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iceyburnz wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

I dont think you know what an opinion is.

It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon.

You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant.

The PS3 doesn't need ram, its designed differently. The PS3 isn't a desktop PC it doesn't require a RAM cache to store an OS, working documents or other memory overheads while you go get coffee or figure out what a Spearman Rho is. PS3 streams tiny pieces of information through high bus bandwith. Console are optimised to play games. The issue that many games production companies have its almost like computer programming in the 1980s, its basically bloody hard work. None of this middlewear bollocks, to optimise you have to get into the engineering of the console.

So basically your statement about RAM is irrelevant. Sorry the PS3 doesn't fit into your a schema of how a computer should work.

/Theskyisn'tfalling

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Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1232	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:27:00 - [1] - Quote There's 3 photos taken directly in Shangai's office and tweeted by @CCP_Praetorian and @acaspersson http://tinyurl.com/buz7gf6 I especially like the first one ! Will be good to see grounds that aren't brown or grey
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries 54	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:35:00 - [2] - Quote Bear in mind that once they press the "Push to PS3" button those textures will be reduced to 16x16, with an optional 32x32 streamable texture to display dynamically when staring directly at the floor for three to five minutes.
Judge Rhadamanthus Shining Flame Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:40:00 - [3] - Quote ...x-box controller...
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 166	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:50:00 - [4] - Quote Looks like all they did was change the color from red to grey. Overall not impressed at all.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1232	Posted - 2013.03.22 09:47:00 - [5] - Quote I find the textures to be way more smooth than what we have now. How it will look once on PS3, guess we'll just have to wait and see but from those photos, the improvements is obvious to me.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 134	Posted - 2013.03.22 09:51:00 - [6] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: ...x-box controller... Game devs. They sometimes play games. SHOCKER!
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 17	Posted - 2013.03.22 10:03:00 - [7] - Quote not sure what you guys are so pessimistic about, graphics look like an infinite improvement. cant wait for the update!
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 54	Posted - 2013.03.22 10:38:00 - [8] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: not sure what you guys are so pessimistic about, graphics look like an infinite improvement. cant wait for the update! Someone isn't paying attention. You aren't getting those graphics, that's the PC dev build. The PS3 can't handle those textures.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 940	Posted - 2013.03.22 10:49:00 - [9] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: ...x-box controller... Duh, they play it on pc fool
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 17	Posted - 2013.03.22 10:50:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: not sure what you guys are so pessimistic about, graphics look like an infinite improvement. cant wait for the update! Someone isn't paying attention. You aren't getting those graphics, that's the PC dev build. The PS3 can't handle those textures. You'll excuse me if i dont take your unqualified opinion as gospel. Logic says that if they had no intention of using it, they would not have built it.

Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries 56	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:01:00 - [11] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: not sure what you guys are so pessimistic about, graphics look like an infinite improvement. cant wait for the update! Someone isn't paying attention. You aren't getting those graphics, that's the PC dev build. The PS3 can't handle those textures. You'll excuse me if i dont take your unqualified opinion as gospel. Logic says that if they had no intention of using it, they would not have built it. Oh, they're going to use it. For PS4.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 56	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:05:00 - [12] - Quote I dont think you know what an opinion is. It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon. You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 18	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:12:00 - [13] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I dont think you know what an opinion is. It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon. You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant. Haha no, my point was that you don't work for CCP, which I can say with relative certainty. That means your opinion is unqaulified, as you have no idea what their plan is. You'll note that I never made any mention about PS3 or any other platform. If i see it on the PS4, then that's when I see it. either way I'm excited for the next update and the graphics improvements that it will bring. You'd do well not to pass off your conjecture as fact, chances are you'll end up looking like an idiot.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 600	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:20:00 - [14] - Quote Then CCP said let there be color
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 386	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:29:00 - [15] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I dont think you know what an opinion is. It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon. You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant. The PS3 doesn't need ram, its designed differently. The PS3 isn't a desktop PC it doesn't require a RAM cache to store an OS, working documents or other memory overheads while you go get coffee or figure out what a Spearman Rho is. PS3 streams tiny pieces of information through high bus bandwith. Console are optimised to play games. The issue that many games production companies have its almost like computer programming in the 1980s, its basically bloody hard work. None of this middlewear bollocks, to optimise you have to get into the engineering of the console. So basically your statement about RAM is irrelevant. Sorry the PS3 doesn't fit into your a schema of how a computer should work. /Theskyisn'tfalling
neurol forever Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:33:00 - [16] - Quote PS3 can-¦t handle thit, PS3 can-¦t handle that. Kitten. Try Unreal Tournament 3 on PS3 from 2007. Same engine, hi-res textures, big open maps, smooth 30fps framerate.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 58	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:05:00 - [17] - Quote neurol forever wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I dont think you know what an opinion is. It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon. You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant. PS3 can-¦t handle thit, PS3 can-¦t handle that. Kitten. Try Unreal Tournament 3 on PS3 from 2007. Same engine, hi-res textures, big open maps, smooth 30fps framerate. Smooth and 30 fps don't belong in the same sentence.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 386	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:13:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: neurol forever wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I dont think you know what an opinion is. It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon. You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant. PS3 can-¦t handle thit, PS3 can-¦t handle that. Kitten. Try Unreal Tournament 3 on PS3 from 2007. Same engine, hi-res textures, big open maps, smooth 30fps framerate. Smooth and 30 fps don't belong in the same sentence. Thats the frame rate of a standard modern television broadcast, more or less. Dunno what you want.
neurol forever Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:14:00 - [19] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Smooth and 30 fps don't belong in the same sentence. You are right. My english is not my native language. My mistake. Stable 30fps framerate.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 58	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:16:00 - [20] - Quote Start at 60 and we can go from there.

