| Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mr Kane Spero
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
   |
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:08:00 -
[1] - Quote
Since direct transfers between dusters will not be implemented for some time I will be offering ISK transfer and escrow services.
I feel that this service will enable parties and corporations to engage in numerous transactions and dealings that will be a benefit to the parties engaged in the transactions and the community as a whole. The holding corporation will be set up latter today and my associate will be handling the transactions. |
Money Transfer Service
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:10:00 -
[2] - Quote
As Mr Spero has stated, I will be helping him execute the escrow services by joining your corp and receiving the ISK you wish to transfer or hold in escrow for a contract. |
Jetteh22
DUST University
Ivy League
13
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:10:00 -
[3] - Quote
Thanks!  |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
576
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:10:00 -
[4] - Quote
You guys are terrible at scams |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1082
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:11:00 -
[5] - Quote
I can vouch that these are my alts and that this service is real. |
Jetteh22
DUST University
Ivy League
13
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:11:00 -
[6] - Quote
Bojo The Mighty wrote:You guys are terrible at scams
Hey, Bojo. I'll create a corp and we can 'battle' your corp for 10mil ISK. But you should lose on purpose. I'll invest this ISK and double it and we can do it again but I'll let you win 15mil ISK. Want to set this up for tomorrow? |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1082
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:15:00 -
[7] - Quote
The fact of the matter is without direct ISK transfers between organizations or characters there is going to be a lot we can't do. With an escrow service pretty much any contract can be enforced. This will be run independent of my current organization. |
Jetteh22
DUST University
Ivy League
13
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:16:00 -
[8] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:The fact of the matter is without direct ISK transfers between organizations or characters there is going to be a lot we can't do. With an escrow service pretty much any contract can be enforced. This will be run independent of my current organization.
To be honest.. It's actually not a bad idea. I don't own a corp so it really doesn't affect me I just can't see many people trusting this - especially all of the people who haven't really played EVE but have heard about these grand schemes that have happened :P |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1082
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:19:00 -
[9] - Quote
I've been in Eve for 8 years and have never been involved in a scam. I've even run an profitable Eve-side IPO that was started to raise capital for a freighter transport ship and then used the profits to pay the shareholders.
Heck, I'm currently holding in escrow all of the tourney prizes including 3 Plex, 3 Merc Codes, and Dust 514 T-shirts. |
Free Beers
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1216
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:25:00 -
[10] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:I've been in Eve for 8 years and have never been involved in a scam. I've even run an profitable Eve-side IPO that was started to raise capital for a freighter transport ship and then used the profits to pay the shareholders.
Heck, I'm currently holding in escrow all of the tourney prizes including 3 Plex, 3 Merc Codes, and Dust 514 T-shirts.
but you are a dirty imp |
|
|
4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
694
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:27:00 -
[11] - Quote
Can people really trust you? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
2041
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:33:00 -
[12] - Quote
4447 wrote:Can people really trust you?
He has a picture above his name, clearly you can trust him. |
|
ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
198
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:40:00 -
[13] - Quote
This sounds familiar... |
|
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
450
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:40:00 -
[14] - Quote
4447 wrote:Can people really trust you?
It would be pretty dumb to scam people this early... |
Mr Kane Spero
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
Chribba can attest to the benefit of a service like this.
This service isn't going to be free mind you. There will be associated costs for my time and services. I make more money in the long run through legitimate transactions. |
The Dragon Ascendant
Destruction Initiative Enterprise
120
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:44:00 -
[16] - Quote
I am certain this cannot possibly go wrong in any way what so ever. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1104
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:51:00 -
[17] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:I've been in Eve for 8 years and have never been involved in a scam. I've even run an profitable Eve-side IPO that was started to raise capital for a freighter transport ship and then used the profits to pay the shareholders.
Heck, I'm currently holding in escrow all of the tourney prizes including 3 Plex, 3 Merc Codes, and Dust 514 T-shirts.
Then you've been doing it wrong. I'll give you 150 prototype weapons to give me all the ISK you receive from clients. |
Mithridates VI
The Southern Legion
327
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:53:00 -
[18] - Quote
For whatever it's worth, I would quite comfortably transfer any sum of money through this service, if I had a bunch of money to transfer.
|
Mr Kane Spero
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:56:00 -
[19] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I've been in Eve for 8 years and have never been involved in a scam. I've even run an profitable Eve-side IPO that was started to raise capital for a freighter transport ship and then used the profits to pay the shareholders.
