Then get a tank. I usually kill 15 proto suits in a match.

I believe that protoman has already stated that he is more than willing for the HMG to be allowed on the Assault suit so that he can roll it and show people how to use it properly.

Also your argument at the end is regarding the broken dmg mods which should be fixed. Instead of nerfing a weapon that may or may not be benefiting from the broken dmg mods why dont you fix those first?

-Even at 95% efficiency the dmg output it much greater than the AR. Oh and ARs get less efficient against armor but gets a slight bonus on sheilds.
-Not all AR rounds land on target either as while HMGs have a small cone fire ARs have recoil
-I honestly dont know if the standard AR can hit beyond 100 meters the tact AR can but that is worthless right now
-HMG also has 450 mag size so you dont have to reload very often but if you do it takes a while. ARs have to reload after 1 maybe 2 kills. Since HMGs can easily kill 6 guys without reloading we can assume 6 kills then 8 second reload. ARs assuming 2 kills per mag has to spend 9 seconds in reload.

-Lasers dont have to contend with a horrible ADS sight that basically nullifies the supposed 100+m range that the ARs have
-Lasers when firing strip sheilds at 120% and when it heats up they do massive dmg although its unknown what that value is considering it burns through a heavy with 1000K armor faster than the Duvolle we can assume its pretty high
-The dmg done to the user when the laser overheats is laughable at best. I have never overheated my laser on accident and when I did it on purpose it dinged my shields. Yes the skills for laser are broken but I bet that you actually get all of the skills by putting 1 lvl into it because otherwise the laser wont ever overheat since it only overheats after 80ish rounds.
-I do think the lasers need a bit of work but I am willing to wait until the issue with the broken skills get fixed and then look at them again.
-ARs when taking dmg had to deal with even more recoil while no other weapon has this detriment of...if being shot making it harder to aim and return fire

ARs can be competetive in most situations but the SMG/HMG/Shotgun beat it in close range, the HMG can beat it in mid range, Laser can beat it in mid/long range and sniper beats it in super long range, MDs cause aiming to move off so can be good in most ranges if the aim is good. If you consider the actual mathematical values the AR loses to these weapons in stats. Which means its more the user who determines how good it is.

If you consider the actual mathematical values the AR loses to these weapons in stats. Which means its more the user who determines how good it is.

Then by that right you should have no issue using the Assault Rifle to it's maximum capability to be able to kill any other player by versatility alone as it has -no drawbacks-.

And don't say recoil, your first skill reduces the recoil so that's not exactly admissible.

To be honest, I have no clue how to respond to your argument being as you're basically saying that the Assault Rifle should be able to overpower the HMG - which it shouldn't. The HMG is perfectly balanced in it's current iteration and the Assault Rifle should -not- be able to down a heavy in as little as two seconds of continuous fire. Heavy can't move out of the way as well as an Assault Suit, so it's a matter of the Assault Suit moving out of the way of the Heavy's fire - something that's not hard to do.

And I am hard pressed to believe that "not all rounds land on target" with an Assault Rifle, the only time that ever happens is due to user error. The gun can land shots accurately and consistently well over 80m+ if you put some time to train sharpshooter and there's a lot of people who have.

I get destroyed by heavies all the time, what game are you playing? Two seconds is also a damn long time, an HMG will ruin your day in much less than a second if the user is skilled.

I think what's happening here is a case of misunderstanding. The AR is easier to skill into and therefore players are "better" more quickly. If we pit proto AR vs proto HMG in a mano e mano duel the HMG will win within optimal HANDS DOWN. The AR will obviously destroy him at longer ranges because that's it's drawiback: It isn't better than any weapon in their designed roles.

I get destroyed by heavies all the time, what game are you playing? Two seconds is also a damn long time, an HMG will ruin your day in much less than a second if the user is skilled.

I think what's happening here is a case of misunderstanding. The AR is easier to skill into and therefore players are "better" more quickly. If we pit proto AR vs proto HMG in a mano e mano duel the HMG will win within optimal HANDS DOWN. The AR will obviously destroy him at longer ranges because that's it's drawiback: It isn't better than any weapon in their designed roles.

Then by that right you should have no issue using the Assault Rifle to it's maximum capability to be able to kill any other player by versatility alone as it has -no drawbacks-.

And don't say recoil, your first skill reduces the recoil so that's not exactly admissible.

To be honest, I have no clue how to respond to your argument being as you're basically saying that the Assault Rifle should be able to overpower the HMG - which it shouldn't. The HMG is perfectly balanced in it's current iteration and the Assault Rifle should -not- be able to down a heavy in as little as two seconds of continuous fire. Heavy can't move out of the way as well as an Assault Suit, so it's a matter of the Assault Suit moving out of the way of the Heavy's fire - something that's not hard to do.