neurol forever Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:30:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Start at 60 and we can go from there. There isn't a single competitive FPS out there that runs in any kind of E-sports league at sub-60 FPS right now, and there is a reason for that. It looks like crap, it plays like crap, and it lowers the skill ceiling. Dust isn't going the E-sports route in most likelihood, but it doesn't change the fact it lowers the skill ceiling and looks terrible compared to 60. First you wrote about textures and RAM in PS3. Now when you haven-¦t vauable argument about what you wrote before you writing about 60fps now. You are amazing.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3188	Posted - 2013.03.22 13:36:00 - [22] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: not sure what you guys are so pessimistic about, graphics look like an infinite improvement. cant wait for the update! Because of the way ps3 handels things every bit of graphics is taken a notch down onto the ps3. Those are more like graphics you'd find on a super high end computer or the ps4 maybe even. Now real observations though are the shift in color pallets, that shouldn't' change that much.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3188	Posted - 2013.03.22 13:36:00 - [23] - Quote neurol forever wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Start at 60 and we can go from there. There isn't a single competitive FPS out there that runs in any kind of E-sports league at sub-60 FPS right now, and there is a reason for that. It looks like crap, it plays like crap, and it lowers the skill ceiling. Dust isn't going the E-sports route in most likelihood, but it doesn't change the fact it lowers the skill ceiling and looks terrible compared to 60. First you wrote about textures and RAM in PS3. Now when you haven-¦t vauable argument about what you wrote before you writing about 60fps now. You are amazing. Would like to point out call of duty runs on 30.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Legacy Rising 169	Posted - 2013.03.22 13:44:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would like to point out call of duty runs on 30. Well, CoD uses a heavily modified version of the same engine that ran the first Modern Warfare, which was what 6 years ago? So the engine is 8? Also, unlike Dust, that 30 fps rate is very stable. Or at least it was in the last CoD game I played. But that was a couple of years ago.
neurol forever Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.03.22 14:09:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would like to point out call of duty runs on 30. COD runs on consoles betwen 40 to 60 fps http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-face-off But have kitten resolution
Cat Merc Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 174	Posted - 2013.03.22 14:23:00 - [26] - Quote If I remember correctly, Modern Warfare 2 was 540p upscaled to 720p. And yes it was 60fps.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 346	Posted - 2013.03.22 14:31:00 - [27] - Quote Far cry 3 uses massive maps and view distance and it looks great.
Cat Merc Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 176	Posted - 2013.03.22 16:04:00 - [28] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Far cry 3 uses massive maps and view distance and it looks great. If you could see anything with the 20 fps. Tough it does keep a steady 20fps even during firefights.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 142	Posted - 2013.03.22 16:14:00 - [29] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I dont think you know what an opinion is. It's a fact the PS3 can't handle those full textures. The PS4 can, but you sure as hell won't be playing with that anytime soon. You can say I'm unqualified, but then, you really don't know a thing about me or my background so that's just ignorance on your part. You COULD attempt to do your own research into the PS3's terrible RAM limitations, but something tells me you would rather stay ignorant. The PS3 doesn't need ram, its designed differently. The PS3 isn't a desktop PC it doesn't require a RAM cache to store an OS, working documents or other memory overheads while you go get coffee or figure out what a Spearman Rho is. PS3 streams tiny pieces of information through high bus bandwith. Console are optimised to play games. The issue that many games production companies have its almost like computer programming in the 1980s, its basically bloody hard work. None of this middlewear bollocks, to optimise you have to get into the engineering of the console. So basically your statement about RAM is irrelevant. Sorry the PS3 doesn't fit into your a schema of how a computer should work. /Theskyisn'tfalling lol
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 71	Posted - 2013.03.23 12:26:00 - [30] - Quote neurol forever wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Start at 60 and we can go from there. There isn't a single competitive FPS out there that runs in any kind of E-sports league at sub-60 FPS right now, and there is a reason for that. It looks like crap, it plays like crap, and it lowers the skill ceiling. Dust isn't going the E-sports route in most likelihood, but it doesn't change the fact it lowers the skill ceiling and looks terrible compared to 60. First you wrote about textures and RAM in PS3. Now when you haven-¦t vauable argument about what you wrote before you writing about 60fps now. You are amazing. I am amazing, thank you. CCP isn't going to put those textures in the game on the PS3. The frame rate is bad enough and is the source of a lot of criticism the game is taking. When people feel as though they are not in control of their character, they get pissed off very quickly. The game already struggles as it is. The simple addition of the titan wreck skybox combined with mandatory fire storm effects has noticeably dropped this games frame rate by around 10 frames or so. That isn't even a high-res background, which is hilariously apparent via the low res nebula (which looks much better in Eve, and is still lower resolution than the original). Can the game both look AND run better with proper optimization? Certainly. Is it going to look like that? No. And you are delusional if you think it will.



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