DUST Search - Dust, the players, and CCP

Maken Tosch wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

N1ck Comeau wrote:

And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined

I said neither.

I'm simply stating that having played for a year, not a whole lot has changed, and many of the things that have changed so far, have arguably been for the worse (or have had such a minor impact as to be a nonfactor)

What it boils down to is that many of the players that have been loyal and actually doing their best to test and play the game are losing interest and hope because CCP prefers to tickle our balls instead of going all the way.

I have been here since May of last year and I have seen vast improvements.

1. No more Invalid Fittings infecting your menu in the middle of a match.

2. Lag still needs work, but at least it has improved to the point where I don't see any constant microjumping from both myself and those I see.

3. My PS3 no longer hard freezes every 3 matches.

4. Graphics have improved enough to allow the profile dampening skills to be of practical use. But the graphics are still far from Eve-level.

5. We can least organize into corps. Back then, we didn't have corps. Not even the ability to create our own squad.

6. Dropships no longer act as aerial bumper cars. Unfortunately the LAVs still act like bumper cars but on ice with slick tires.

7. Drop uplinks no longer move across the map on overview on their own after deploying them.

Other than these, we still have problems. When you look at the small part of the big picture, you can easily assuming that the game is badly broken. But when you step back and see the big picture, the canvas is at least progressing. But that doesn't mean we should allow the unfinished part of the canvas to discourage us from trying to help finish it.

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N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:47:00 - [1] - Quote So we all know this is a game has amazing potential and will become something amazing in the coming years. The game will become better everybody knows that. Its just when i see the players of this game put so much hate and so much impatience into something that is a work in progress. They want the game to be perfect right now but it takes time so realize it's not perfect i know that you know that everyone knows that and it is far from it at the moment. Now us as players need to stand together and help CCP make this game great. They can't do it on there own they need us just as much as we need them. When i say help them i don't mean play the game and report bugs. Doing that helps but not as much as what we should be doing which is Reporting bugs giving ideas and just be plain helpful and nice to one another. Is that to much to ask? I don't think so. Now CCP you sure do know how to make games just look at what eve has become and what Dust has been shaping into. You are not perfect though i see very often when you are going to fix something and then cancel the hotfix and have to wait another week to send it out. What you also must know is that your player base is dropping due to lack of content. i just want maybe some new guns or modules or something at least once a month and a new build every 3 to 4 months. But there is one area were you have been getting better at and that is interacting with us, the players. New Dev blogs our nice and simple commenting on the forums is awesome... But we need more info on things like the release date on builds and new semi important updates and just simple stuff like that will improve things greatly. This is just what i think please be respectful if you are to comment. Some may say i am a CCP fanboy you can think what you want i just love this game and want it to succeed
John Xulu The Tritan Industries 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:50:00 - [2] - Quote And when we give them suggesstions they'll be sure to implement them Soon...TM.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:51:00 - [3] - Quote John Xulu wrote: And when we give them suggesstions they'll be sure to implement them Soon...TM. the Soon tm jokes about that are getting old but please try to stay on topic
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2053	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:52:00 - [4] - Quote Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:53:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid I've played this game for 6 months now and am far from bad at the game i just want it to succeed
John Xulu The Tritan Industries 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:54:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid This.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1692	Posted - 2013.03.15 00:59:00 - [7] - Quote I agree. I have strongly advocated for all players, regardless of what corp they are in, to come together and work towards making a thriving community that not only helps CCP with proper feedback (whether it's positive or negative feedback) but also helps new players with sharing experience and knowledge. Remember, the key to a successful MMOFPS like Dust is a successful community. But as N1ck pointed out, it's not just the players that need to do their part. CCP has to step up with their communication with us players just like how they do with communicating with Eve Online players. Live events and tournaments are fun, but keeping players informed is just as fun. I understand the running joke regarding SOON (TM) and all, but it's time to be a little more serious here, CCP. We have waited long enough. We are not asking you to give EXACT dates. All we are simply asking is at least a general idea of when the next build will be (just before fanfest, somewhere in a certain month, the beginning of winter, which quarter of the year, etc.). Something that's not too vague but not too exacting that you feel pressured to meat a deadline.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:01:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined
John Xulu The Tritan Industries 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:05:00 - [9] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined Do you hear that? It's the playerbase...Dwindling...
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2053	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:05:00 - [10] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined I said neither. I'm simply stating that having played for a year, not a whole lot has changed, and many of the things that have changed so far, have arguably been for the worse (or have had such a minor impact as to be a nonfactor) What it boils down to is that many of the players that have been loyal and actually doing their best to test and play the game are losing interest and hope because CCP prefers to tickle our balls instead of going all the way.

