Swarm launchers are not ment to be a garunteed hit and kill every time. If a tanker is abke to evade your swarmd its not due to the swarms unnefectivness its down to their skill as a tank pilot . Iv found tgat those pesky av nesters with bloddy nano hives act as great area denial for vehicles and tgats the purpouse of swarms unless you have at least 2 of you ob a tank with swarms then it going to ve a hard kill . The onky class tgat can and should be able to solo vehicles is the heavy with a a forge gun . I prefer the dau assault forge as it really dose the job .

Can i just point out here that Swarms lock on and will do a full 360 around a building and hit you...

as opposed to forges that are not lock-on,

I think swarms are fine, proto swarms hurt enough. any buff would debalance vehicles into the ground.

Their ability to travelisn't what is being discussed, those are separate things.I'm simply, talking about their passive skill from the skill book. I think the travel path is OK in following a vehicle around a corner if it iisn't a hairpin, but do think the sharp turns should inhibit swarms.

but by doing that, u need to shorten refire time. Swarms are clearly viable so u know there can be time. Evade, where there is no way to evade a fg as it is a l.o.s. weapon.

fg is worth gEtting proto b/c of damage and passive skill benefit. SL gives damage, for splash

Their ability to travelisn't what is being discussed, those are separate things.I'm simply, talking about their passive skill from the skill book. I think the travel path is OK in following a vehicle around a corner if it iisn't a hairpin, but do think the sharp turns should inhibit swarms.

but by doing that, u need to shorten refire time. Swarms are clearly viable so u know there can be time. Evade, where there is no way to evade a fg as it is a l.o.s. weapon.

fg is worth gEtting proto b/c of damage and passive skill benefit. SL gives damage, for splash

but why would the second volley shoot faster? it doesn't make sense lore wise and it would unbalance swarms as people who maxed out the skill would be getting off a ridiculous amount of dps

ot lock-on,

I think swarms are fine, proto swarms hurt enough. any buff would debae vehicles into the ground.

Their ability to travelisn't what is being discussed, those are separate things.I'm simply, talking about their passive skill from the skill book. I think the travel path is OK in following a vehicle around a corner if it iisn't a hairpin, but do think the sharp turns should inhibit swarms.

but by doing that, u need to shorten refire time. Swarms are clearly viable so u know there can be time. Evade, where there is no way to evade a fg as it is a l.o.s. weapon.

fg is worth gEtting proto b/c of damage and passive skill benefit. SL gives damage, for splash

yes there are dmg mods, but THEY ARE BROKEN, so the damage done isnt valid as they will be doing less as ccp has stated they fixed them for this new build.

and sry to say, but when u skill in proto av, it is to kill tanks/vehciles faster, otherwise why do it? Ive used proto fg in taking out adv tanks easily, yet when i used adv it wouldnt happen. Skilling up weapons makes u deadlier, in both there overall damage, but also their passive bonuses.I'm simply saying the passive bonus on SL operations isn't useful, compared to the fg, and it should be (as it once was)

One thing ive noticed is the quickness of firing & dps done by forge guns. Id like ccp to bring back the old swarms skill of increasing re-fire time of the swarms. The fg shoots faster & hits its targets faster. Swarms on the other hand have a longer time b/t shots, as unless the tank is being stupid, usually the tank gets out of dodge after the 1wt set hit.

So yeah, i think itd be a good operation skill to equate to the fg reduction in charge time.....

U realize u kinda made my point, the fg gives a 100% hit ratio if in range & on target, along with a faster r.o.f. Also, u can't say a heavy should be the only class the solo a vehicle, as that makes light drop suit av "useless".

it also has to do w/ SP effectiveness. SL operation skill is useless compared to the fg operation skil; in that it helps it be a more effective av weapon. Proto fg allows for an even less for a gap w/ shots b/c of its skilling yet swarms give u an extra 25% on splash damage (which is stupid as they either hit or miss). All a proto SL allows for is more damage (which fg does too) but still requires the same long lock time so if a tank gets hits once it is able to move away after one volley. SL as av isn't as "effective" in that is has long travel time & lock time.

not asking for a buff to speed or damage, but simply CCP think on adding back the refire time skill to have the sp investment really be worth it.

also for those say SL is just as good as fg, I'd have to disagree, as I've had both or a set since replication; and ig is overall more effective

The heavy drop suit is the only drop suit whos description states can go toe to toe with a vehicle and survive. Also iv had some pretty mean swarmers team up to destroy my tankv. Swarms requier team work thats why you feel their innefective at destroying tanks. I run with a couple of dudes who specked into the swarm they also love having to tagteam tanks . Yes your right the forge is more effective but hell it costs a bomb . My advanced suit fully stocked costs over 100000 isk so I think that investment should be able to solo a tank

I feel that in comparison FG are clearly better at anti vehicle, but I can see what is being said here. Currently SL have little to no real advancement from skilling up other than access to better launchers. I think all swarm launchers need is faster missiles for touching dropships and perhaps some launchers that do not require locking on after firing. Makes sense that a launcher could maintain lock after firing I do not see why it cannot.

+1 for original idea.

Well fitted tank = 20 times your single dropsuit. A militia tank is also more expensive than your single dropsuit.

Like I said in your thread, Dropships are nerfed to **** and you want Swarms to be able to hit them faster? You're an idiot.
They're like floating bricks.

Dear XV1

I have come, and I believe with other posters of this thread, to the unanimous conclusion that you simply get pissy that you cant WTFPWN every vehicle you see.

I further believe that you DO NOT have the best quad dmg mod proto swarm launcher, as it CAN 1-2 hit a droppship

Furthermore, shield dropships DO NOT take as much dmg for the following reason:

Due to inherit resitances:
-Shields take 70% dmg from explosives
-Armor takes 130% dmg from explosives

Therefore theoretically AT THIS TIME, Shield Dropships are meta, even though I think the Prometheus is sexy and i'll still use it.

ALSO note that that being said, swarms are not the most effective at taking down Caldari dropships, but:
-WEAPONS that are, are coming SOONtm, and this threads request would severly delay them and other "****" we NEED.
-THEY WORK GREAT vs everything else
-and WTF are you hating dropships for, theyre a transport vehicle! they honestly arnt even a real threat!
-If the dropship gunners are an issue, shoot them...jeez, I kill them all the time then the thing is a bonus as there are poeple NOT on the ground shooting you!

Furthermore, buffing SWARM lock speed and or flight speed will further SCREW HAVs, as the only thing going for us with NO WAY to outrun or delock your missiles is to tank them...that flight times saves my ass as I can rep between volleys! I assure you, my tank blowing up will cost more than you typically spend in three matches, so you wanting to be able to do that every match is fuc*ing ridiculous.

ALSO people saying swarms take to long to lock on...your just impatient! 1 Proto Swarmer can effectivly take out a single tank..considering an EFFECTIVE TANK has 3 people in it, thats just NOT FAIR.

and FURTHERMORE, anyone that keeps making these whaste of time threads that demand the nurf of vehicles and buff of AV--->

I CHALLENGE YOU:

for a week, you will and only will drive HAVs and fly dropships, and we will see your consensus at the end,

currently your talking from a 1-sided lazy experience and its simply ignorant and overall arrogant.!

Support.
The current skill is useless (splash radius increase on a weapon whose splash was removed)