DUST Search - Shotgun Best weapon in the game easily.

XeroTheBigBoss wrote:

noob 45 wrote:

NightEagle11 wrote:

Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun.

I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them.

While we are at it can we get a super nerf on the SMG. Those things can kill a heavy just as fast as a shotgun at the same range... You could probably kill 2 heavies with the Toxin in 1 clip.

The forge gun can 1shot kill militia suits, so that needs to be nerfed.

The laser rifle on the other hand is totally UP. This gun isn't always an instant kill.

I killed someone with a nova knife the other day. Truly an OP weapon if I ever saw one, please nerf.

On a less sarcastic note: Tell your friend congrats on pub stomping a bunch of noobs that run at and try and melee someone with a shotgun.

SMG is fine doesn't need a nerf.

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NightEagle11 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 22	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:09:00 - [1] - Quote Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun. I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 96	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:23:00 - [2] - Quote Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 51	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:24:00 - [3] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed. You're missing the point Einstein....
Rifter7 Improvise. 93	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:25:00 - [4] - Quote i think the problem is how sharpshooter effects the weapon.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2068	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:26:00 - [5] - Quote I think claims like this require an absolute minimum of a screenshot of the score screen. As they say, pics or it didn't happen
noob 45 Syndicate of Gods 14	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:30:00 - [6] - Quote NightEagle11 wrote: Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun. I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them. While we are at it can we get a super nerf on the SMG. Those things can kill a heavy just as fast as a shotgun at the same range... You could probably kill 2 heavies with the Toxin in 1 clip. The forge gun can 1shot kill militia suits, so that needs to be nerfed. The laser rifle on the other hand is totally UP. This gun isn't always an instant kill. I killed someone with a nova knife the other day. Truly an OP weapon if I ever saw one, please nerf. On a less sarcastic note: Tell your friend congrats on pub stomping a bunch of noobs that run at and try and melee someone with a shotgun.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 51	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:34:00 - [7] - Quote noob 45 wrote: NightEagle11 wrote: Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun. I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them. While we are at it can we get a super nerf on the SMG. Those things can kill a heavy just as fast as a shotgun at the same range... You could probably kill 2 heavies with the Toxin in 1 clip. The forge gun can 1shot kill militia suits, so that needs to be nerfed. The laser rifle on the other hand is totally UP. This gun isn't always an instant kill. I killed someone with a nova knife the other day. Truly an OP weapon if I ever saw one, please nerf. On a less sarcastic note: Tell your friend congrats on pub stomping a bunch of noobs that run at and try and melee someone with a shotgun. SMG is fine doesn't need a nerf.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 594	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:35:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah I've experienced the Odds against me with a Breach and to my surprise survived an 8+ man onslaught or something. But is it overpowered? I wouldn't say overly. I mean like it was pointed out, the scale of effectiveness is nill but then experiences a rapid exponential spike once the range between you and the target is minimal. Honestly people get higher numbers with a tank....does that mean the HAV are OP?...No. I could honestly go for a slightly greater Damage Drop off Rate after X meters (like one or two and a half), as that would help the spike stay spikey...but the Breach shotgun has the best range of them and I honestly think it's a balanced gun. But the Normal Shotgun I can't speak much of...I'm an ol' double barrel user.
NightEagle11 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 22	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:36:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I think claims like this require an absolute minimum of a screenshot of the score screen. As they say, pics or it didn't happen I need to come up with false claims to stroke my e-peen believe me or dont you're choice bro. Could just ask my corp mate he'll tell you.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 51	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:37:00 - [10] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Yeah I've experienced the Odds against me with a Breach and to my surprise survived an 8+ man onslaught or something. But is it overpowered? I wouldn't say overly. I mean like it was pointed out, the scale of effectiveness is nill but then experiences a rapid exponential spike once the range between you and the target is minimal. Honestly people get higher numbers with a tank....does that mean the HAV are OP?...No. I could honestly go for a slightly greater Damage Drop off Rate after X meters (like one or two and a half), as that would help the spike stay spikey...but the Breach shotgun has the best effect / range of them and I honestly think it's a balanced gun. But the Normal Shotgun I can't speak much of...I'm an ol' double barrel user. I think that's why he is saying only SLIGHT nerf...