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1692	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:07:00 - [11] - Quote John Xulu wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined Do you hear that? It's the playerbase...Leaving... Funny, that's what the doomsayers said about Eve Online a few years ago. Then they came crawling back when they realized WoW and GW2 sucked.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:07:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I agree. I have strongly advocated for all players, regardless of what corp they are in, to come together and work towards making a thriving community that not only helps CCP with proper feedback (whether it's positive or negative feedback) but also helps new players with sharing experience and knowledge. Remember, the key to a successful MMOFPS like Dust is a successful community. But as N1ck pointed out, it's not just the players that need to do their part. CCP has to step up with their communication with us players just like how they do with communicating with Eve Online players. Live events and tournaments are fun, but keeping players informed is just as fun. I understand the running joke regarding SOON (TM) and all, but it's time to be a little more serious here, CCP. We have waited long enough. We are not asking you to give EXACT dates. All we are simply asking is at least a general idea of when the next build will be (just before fanfest, somewhere in a certain month, the beginning of winter, which quarter of the year, etc.). Something that's not too vague but not too exacting that you feel pressured to meat a deadline. Finally someone with enough brains to know that i am right and to stop being such a pessimist
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:09:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined I said neither. I'm simply stating that having played for a year, not a whole lot has changed, and many of the things that have changed so far, have arguably been for the worse (or have had such a minor impact as to be a nonfactor) What it boils down to is that many of the players that have been loyal and actually doing their best to test and play the game are losing interest and hope because CCP prefers to tickle our balls instead of going all the way. I do agree with you on that they should just put out new content see if people like it and if they don't they should just remove it.
John Xulu The Tritan Industries 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:09:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: John Xulu wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined Do you hear that? It's the playerbase...Leaving... Funny, that's what the doomsayers said about Eve Online a few years ago. Then they came crawling back when they realized WoW and GW2 sucked. Well I believe that. Regrettably the FPS community is unlikely to give something that didn't meet their expectations the first time, a second chance. And how many posts have we seen about people quitting from impatience? Which brings me back to my first point about: Soon TM and a Dwindling playerbase.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:14:00 - [15] - Quote John Xulu wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: John Xulu wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Newberries are always so optimistic, it's cute Unfortunately, many of us already drank the kool aid And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined Do you hear that? It's the playerbase...Leaving... Funny, that's what the doomsayers said about Eve Online a few years ago. Then they came crawling back when they realized WoW and GW2 sucked. Well I believe that. Regrettably the FPS community is unlikely to give something that didn't meet their expectations the first time, a second chance. And how many posts have we seen about people quitting from impatience? Which brings me back to my first point about: Soon TM and a Dwindling playerbase. Well the lack of content is bad but not enough to make me quit the game.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2053	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:15:00 - [16] - Quote At the end of the day, what really grinds my gears is: - Open Beta happened too early - CCP trying to constantly sell me **** - Matchmaking is FUBAR - Far too easy to hit "top" level gear - Dropships and LAVs still a waste of SP (LAVs mostly because you can never leave it without a blueberry driving it into a forge gun) There's lots of other little things, but I don't really want to keep on this topic or else I'll get annoyed and not play Dust for a while (or just start AFK farming, since the only reason to really play right now is to hit SP cap) Carry on with your flowers and rainbows and such not
