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Laheon
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:05:00 -
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Limit the vote to one per account. Any account without a character over 1mil SP, or 5k WP, is ineligible to vote. Simple.
If you have under 1mil SP, chances are you don't know the game well enough to suggest improvements, or even know who you're voting for. The WP limit... Eliminates the chances of AFK farming for SP, in order to be eligible to vote. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:06:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Anyone who's on the WC need's to be accountable for their actions with the community and as much as i hate the idea of them having to give out their personal information so we can all get another Prencleeve Grothsmore or ZionShad abusing that information i think it's important that their username and reputation at least get's used. I'm not going to react any differently to a good idea if it's posted by Jenza or even ZionShad, it will get my full support and that person deserves to be acknowledged for their accomplishments while on the council too. in addition to their failures so they don't get reelected.
Have a like, sir. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:08:00 -
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Personally i like the idea of the community voting for half the council and CCP selecting the other half. |
Captain-Awesome
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:07:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Captain-Awesome wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:If it was down to a vote the corps with the largest amount of members would put forward a rep and get them voted in
Maybe allainces would also do this so they at least get one rep in
Problem is tho just because they have an allaince or corp backing them doesnt make them a good rep
TBH any reps should put forward a thread on what they stand for etc so we know what we are getting
Instead we could end up with a war council filled with the likes of Jenza, Zion, Contrabanjoe etc who are useless and will prob make the game worse by saying yes to bad ideas Sorry, I forgot to add that any council members don't get announced, get an alternative character to use for council roles and put under strict NDA so there is no epeen stroking. This is the most stupid idea you've had. Even worse than attempting to set up your own council then back peddling as fast as you could when called out over it. Anyone who's on the WC need's to be accountable for their actions with the community and as much as i hate the idea of them having to give out their personal information so we can all get another Prencleeve Grothsmore or ZionShad abusing that information i think it's important that their username and reputation at least get's used. I'm not going to react any differently to a good idea if it's posted by Jenza or even ZionShad, it will get my full support and that person deserves to be acknowledged for their accomplishments while on the council too. in addition to their failures so they don't get reelected.
@Cardrunock: Sadly, I've seen the past and the current CSM and it is full of epeen, there's a few decent ones but for the most half, have forced CCP to re-review their approach to this. Voting doesn't get high penetration from the community. There's also the fact that CCP knows the players character names etc, so if they community / they want to remove them, they can.
not sure why you still think I was trying to setup "my own council" after explaining it to you 3 times, you keep repeating yourself :S I've only ever said the project is to support anyone who wanted to do something for dust. - CCP has chosen the WC, I'll be offering them my services too. That's all I've ever wanted to do. You said yourself you said it was just a bad name. I've never back pedled, everything is still there.
The current EVE CSM only has a couple of decent members, the rest are only there for epeen and give nothing back.
You yourself have said you will not be happy if certain people (shad) are elected. That's your opinion and you deserve that, CCP have their own opinion and those elected don't deserve to see the QQ **** the forums will come out with as a result. It's not to just to protect us from political epeen stroking, it's to protect them from QQing.
yes being accountable for actions is an obvious process that happens as a players character is more present in the community. but their past has nothing to do with their current role. Their past is as relevant as CCP in game characters and their dev profiles. you don't know what they are, but you know their Dev profiles. That's all you need to know. Same with the war council.
Their reputation is earned and gained while they are in their role, and only while in that role. Yeah sure, during the voting process, all you have is reputation, but after the votes have been cast - reputation is irrelevant, bias to players should be cast aside - nice, you can say you will give kudos / flame anyone if they say something you (dis)agree with, but you are one person in a community who will work like that, not everyone works like you, bias is rife here.
with regards to SP - are you saying ACTIVE sp shouldn't be included, or ANY form of SP shouldn't be used in the calculation? because removing from the equation completely, lets people like beers and their 11 accounts flood the voting process. People can use vpns, have lots of psn accounts, but SP filtering is the only thing I've seen so far that removes fraud the best... open to suggestions though...
I also agree, a half community half CCP selection would be good, they have their favourites, we have ours - those may differ so best to give best of both ;)
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Captain-Awesome
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:13:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Limit the vote to one per account. Any account without a character over 1mil SP, or 5k WP, is ineligible to vote. Simple.
If you have under 1mil SP, chances are you don't know the game well enough to suggest improvements, or even know who you're voting for. The WP limit... Eliminates the chances of AFK farming for SP, in order to be eligible to vote.
This makes sense :) I think maybe more than 1 million sp though because you start with circa 500k (been a while) and you don't really get a decent feel until around 1.5 mill +.... If CCP gives say a 2 week notive to vote? that's not enough time for anyone to grind the sp required...
I think the war point idea works well... that or remove passive SP and only use active SP in the equation? I'll update the op now :) |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.03.23 14:44:00 -
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I don't think real names should be used, i think character names should be used, you're suggesting they don't use either which is stupid. |
Captain-Awesome
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Posted - 2013.03.25 09:34:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I don't think real names should be used, i think character names should be used, you're suggesting they don't use either which is stupid.
well what's your reason to using original character names? accountability? I've already said that we should be judging their performance on their actions not their past.
if for example protoman got the role, you can bet there would be a lot of prejudice to him. Who needs that kind of grief? what benefit would it give the community? CCP knows the link between those who are voted on, and the names they are using - why should we? if we have a complaint about a representative, say there's an issue with them. Don't make it about in game politics because that's not what they are setup to do (as much as I'd like it to be) |
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