Heck, I'm currently holding in escrow all of the tourney prizes including 3 Plex, 3 Merc Codes, and Dust 514 T-shirts. Then you've been doing it wrong. I'll give you 150 prototype weapons to give me all the ISK you receive from clients.
No thanks. To me this is about both making money and providing a service to the community. In order to have deeper gameplay, we need some semblance of a contract service. If CCP doesn't have have a contract market when District conquest goes live, I'll make it myself. |
Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
58
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 21:58:00 -
[20] - Quote
Unless you ARE Chribba, I'm not giving you isk. Ever hear the story of Eve-Bank?
Eve-bank was an investment bank corp set up in eve. There was a huge advertising blitz, including RL ad space in EON magazine, asking people to set up an account and deposit isk. The money would be loaned to other corps to fund cap ship and station construction, and interest would be charged, which you would then earn on your savings. There was a period during startup where no loans would be given out while they built up capital, and so no interest would be given.
All in all, very legit-looking, and very interesting, so many, many players opened accounts and deposited much, much Isk.
However, when the grace period ended, the CEO of the corp simply said "thank you", pocketed the money, and closed the corp.
|
|
|
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
29
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 22:19:00 -
[21] - Quote
Klivve Cussler wrote:Unless you ARE Chribba, I'm not giving you isk. Ever hear the story of Eve-Bank?
Eve-bank was an investment bank corp set up in eve. There was a huge advertising blitz, including RL ad space in EON magazine, asking people to set up an account and deposit isk. The money would be loaned to other corps to fund cap ship and station construction, and interest would be charged, which you would then earn on your savings. There was a period during startup where no loans would be given out while they built up capital, and so no interest would be given.
All in all, very legit-looking, and very interesting, so many, many players opened accounts and deposited much, much Isk.
However, when the grace period ended, the CEO of the corp simply said "thank you", pocketed the money, and closed the corp.
Did you read that one off wiki get real man |
Mithridates VI
The Southern Legion
327
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 22:22:00 -
[22] - Quote
Klivve Cussler wrote:Unless you ARE Chribba, I'm not giving you isk. Ever hear the story of Eve-Bank?
Eve-bank was an investment bank corp set up in eve. There was a huge advertising blitz, including RL ad space in EON magazine, asking people to set up an account and deposit isk. The money would be loaned to other corps to fund cap ship and station construction, and interest would be charged, which you would then earn on your savings. There was a period during startup where no loans would be given out while they built up capital, and so no interest would be given.
All in all, very legit-looking, and very interesting, so many, many players opened accounts and deposited much, much Isk.
However, when the grace period ended, the CEO of the corp simply said "thank you", pocketed the money, and closed the corp.
Your concern relies on the assumption that Kane has an interest in becoming infamous at a cost to the operations he has at present which rely on his honesty. I get the impression that his efforts as an honest businessman are more important to him, so wouldn't hesitate to use this service. |
Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
58
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 22:33:00 -
[23] - Quote
First off Eve online bank scandal I was there.
Look, all I'm saying is that trust is hard to come by in New Eden. The one player trusted by the majority of Eve players, Chribba, spent years providing services to the community and building a reputation as a fair provider of game-related services before he offered to act as a go-between for large transactions. He is the only player to have Titans (not one but at least four) in high security space, which he uses for mining. He is completely impartial to all null-sec politicking. It took him years to build up a reputation for trustworthiness above all. Even then, not everyone is willing to trust him for a transaction.
I don't know Kane. All I know is that so many instances of theft and confidence games in New Eden that CCP made a trailer about it. I'm going to be cautious |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons
RISE of LEGION
305
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 23:33:00 -
[24] - Quote
Kane has spent a lot of time here earning the trust of the veteran community. If that was all for a chance to steal some transactions it would be one of the more stupid time investments to actual payout I've ever witnessed.
I would be very interested in using this service. Depending on the agreed upon exchange rates I might be interested in sending the ISK in either direction.