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1692	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:18:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined I said neither. I'm simply stating that having played for a year, not a whole lot has changed, and many of the things that have changed so far, have arguably been for the worse (or have had such a minor impact as to be a nonfactor) What it boils down to is that many of the players that have been loyal and actually doing their best to test and play the game are losing interest and hope because CCP prefers to tickle our balls instead of going all the way. I have been here since May of last year and I have seen vast improvements. 1. No more Invalid Fittings infecting your menu in the middle of a match. 2. Lag still needs work, but at least it has improved to the point where I don't see any constant microjumping from both myself and those I see. 3. My PS3 no longer hard freezes every 3 matches. 4. Graphics have improved enough to allow the profile dampening skills to be of practical use. But the graphics are still far from Eve-level. 5. We can least organize into corps. Back then, we didn't have corps. Not even the ability to create our own squad. 6. Dropships no longer act as aerial bumper cars. Unfortunately the LAVs still act like bumper cars but on ice with slick tires. 7. Drop uplinks no longer move across the map on overview on their own after deploying them. Other than these, we still have problems. When you look at the small part of the big picture, you can easily assuming that the game is badly broken. But when you step back and see the big picture, the canvas is at least progressing. But that doesn't mean we should allow the unfinished part of the canvas to discourage us from trying to help finish it.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1692	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:19:00 - [18] - Quote John Xulu wrote: Well I believe that. Regrettably the FPS community is unlikely to give something that didn't meet their expectations the first time, a second chance. And how many posts have we seen about people quitting from impatience? Which brings me back to my first point about: Soon TM and a Dwindling playerbase. Just give the other games like CoD and BF enough time to start failing. EA is already screwing up big time with the whole Sim City debacle.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2053	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:20:00 - [19] - Quote Yea, we've gotten some performance fixes which have been nice, but as far as the meat and potatoes goes...well, let's just say they best pull out the big guns for this next update. (Started March 25th, back when Swarm Launchers were king and RE's shot faster than an HMG ) Right now it just feels like Deja Vu 514, like I've been playing the exact same games of Ambush and (not as fun as before) skirmish, again and again and again and again. For a game with near infinite maps, we sure do have a small map pool.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:22:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: And i love how veterans at the game think they know everything about the game and think the game is ruined I said neither. I'm simply stating that having played for a year, not a whole lot has changed, and many of the things that have changed so far, have arguably been for the worse (or have had such a minor impact as to be a nonfactor) What it boils down to is that many of the players that have been loyal and actually doing their best to test and play the game are losing interest and hope because CCP prefers to tickle our balls instead of going all the way. I have been here since May of last year and I have seen vast improvements. 1. No more Invalid Fittings infecting your menu in the middle of a match. 2. Lag still needs work, but at least it has improved to the point where I don't see any constant microjumping from both myself and those I see. 3. My PS3 no longer hard freezes every 3 matches. 4. Graphics have improved enough to allow the profile dampening skills to be of practical use. But the graphics are still far from Eve-level. 5. We can least organize into corps. Back then, we didn't have corps. Not even the ability to create our own squad. 6. Dropships no longer act as aerial bumper cars. Unfortunately the LAVs still act like bumper cars but on ice with slick tires. 7. Drop uplinks no longer move across the map on overview on their own after deploying them. Other than these, we still have problems. When you look at the small part of the big picture, you can easily assuming that the game is badly broken. But when you step back and see the big picture, the canvas is at least progressing. But that doesn't mean we should allow the unfinished part of the canvas to discourage us from trying to help finish it. Could not agree more people don't look at the big picture and see that the game has made some heavy advancements in all areas