Rifter7 Improvise. 94	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:43:00 - [11] - Quote some quality discussions in here yo.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2068	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:45:00 - [12] - Quote NightEagle11 wrote: I need to come up with false claims to stroke my e-peen believe me or dont you're choice bro. Could just ask my corp mate he'll tell you. Well these posts are primarily pointless because players who are capable of actually pulling off a score like 57-3 will make Scrambler Pistols seem OP. The only shotgun that really needs toning down is the militia, by way of a longer delay between shots, a slightly increased reload speed, and just a smidge off the damage. Shotguns in general could still stand to have their range pulled back just a hair, they definitely raised it too high when they did. The Breach Shotgun also needs 1 additional shot in the chamber, with the same total reload speed that it has now.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 463	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:46:00 - [13] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: DTOracle wrote: Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed. You're missing the point Einstein.... Nope, DTOracle is right, stomping randoms doesn't prove squat. Especially with the new spawn system, they had to be complete kittens to let him get away with that.
noob 45 Syndicate of Gods 15	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:50:00 - [14] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Yeah I've experienced the Odds against me with a Breach and to my surprise survived an 8+ man onslaught or something. But is it overpowered? I wouldn't say overly. I mean like it was pointed out, the scale of effectiveness is nill but then experiences a rapid exponential spike once the range between you and the target is minimal. Honestly people get higher numbers with a tank....does that mean the HAV are OP?...No. I could honestly go for a slightly greater Damage Drop off Rate after X meters (like one or two and a half), as that would help the spike stay spikey...but the Breach shotgun has the best effect / range of them and I honestly think it's a balanced gun. But the Normal Shotgun I can't speak much of...I'm an ol' double barrel user. I think that's why he is saying only SLIGHT nerf... The clones are 2 meters tall... I hope the shotgun can shoot further than 2 meters w/o it losing damage.... Honestly half the players in the game play with a really low sensitivity or simply don't know how to handle CQC. Take away our shotgun and give us a teddy bear, we will still merc these kids in CQC.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2069	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:52:00 - [15] - Quote noob 45 wrote: Take away our shotgun and give us a teddy bear I take back my balance suggestions, this is the only true answer.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1142	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:02:00 - [16] - Quote Nope. Face a real squad, shotgun's don't do ****. Pull that off on Manus Peak, or Skim Junction, or Line Harvest.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2048	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:03:00 - [17] - Quote The only problem with Shotguns is the potential range on them. Their falloff rate (as a lot of people keep mentioning) is the core problem. They need to - once the optimal range is passed - have the damage drop MUCH faster than it currently does. Fix that, and it doesn't really matter how far they can fire because they're not going to be hurting people at that range.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 466	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:08:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: EDIT: And for the record, Manus Peak Ambush is my favourite map for Shotgunning. Mine too, but only because I can run around the edge and catch all the snipers off guard.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 17	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:11:00 - [19] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed. I played against Calamity Jones II from SVER True Blood yesterday.... she went 76/7 on manus peak, in a skirmish. They still lost.... but wow. I have to say that takes a fair amount of skill though, I don't know a lot of people who can do anywhere near that well with a shotgun. It was with the CreoDron and a vk. 1 though... so....
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1142	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:12:00 - [20] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: DTOracle wrote: Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed. I played against Calamity Jones II from SVER True Blood yesterday.... she went 76/7 on manus peak, in a skirmish. They still lost.... but wow. I have to say that takes a fair amount of skill though, I don't know a lot of people who can do anywhere near that well with a shotgun. Calamity Jane, Annie Oakley, and DTOracle are 3 of the best shot gunners out there.