And I am hard pressed to believe that "not all rounds land on target" with an Assault Rifle, the only time that ever happens is due to user error. The gun can land shots accurately and consistently well over 80m+ if you put some time to train sharpshooter and there's a lot of people who have.

I love this. AR is OP but DONT TOUCH MY LASER YOU H8TR!!

Sheesh people work so hard to protect the gun they use while trying to get all over weapons lowered.

Someone noted that the HMG is out damaged by the AR but forget to note that it does 19 dmg at 2000 RPM so it does 633 dmg per second which is alot higher than the ARs 426.25 dmg per second (not including any bonuses). Some people have noted that the GEK does 42 dmg per shot (not including dmg mods)....what GEK are you using? I want that one cause mine only does the normal 32 dmg per shot (not including dmg mods). ARs are the only weapon other than SMGs that have to deal with serious recoil. HMG no recoil and get more accurate than an AR over time.....Laser no recoil and massive dmg increase over time.....Shotguns are just death machines and can be used a little further out of CQC very effectively if you have SP in it....mass drivers make it so that they cannot be shot back due to the explosive blast that knocks your aim around.....SMGs rip people to shreds once points are put into the range.......Pistols have a 450% HS multiplier that can insta kill most suits......sniper are hit scan loleasy to use.

ARs dont have a sight that can really be used......maybe that will change with weapon customization but who knows when that will be implemented. And the issue stating that there is no recoil.............well I dont know what game your playing but if I continuously shoot then at about 25-30 rounds the AR has some pretty extreme recoil. Considering that and the SMG are the only guns that seemingly have recoil I dont consider this an issue.

I'm rethinking releasing my 1v1 heavy montage video.....it will bring tears for real.

Lasers are definitely top 2 of most cheasiest weapons in the game. It's funny when people say lasers are only good at long distances but forget that laser users equip themselves with smgs just in case someone sneaks up on them.

noooo! your montages are awesome, and dubbs try using a laser on a logi then you're stuck with it in all situations

Lasers are definitely top 2 of most cheasiest weapons in the game. It's funny when people say lasers are only good at long distances but forget that laser users equip themselves with smgs just in case someone sneaks up on them.

Wow, so the Laser Rifle is over-powered because someone thought ahead of time to use a freaggin sidearm?

Someone alert the Snipers that they're not allowed to carry a sidearm because then they'd have situational control!!!

What is the counter to lasers except hiding, when they are across the map and will melt you in 2 secs? Not to mention...the damage increases as you hold the trigger plus no recoil, etc.

Labeling weapons as "cheese" is childish at best. If you want to know about ease of use though, and ease and regularities of kills, well the AR is at the top of the list. It isn't just used by most players because it's one of the starter fits, it's used so much because it is the most useful, ie easiest, weapons to use.

Note : I am not supporting a nerf to the AR, I think nerfing is bad in general.

Move out of optimal range. Pretty much the same as every other weapon in the game. Other than that, try tactics, I hear that works as well.

lol such a practical response right there.

Only the first lesson is free.

All I'm hearing from this is:

"Laser Rifle is overpowered because it performs suppression better than the HMG - the gun that's DESIGNED for suppression - because I can out maneuver a Heavy."

So you're purposefully being ignorant, it's problem is that it cuts through armor the same way it does through shields

I've already discounted everything you say simply because you contradict everything that I post in -literally every thread-.

Can't verify the validity of your statements if they seem to consistently be trolling.

EVEN IF THAT WEREN'T THE CASE - you can't say the damned thing is overpowered when it doesn't even work properly. The skills affecting it don't work, so please do us all a favor and stfu because you're truly being ignorant by saying that it is. There's a major difference between having an opinion and speaking on it in contrast to deliberating attempting to get something knocked down because you don't understand it's mechanics nor have any sympathy for the fact that it might not even be working as intended.

Now that you're done ranting like an ignorant child ADMIT THE DAMAGE VS ARMOR IS BROKEN. Despite it being intended to do less damage to armor INCLUDING DURING THE DAMAGE INCREASE it does the exact same damage to both which is utter bullsh*t for a weapon meant to damage shields. Do you ever see smgs, mass drivers, or hmgs give the same dps towards shields and armor? Yes, the skills are broken but so is the amount of damage applied to armor, which offsets the broken skills. You whine that the Ar is broken all day only to ignore the fact that the lr is too, open your damn eyes .