John Xulu The Tritan Industries 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:27:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: John Xulu wrote: Well I believe that. Regrettably the FPS community is unlikely to give something that didn't meet their expectations the first time, a second chance. And how many posts have we seen about people quitting from impatience? Which brings me back to my first point about: Soon TM and a Dwindling playerbase. Just give the other games like CoD and BF enough time to start failing. EA is already screwing up big time with the whole Sim City debacle. This is undeniable. The difference between CoD and DUST is that one is successful. I love the idea of DUST but...Lawd the slow...And like I said, FPS crowd is really fickle. Especially with games like Destiny coming out soon.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1692	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:37:00 - [22] - Quote John Xulu wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: John Xulu wrote: Well I believe that. Regrettably the FPS community is unlikely to give something that didn't meet their expectations the first time, a second chance. And how many posts have we seen about people quitting from impatience? Which brings me back to my first point about: Soon TM and a Dwindling playerbase. Just give the other games like CoD and BF enough time to start failing. EA is already screwing up big time with the whole Sim City debacle. This is undeniable. The difference between CoD and DUST is that one is successful. I love the idea of DUST but...Lawd the slow...And like I said, FPS crowd is really fickle. Especially with games like Destiny coming out soon. I'm sorry, but I've played many CoD and Halo games and even my friends who are die-hard CoD/Halo fans are starting to admit that those games are just copies of the same thing. There are still game breaking bugs and glitches that plague CoD and Halo. Halo has had the same glitch for 11 years and it was built by a company that was backed by a multi-billion dollar investor (Microsoft) and even FUBARED the anniversary edition of Halo: Combat Evolved. Then there is CoD with its huge problem with connecting with a host (rumor has it they use lagswitches). On a single-player level, CoD and Halo are great games. But on a multiplayer level they annoy me. But even Halo is starting to annoy me on a single player level because when you move around I now feel like a three-legged cow swimming through molasses.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:40:00 - [23] - Quote Yea games like Cod and Halo are now just copys of the last one. The fanbase is to addicted to the games to realize that. Even some of the fanbase hates the games but still plays them .
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2053	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:41:00 - [24] - Quote Halo died after 2, as far as I'm concerned
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1692	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:46:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Halo died after 2, as far as I'm concerned Especially after they nerfed the needler.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2053	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Halo died after 2, as far as I'm concerned Especially after they nerfed the needler. Totally getting off topic here, but do you remember how bad modding got in Halo 2 online? For almost 2 years you couldn't get a game without flying warthogs shooting tank rounds and 1HKO BRs with sniper range or needlers that shot homing stickies... Ahh...good times...gooood tiiimes.
ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds Imperfects Public Relations 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:01:00 - [27] - Quote Do even play this game anymore N1ck Comeau [Stats] Total Kills: 1 364 Total Warpoints: 115, 736 You don't even play this game anymore, yet you're telling the vets do have patience. The Vets are dealing with the now, well you sit on the sidelines waving the FANBOI Flag. My friend just started playing last week and he has more total WP and kills then you. Your opinion means nothing and carries little weight. You have not experienced what we have experienced; nor played enough of the game to comment on its progress. Your just another Random who knows nothing Sorry but stats don't lie
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:14:00 - [28] - Quote compliments don't make great games, criticism does :) (this game is great and just getting better)
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:17:00 - [29] - Quote ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote: Do even play this game anymore N1ck Comeau [Stats] Total Kills: 1 364 Total Warpoints: 115, 736 You don't even play this game anymore, yet you're telling the vets do have patience. The Vets are dealing with the now, well you sit on the sidelines waving the FANBOI Flag. My friend just started playing last week and he has more total WP and kills then you. Your opinion means nothing and carries little weight. You have not experienced what we have experienced; nor played enough of the game to comment on its progress. Your just another Random who knows nothing Sorry but stats don't lie his opinion matters as much as mine and ive been with dust since mordus trials
ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds Imperfects Public Relations 9	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:27:00 - [30] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote: Do even play this game anymore N1ck Comeau [Stats] Total Kills: 1 364 Total Warpoints: 115, 736 You don't even play this game anymore, yet you're telling the vets do have patience. The Vets are dealing with the now, well you sit on the sidelines waving the FANBOI Flag. My friend just started playing last week and he has more total WP and kills then you. Your opinion means nothing and carries little weight. You have not experienced what we have experienced; nor played enough of the game to comment on its progress. Your just another Random who knows nothing Sorry but stats don't lie his feedback matters as much as mine and ive been with dust since mordus trials this thread is not feedback, but thanks