2100 Angels The Southern Legion 17	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:14:00 - [21] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: DTOracle wrote: Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed. I played against Calamity Jones II from SVER True Blood yesterday.... she went 76/7 on manus peak, in a skirmish. They still lost.... but wow. I have to say that takes a fair amount of skill though, I don't know a lot of people who can do anywhere near that well with a shotgun. Calamity Jane, Annie Oakley, and DTOracle are 3 of the best shot gunners out there. Jane? could've been jane... haha. no disagreements with that statement at all.
NightEagle11 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 22	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:15:00 - [22] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Nope. Face a real squad, shotgun's don't do ****. Pull that off on Manus Peak, or Skim Junction, or Line Harvest. Corp battle us and I will. Promise
Mithridates VI Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:16:00 - [23] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: noob 45 wrote: NightEagle11 wrote: Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun. I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them. While we are at it can we get a super nerf on the SMG. Those things can kill a heavy just as fast as a shotgun at the same range... You could probably kill 2 heavies with the Toxin in 1 clip. The forge gun can 1shot kill militia suits, so that needs to be nerfed. The laser rifle on the other hand is totally UP. This gun isn't always an instant kill. I killed someone with a nova knife the other day. Truly an OP weapon if I ever saw one, please nerf. On a less sarcastic note: Tell your friend congrats on pub stomping a bunch of noobs that run at and try and melee someone with a shotgun. SMG is fine doesn't need a nerf. You missed the point, Einstein.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 187	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:17:00 - [24] - Quote NightEagle11 wrote: Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun. I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them. have gone 54 and 5 with an AR getting 2 OBs with a squad of 2 (other guy did pretty good as well) i like the shotgun in situations like some of the really CQC based maps but i mainly play AR don't think its OP personally (no range and kinda hard to aim) maybe your friend is just good
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2048	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:20:00 - [25] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: EDIT: And for the record, Manus Peak Ambush is my favourite map for Shotgunning. Mine too, but only because I can run around the edge and catch all the snipers off guard. I prefer it when there are good AR and LR players bodyguarding the Snipers, and when there are occasional Snipers with situational awareness and sidearm skills. Some of my favourite moments have been when I've opened fire too early on a Sniper, and he's turned and stripped me down to about 5 armour before I finished the job (which usually results in someone else finishing me off moments later). One of my most tense moments was going up against a Sniper who saw me (either good scanning or a spotter, I still don't know which) and turned to me with their SMG ready, and instead of using my Shotgun I pulled my own SMG and fought on his terms (he was also outside my effective range, so I wouldn't be hitting as hard as I'd like.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 958	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:20:00 - [26] - Quote I'm always amazed at how much distance guys get on the shotgun with LWSS. It shouldn't be so devastating from 80 yards out like it is now, it's sort of ridiculous.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2071	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:36:00 - [27] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: I'm always amazed at how much distance guys get on the shotgun with LWSS. It shouldn't be so devastating from 80 yards out like it is now, it's sort of ridiculous. It's fine for the breach to hit from long range, not so much for any other kind of shotgun. The range used to be a bit too low, then they gave it a wicked buff, and I'm pretty sure they've never toned it back. It's time to tone it back.
Rusty Shallows Creative Killers 11	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:44:00 - [28] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: noob 45 wrote: NightEagle11 wrote: Played an ambush with a corp mate of mine, and went 57-3 scoring 2875 wp and getting a solo orbital all while using the shotgun. I think its safe to say that this weapon needs a little bit of a tone down.... I stress the little bit because CCP has a habit of burying weapons 6 feet under when adjusting them. While we are at it can we get a super nerf on the SMG. Those things can kill a heavy just as fast as a shotgun at the same range... You could probably kill 2 heavies with the Toxin in 1 clip. The forge gun can 1shot kill militia suits, so that needs to be nerfed. The laser rifle on the other hand is totally UP. This gun isn't always an instant kill. I killed someone with a nova knife the other day. Truly an OP weapon if I ever saw one, please nerf. On a less sarcastic note: Tell your friend congrats on pub stomping a bunch of noobs that run at and try and melee someone with a shotgun. SMG is fine doesn't need a nerf. He was being sarcastic. Shamefully I didn't pick up on it until the Laser Rifle comment.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:47:00 - [29] - Quote I've said it before and I'll say it again. Anything BELOW the CRG-3 needs some kind of nerf, anything ABOVE (Including the CRG-3 itself) is perfectly fine.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 97	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:50:00 - [30] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: DTOracle wrote: Though that's an insane # to solo in ambush. You clearly were up against scrubs on a good cqc map. If you tell me you did this on manus peak, against an organized squad of decent players, then paint me impressed. You're missing the point Einstein.... No, the shotty is a situational weapon. & you were in a optimal situation. Yes, matches like this are possible. But not every match, every time. Like the AR. Meaning it's not OP, IMO.



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