do is let the actual "good" low SP guys completely dominate the idkwtfimdoing newberries whilst having a division in the higher-end SP range where some people at 6mil SP have proto everything in their fit and others experimented...
That, and more time taken from the DEVs that IMO needs to go into other areas right now. |
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N1ck Comeau
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:27:00 -
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Dany 7A5H wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I mean there is other answers to the problem but what better then just letting the noobs fight each other. i don't see why not
Unfortunately this is a twitch action game and not point and click...ive seem old players play like shite and new players do amazing ordeals. This would NOT level the playing field Some people max out AR from day 1, others got SP spread around like seeds on a farm. All you'd do is let the actual "good" low SP guys completely dominate the idkwtfimdoing newberries whilst having a division in the higher-end SP range where some people at 6mil SP have proto everything in their fit and others experimented... That, and more time taken from the DEVs that IMO needs to go into other areas right now.
Not many people who start playing this game are perfectly amazing at this game.
And if there good they'll get over 2 million quickly |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
499
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:34:00 -
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it's a big magnet for people to create alts which will still pubstomp the noobs regauradless of SP levels. wont solve anything. the noobs will still die because they don't spend their SP right, or will still not even bother to refit their defaults..
the vet alts who know what there doing or the newbs who've been instructed on fits by the vets won't be filtered out vs the masses of default fittings.
maybe in the highest of high sec make a default fitting only match... but even then they'll still be crying that they're being pubstomped.. alot of the cry about that is just from players looking for an excuse to why they're not good at FPS |
Dany 7A5H
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:42:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Dany 7A5H wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I mean there is other answers to the problem but what better then just letting the noobs fight each other. i don't see why not
Unfortunately this is a twitch action game and not point and click...ive seem old players play like shite and new players do amazing ordeals. This would NOT level the playing field Some people max out AR from day 1, others got SP spread around like seeds on a farm. All you'd do is let the actual "good" low SP guys completely dominate the idkwtfimdoing newberries whilst having a division in the higher-end SP range where some people at 6mil SP have proto everything in their fit and others experimented... That, and more time taken from the DEVs that IMO needs to go into other areas right now. Not many people who start playing this game are perfectly amazing at this game. And if there good they'll get over 2 million quickly
Ill make an alt, put ALLL skill points in weaponry, dmg mod and 1-shot every newberry in existance.
Furthermore due to passive skill points, unless players actually work their ASS OFF, your stuck in this bracket of "im only fighting these 1000 people cuz were all born on this day".... |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:44:00 -
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I dont agree to sgregate the newbs.
yes it is hard to start but the fact of beeing in a match with crazy advanced tanks and ship and players with me I love it.
it's important that they blend in and work sholder to sholder with the veterans |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:52:00 -
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I don't think segregation would work at all. I have just under 1mil SP, and I have killed people in proto gear. This is with an GEK-38 AR, against people with Duvolles. |
Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:59:00 -
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half the skill is knowing when to engage and when to disengage. hit and run or stay and fight, prioritizing targets is huge in this game, if you transfix on the wrong target you die. no SP bracket will help them in this |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:01:00 -
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+1 OP, great idea. |
Xavier Vontrovis
The Smoking Guns C.S.C.
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:08:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:half the skill is knowing when to engage and when to disengage. hit and run or stay and fight, prioritizing targets is huge in this game, if you transfix on the wrong target you die. no SP bracket will help them in this
Yes run away from the men in black. But if I only had another clip to get those last few armor points off. |
Nemo Bluntz
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:10:00 -
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Dany 7A5H wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I mean there is other answers to the problem but what better then just letting the noobs fight each other. i don't see why not
Unfortunately this is a twitch action game and not point and click...ive seem old players play like shite and new players do amazing ordeals. This would NOT level the playing field
Haha, what?
A new player rocking a militia gear against a proto suit/duvolle combo, no matter how good he is, is going to fail miserably. Separating these players would absolutely level the playing field.
This isn't BF3 or whatever where everyone has the same health and all of the weapons are pretty well balanced. Putting the weaker gear vs. weaker gear makes the most sense in the world. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:10:00 -
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Laheon wrote:I don't think segregation would work at all. I have just under 1mil SP, and I have killed people in proto gear. This is with an GEK-38 AR, against people with Duvolles.
It's not segregation, all the mercs have to start somewhere and it will be easier for new players to learn and enjoy the game playing with those of equal or less SP than people like me who have 4.6 Million. Everybody will eventually be able to play with everybody if they continue to play the game.
Do you put a lightweight champion in a bout against a Heavyweight that hasn't even won a championship? No because guaranteed that Heavyweight will win. |
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Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
744
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:10:00 -
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No CAP till you hit 5 million SP. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:19:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:It's not segregation, all the mercs have to start somewhere and it will be easier for new players to learn and enjoy the game playing with those of equal or less SP than people like me who have 4.6 Million. Everybody will eventually be able to play with everybody if they continue to play the game.
Do you put a lightweight champion in a bout against a Heavyweight that hasn't even won a championship? No because guaranteed that Heavyweight will win.
Technically it is segregation. The separation of two groups of being based on a particular trait, in this case, SP.
Anyway. I digress. There's a saying in EVE Online. Adapt or die. As a newberry, there are a multitude of things you need to learn. The best way is to learn against tougher opponents. For example, when just starting out, I might have half-expected to take on a couple of players solo. Like you can in, say, Halo. But then you run into two heavies with HMGs and die a horrible death.
So you learn, don't run into heavies at short range. Then you learn don't run into a group of enemies solo. And so on, and so forth. It's not like you can get good overnight. You wouldn't learn these strategies when you're playing against other newberries, you have to learn on the go. Yes, it's hard, but it makes you a better player at the end of it all. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
375
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:25:00 -
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Teach them how to AFK farm....easiest solution then tell them to start playing once they hit 2.5 million SP.  |
Dany 7A5H
G I A N T
23
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:32:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Dany 7A5H wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I mean there is other answers to the problem but what better then just letting the noobs fight each other. i don't see why not
Unfortunately this is a twitch action game and not point and click...ive seem old players play like shite and new players do amazing ordeals. This would NOT level the playing field Haha, what? A new player rocking a militia gear against a proto suit/duvolle combo, no matter how good he is, is going to fail miserably. Separating these players would absolutely level the playing field. This isn't BF3 or whatever where everyone has the same health and all of the weapons are pretty well balanced. Putting the weaker gear vs. weaker gear makes the most sense in the world.
I run a militia BPO fit raven suit with an exile and toxin when im not tanking and ive taken out proto dV users.
You need to stop thinking this game is 1v1 and learn that any player that knows his place on the battlefield can be lethal if he does the right action at the right oppertune time...GEK or not |
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