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:29:00 - [31] - Quote sorry meant opinion
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 10:05:00 - [32] - Quote ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote: Do even play this game anymore N1ck Comeau [Stats] Total Kills: 1 364 Total Warpoints: 115, 736 You don't even play this game anymore, yet you're telling the vets do have patience. The Vets are dealing with the now, well you sit on the sidelines waving the FANBOI Flag. My friend just started playing last week and he has more total WP and kills then you. Your opinion means nothing and carries little weight. You have not experienced what we have experienced; nor played enough of the game to comment on its progress. Your just another Random who knows nothing Sorry but stats don't lie I play this game daily dude what are you talking about? i made this account cause of mistake i made on and old account i made this account like a month ago so don't hate dude
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 64	Posted - 2013.03.15 11:47:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: At the end of the day, what really grinds my gears is: - Open Beta happened too early - CCP trying to constantly sell me **** - Matchmaking is FUBAR - Far too easy to hit "top" level gear - Dropships and LAVs still a waste of SP (LAVs mostly because you can never leave it without a blueberry driving it into a forge gun) There's lots of other little things, but I don't really want to keep on this topic or else I'll get annoyed and not play Dust for a while (or just start AFK farming, since the only reason to really play right now is to hit SP cap) Carry on with your flowers and rainbows and such not I have to agree with you on a few of these points. The open beta should have been postponed at least for 2 months, not really understanding the sell point, they did release a starter pack, but that was more for the new players. Matchmaking is a bit one sided....i think that the squads should be more evenly split between the teams, and the SP gap OFC. Hitting the top end gear is only easy for the people who grind out the SP and use the boosters 100% of the time. Dropship can be viable if you have a decent pilot(although they don't get near enough credit from the kills.), LAV's I don't know, I have seen LAV's take considerable punishment, they are supposed to be a secondary transport when a DS isn't available. While getting to the SP cap is one of the main goals, I find myself working with my corp to better our communication and teamwork. When the main release comes, I have a theory(it very well could be wrong, but here goes). They are going to do a skill reset, not take away SP mind you, but just make it so you have to purchase the skills again and re-allocate your SP where you want it. My thinking is that they are going to seed all new skills and delete others. Unless they just refund the points in the deleted skills, like they did when they took away learning skills in EVE. Just a theory like I said, and I can dream
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.03.15 15:32:00 - [34] - Quote chromosone is a tech test build so they opened the beta to see how well TQ could handle it. thats why it's open beta
new hulk ZionTCD Legacy Rising 76	Posted - 2013.03.15 15:39:00 - [35] - Quote Advancements in text mapping,maps and spawning,and for the assault class,bit the rest of the classes are left in the dust.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.03.15 16:27:00 - [36] - Quote [quote=N1ck Comeau Now us as players need to stand together and help CCP make this game great. [/quote] Naw i hate you guys,ill help CCP anyway i can but the community..no.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec 31	Posted - 2013.03.15 16:56:00 - [37] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote: Do even play this game anymore N1ck Comeau [Stats] Total Kills: 1 364 Total Warpoints: 115, 736 You don't even play this game anymore, yet you're telling the vets do have patience. The Vets are dealing with the now, well you sit on the sidelines waving the FANBOI Flag. My friend just started playing last week and he has more total WP and kills then you. Your opinion means nothing and carries little weight. You have not experienced what we have experienced; nor played enough of the game to comment on its progress. Your just another Random who knows nothing Sorry but stats don't lie I play this game daily dude what are you talking about? i made this account cause of mistake i made on and old account i made this account like a month ago so don't hate dude You just don't play enough to say something, that's what he is saying. His friend played a week and deserved more opinion than you, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


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