As long as the transactions are taken care of in a quick manner (1-2 days) the overall amount of ISK will be relatively small. EvE bank only became so large because they were holding all of the investment money. If they clear all the transactions quickly the overall risk of getting scammed is actually quite small. Any loss of confidence will destroy the whole service so I am pretty sure all the transactions will be completed. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1108
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 23:41:00 -
[25] - Quote
Kane is pretty trustworthy. But then again, they all are... |
Rhapsodyy Darkforce
SyNergy Gaming
4
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 23:42:00 -
[26] - Quote
4447 wrote:Can people really trust you?
There are trusted 3rd party services in eve, and i see no reason it couldnt eventually happen in dust. It just takes time to build up that trust and a reputation within the community. Only time will tell if its a scam or not (though they quite often can be). Just have to see what kind of testimonials he gets form customers, then decide for yourself.
Personally the only person id trust is Chribba but thats just me. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1087
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 03:20:00 -
[27] - Quote
I definitely wouldn't want to do any kind of long term investment stuff. Been there with the IPO I did (Damaged Goods). That took a a month or so to wrap up. Wouldn't want to do it again. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
517
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 04:45:00 -
[28] - Quote
How I'd go about making an escrow / ISK transfer service;
1) Give Chribba 20 billion ISK equivalents to hold in escrow.
2) Create a contract to forfeit the escrow in case of an attempt to scam the customers.
3) ???
4) Profit. |
Repe Susi
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
299
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 10:54:00 -
[29] - Quote
IF this start-up goes well, I don't see why Kain Spero would snatch the monies and betray all the people who have put their trust on him. That would be just stupid. Of course there's more money to make by keeping this legitimate and collecting fees of the transactions and what not.
And there's demand for this kind of service before we have other means of transferring ISK to people. |
HERCULEZE
Neanderthal Nation
11
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 12:14:00 -
[30] - Quote
ChribbaX wrote:This sounds familiar...
Penny dropped.
Chribba will be the only guy i will use for anything like that, also giving an imperfect my money? I'd probably be better off buying millitia assault rifles with it. |
|
|
Cat Merc
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
42
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 12:24:00 -
[31] - Quote
Bojo The Mighty wrote:You guys are terrible at scams
|
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
216
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 13:45:00 -
[32] - Quote
All the best scams start out as legitimate trustworthy people ... until years down the line and they realise just how much they're holding and how many of their mates have moved on or dispersed ... suddenly it's 'why the hell not'. |
Mr Kane Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
3
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 13:55:00 -
[33] - Quote
Rasatsu wrote:How I'd go about making an escrow / ISK transfer service;
1) Give Chribba 20 billion ISK equivalents to hold in escrow.
2) Create a contract to forfeit the escrow in case of an attempt to scam the customers.
3) ???
4) Profit.
I don't have 20 billion but I'll talk to Chribba about something this. +1 |
|
ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
202
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 16:07:00 -
[34] - Quote
Mr Kane Spero wrote:Rasatsu wrote:How I'd go about making an escrow / ISK transfer service;
1) Give Chribba 20 billion ISK equivalents to hold in escrow.
2) Create a contract to forfeit the escrow in case of an attempt to scam the customers.
3) ???
4) Profit. I don't have 20 billion but I'll talk to Chribba about something this. +1
The steps outlined above is a question I get fairly often from pilots who wish to start a 3rd party service themselves.
Here's the problem with that method (and also the reason why I kindly decline assisting in securing things that way).
In the scenario where I am holding collateral for said person to conduct 3rd party trades themselves, they are really not providing the security needed, I am. Seeing as in the end I am still the one holding the collateral. My view is not only about safekeeping assets, but also to ensure that neither party gets scammed, regardless of if there's collateral that covers it.
Hence, if Mr Kane goes rouge and steal 20b and I refund the victim, my service still failed as someone did get scammed, and one party got away with ISK/assets they shouldn't have gotten in the first place.
Add to the fact, that I have very little way of verifying things myself since I'm not involved in the trade itself (I'm just somewhere in the background with collateral) is a big reason why I do not secure other 3rd parties.
And seeing as I cannot control another person, I could not guarantee said person do not attempt to scam someone, which is essentially the ground for how I run my service, to ensure that involved parties are secured and feel comfortable.
