Why do we need to talk about voting? The War Council will work with CCP to figure out if voting will be needed and how it will be run. And there won't be any voting happening for a long time anyway, so this is completely pointless.

If it was down to a vote the corps with the largest amount of members would put forward a rep and get them voted in

Maybe allainces would also do this so they at least get one rep in

Problem is tho just because they have an allaince or corp backing them doesnt make them a good rep

TBH any reps should put forward a thread on what they stand for etc so we know what we are getting

Instead we could end up with a war council filled with the likes of Jenza, Zion, Contrabanjoe etc who are useless and will prob make the game worse by saying yes to bad ideas

Sorry, I forgot to add that any council members don't get announced, get an alternative character to use for council roles and put under strict NDA so there is no epeen stroking.

So instead of knowing bad players are elected they get anonymity and still get to put through bad ideas to CCP and thus the playerbase cannot accuse the war council for being ******* useless and able to vote out the retards so no one is accountable?

It sounds even worse

well - they'll be talking about a voting process, that's the purpose of the initial council, so I'm asking your opinions on a workable approach (or if you don't think it's possible)

They might not be talking about a voting process - they said they'll help figure out how the next council is chosen. This doesn't necessarily mean voting.

I think the best way to do it is how it's being done with this first council. Democracy is just a nonsense way to make everyone feel included but when everyone gets a vote, the votes are skewed by the fact that at least half of voters have no idea about anything and just vote for who they like or who sounds nice or who their friends, family or background votes for. The War Council does not need to be democratic - it needs to be the best people for the job, not whoever can campaign best or is the most popular.

yeah, one of the guys I was speaking to about this was saying the same thing, ultimately it came to "what's more important, community representation or ccp choosing the people they think would be best for the job"? even though the latter would be more effective, I think the community might still prefer the former (my personal opinion)

they are deemed useless on their actions in the role, not because of who they are in the game. If people keep their name, it's all about epeen stroking and politics, something that should be exempt from that. They are there to help us, and it will be the community that votes them, CCP has already said that's the "current" plan. If they move to a CCP elected group, people like you will just whine some more because it's just CCP spouting **** about trying to make a team for the community that they cherry picked.

The primary objective here is player representation, whether they are **** at their role or not - the community put them in. All I gave was an idea on hot the voting process would work, not who, how, why we should vote for them -_- read the topic

rather than troll other peoples ideas, maybe you should give your own.

They might not be talking about a voting process - they said they'll help figure out how the next council is chosen. This doesn't necessarily mean voting.

I think the best way to do it is how it's being done with this first council. Democracy is just a nonsense way to make everyone feel included but when everyone gets a vote, the votes are skewed by the fact that at least half of voters have no idea about anything and just vote for who they like or who sounds nice or who their friends, family or background votes for. The War Council does not need to be democratic - it needs to be the best people for the job, not whoever can campaign best or is the most popular.

Of course the community would prefer representation but that's a total misnomer because that's not really what the War Council is for. They are there to help CCP make the game better. The forums allow player the representation to put forward their thoughts on things and CCP will always have people working on that side of community interaction. The War Council is for knowledgeable and impartial players to analyse CCPs ideas and plans and advise them in certain areas. As players, they can give the kind of feedback that devs can't objectively give themselves and provide a different perspective.

work closely with us in establishing a voting system, working with teams regarding upcoming features, and generally serving a similar role to the EVE Online CSM.

These people would act almost as game analyst/designers - a games studio would never have someone elected to work as an analyst for them; they'd search and vet and select the person best for the job. Politics and popularity should be absolutely kept out of this.

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Yea tough **** if you dont like it

While you say name isnt important because of epeen and all that BS sometimes its all you have to go on, i dont see why DUST should be exempt from it we know EVE isnt but also we know what they stand for and what they have done along with who they are in game

Politics will be in DUST and tbh it already is to an extent and it will grow as more gets added, your name is the 1st thing ppl will remember with your actions behind it

Anonymity adds nothing to the process

Also voting with alts will happen, proxies can and will be used, IP can be changed, ppl will go out of ther way to vote, if anything best bet is to let 1 accout per PSN vote, plus it has to be active in the past month earning say over 2mil SP or whatever limit making it so that you have to play with it for quite a while to earn the SP, some ppl will do this anyways

No system is foolproof

Okay, all points taken into consideration, maybe the War Council could be partially appointed and partially elected, a bit like the UK House of Commons and House of Lords. The elected members are there to represent the player community but the appointed members are there to make sure the elected members aren't douches and try to push silly or biased agendas through.

The method of voting will always be a contentious issue though. Even doing it by activity or SP, someone could simply create loads of accounts (even on different PSN IDs) and play 1 game a week on each for weeks or months to make it look like they were all separate active accounts. Making it something you have to pay for would cause outrage because many people don't ever want to put any money whatsoever iinto this game and some other people have far too much real life money to throw around anyway, so will happily pay many times (using different credit cards or whatever) to ensure they get voted in. Trying to identify alts through locational data could easily be circumvented by using proxy servers.

So instead of knowing bad players are elected they get anonymity and still get to put through bad ideas to CCP and thus the playerbase cannot accuse the war council for being ******* useless and able to vote out the retards so no one is accountable?

It sounds even worse

I just love to see how everyone assumes people with bad ideas are gonne be chosen.....

Sad little world the internet.

You must be new to the world

Common knowledge that the electorate of any nation is fairly stupid and most times its like turkeys voting for xmas

that's just in america.... where are you from out of curiosity?

also hello caz, why u no irc!?

UK

Our goverment is really bad, didnt even get voted in we should have gone back to the polls

Either way any community is mostly made up of stuipd ppl and a few of them manage to make it into positions which effect things

A coalition that no one voted for that has done things they said they wouldnt, the amount of u turns is more than a learner driver

It will always be an issue but at the present moment this is CCPs call, maybe when they figure out a voting system and DUST has begun to stand on its legs and is more fleshed out then i may throw my hat into the ring but i doubt it unless consistantly the war council keeps on failing and being useless

I wouldn't be surprised if it takes 9-10 CSMs before we get something we are happy with. This kind of thing is for the long haul sadly

What if the council was voted in using SP? That would mean that every player would have to give back a certain amount of SP in order to be a registered voter. I know it may sound crazy but without some sort of system that makes players spend some sort of effort to actually vote then I fear like many of you the voting process will fail to begin with.

What would the SP amount be?

Step 1: Limit voting to a max number of accounts per PS3 / house hold with PS3 serial checking, IP filtering and other location based tools.
If 2 PS3s match an IP, they get merged to represent 1 house hold, thus still keeping to the max PSN accounts viable

Step 2: Check when the account was created
if they create an account X amount of days before tokens are sent out, they are not eligible to vote

Step 3: Check the total active SP earned within a variable time frame
The "variable time frame" means that there is no set period of which the character is monitored, and thus grinding in a time period is useless.

This also removes old accounts, dead accounts, accounts just created for voting or idle accounts. The amount of SP to check is really the "post" that needs to be moved into an acceptable position to help casual gamers, yet aid in the prevention of those seeking to break the voting process

Step 4: The PSN users assigned to the accounts get 1 free token to vote via Email.
These tokens have x amount of days to use by, can only be used once, contains the PSN ID so those codes can't be transferred and can only be used on that PSN.

So we've filtered the household -> accounts -> dust users -> eligibility -> locking codes to those users

I didn't want to include AUR transactions because this doesn't stop somebody buying multiple aur items on multiple accounts (CCP doesn't have access to card information)

EDIT
Once those are elected (names are not made public and are put under NDA) they are given alt characters to represent the council, this means all epeen stroking goes out the door, the community gets their leader, and ccp gets a council

any suggestions / alterations welcome :)

Sorry, I forgot to add that any council members don't get announced, get an alternative character to use for council roles and put under strict NDA so there is no epeen stroking.