(also ponder that I hold 20b in collateral, and the person under me decides to do two 20b trades at the same time and scam, that wouldn't be collateralized, there's more trapdoors around as well with various degrees of risk)
/c |
|
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
366
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 16:17:00 -
[35] - Quote
Honestly after playing with Kain and talking with him I couldnt imagine him screwing people over with something like this. But people can believe what they want to believe. Kain has done more for Dust than any other single person. Heck I would argue that in some ways Kain has done more to advance Dust than some Devs. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
128
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 16:49:00 -
[36] - Quote
From what I've seen, and granted I've only been around since November, I would say Kain has made great strides in promoting the community and has obviously put forth great effort to mesh the EvE/Dust community together in different ways.
Now you are talking about hard earned currency for Dust players, where it is not necessarily easy to acquire/save a lot (contrary to EvE players)
You are now asking the Dust community to notice all the deeds you have done (hats off btw, I know the time and effort it took and continues to take) and to place their trust in you.
for some, this may work, and I am in no way insinuating that anything shady would occur, but being an 8 year vet from Eve, I'm sure you undoubtedly know about all the politics and how the smallest of things can alter the course of something big.
You are associated with a corp that regardless of skill/teamwork/success etc. is by majority standards disliked in this community.
that affiliation alone I believe will prevent most players from ever considering this as a legitimate, viable option.
And no I'm not trying to bash or anything of the sort. There are a number of Imp players I have tremendous respect for, but Image is everything in a community such as this, and I don't see that image (simply through association) to be changing (for the positive)anytime soon.
good luck in your venture regardless, and I hope you can prove me wrong. I just know how communities can treat a group and the effects of that for the individuals associated with them.
|
Mr Kane Spero
Spero Escrow Services
3
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 18:14:00 -
[37] - Quote
I agree that I will have to continue to earn and maintain trust for this service to go anywhere. I feel that there is going to be a need to engage is these types of transactions between corporations and alliances until CCP can institute a contract market and I'm no longer needed. I really hope that the day that a service like this is no longer need will come sooner rather than later.
Coming from Eve, reputation is one of the most valuable assets you can have. I hope that some of my actions have proved that reputation has translated over to Dust. As I've said before, this will be an independent entity. Transfers will not be restricted by corporate or alliance affiliation, much as the Dust OB channels have been maintained.
I look forward to continuing to earn your trust and hope that players, corps, and alliances wlll find value in the services I provide. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
239
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 18:18:00 -
[38] - Quote
Kain is legit |
Furrow33
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.03.15 18:57:00 -
[39] - Quote
Done so much to promote dust eh? Nah i know a certain corp ceo that happens to be on podcasts and interviewing devs alot. The guy busts his butt giving out information about dust and eve all the time. Ive never heard of kain. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1091
|
Posted - 2013.03.16 18:46:00 -
[40] - Quote
That's fine you don't have to have heard of me. I'm glad when anyone helps to further the dust community, especially when it is something that drives the community to action. |
|
|
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
463
|
Posted - 2013.03.21 03:08:00 -
[41] - Quote
What is your fee? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2084
|
Posted - 2013.03.21 14:05:00 -
[42] - Quote
Mr Kane Spero wrote:Rasatsu wrote:How I'd go about making an escrow / ISK transfer service;
1) Give Chribba 20 billion ISK equivalents to hold in escrow.
2) Create a contract to forfeit the escrow in case of an attempt to scam the customers.
3) ???
4) Profit. I don't have 20 billion but I'll talk to Chribba about something this. +1
Says +1.
Doesn't +1 the post.
Rasatsu gets a +1 from me, and Mr Kane Spero will have +1 from me if he follows through on this promise. Also, from the encounters I've had with him, I'd be inclined to take him at his word. I don't know him well enough to trust him with a large amount of ISK in the first instance, but I might work towards that if I end up needing such a service in a smaller transaction. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
863
|
Posted - 2013.03.21 14:48:00 -
[43] - Quote
What's the ratio you are doing? 1:1?
What's the max you can do right now? |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1174
|
Posted - 2013.03.25 14:55:00 -
[44] - Quote
A quick update. I'm looking into using this service for entities interested in exchanging their Eve ISK for Dust ISK since I have gotten questions regarding that exchange. I will update you all with progress in that field, but it will depend mainly on demand.
Also, I'm currently in negotiations with the Electronic Sports League to use Spero Escrow Services to set up a buy-in tourney to start soon and end before fanfest. |
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |