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Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.13 20:22:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Don't use it if you can't afford to lose it. That works for Eve, where the game is balanced*. This would be akin if Eve had some spamable pod that could 2 shot a titan, and warp to any fight anywhere instantly. If That was the case, the phrase "Don't use it if you can't afford to lose it" Would never have been derived. Think about what you're saying, there's a reason that phrase came out of Eve. Just because CCP made both Eve and Dust does not mean the idiom applies to both right now
Honestly the logic for space combat (especially for a titan) is different. A titan is huge and armoured with heavy weaponry. It would take a lot of shots and ships to bring down a titan. A tank is not of the magnitude of a titan.
And if your getting annoyed of my ramblings of logic call me a vulcan; Nonetheless, its logic and their for cannot be ignored. |
Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
60
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Posted - 2013.03.13 20:25:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:People are just either too butthurt or scared about getting their favourite weapons nerfed had they gotten killed by the same weapon they would post similiar things.
EDIT: what you said there was absolute BS "let's nerf everything and reduce eHP on everything but dropships"
Grow a Pair.
Being annoyed and whining on the forums to get a perfectly balanced guns are two very different things.
Are you saying we are suppose to let a good gun go down the drain due to whines?
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
153
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Posted - 2013.03.13 20:28:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Also technically, a few starter frigs could kill a solo titan technically or in practice? In practice a few starter fits can solo a maxed ds Technically as in if that scenario were to happen, the titan would have no chance http://r1fta.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14726097 this is a good representation of whar cheaper stuff can do
Claims rookie ships can kill a titan
Uses T2 assault ship killing PvE fit Loki as proof 
Better example. Admittedly, it's old, but it should go down about the same way now.
That said, Titans (and all caps) are almost always active tank fit, so it would take a lot of rookie ships to kill one. And that's assuming it doesn't use any smart bombs. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2013.03.13 20:30:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:This would be akin if Eve had some spamable pod that could 2 shot a titan, and warp to any fight anywhere instantly.
Exaggerate much?
This is more like frigates taking on cruisers. (That's how the cost structure works out, too, with a cruiser ringing in at over 10x the cost of a frigate.) Generally you shouldn't be able to solo a cruiser in a frigate, but if the cruiser is poorly fitted and the pilot is inept, you absolutely could. Any other circumstance, you're going to need to team up.
There are other balance issues that come into play because Dust uses a closed field with a fixed number of players on each side, so the balance isn't just ISK-for-ISK, or SP-for-SP, it's player-for-player.
Personally, I think forge guns should be omitted from starter fits and militia equipment. I recognize that there was a gap in militia equipment because there were no heavy weapons, but let's not give it out just to give it out. We still have militia swarms if people need an AV fallback. Otherwise, forge guns seem fine to me. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
439
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:38:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Don't use it if you can't afford to lose it. That works for Eve, where the game is balanced*. This would be akin if Eve had some spamable pod that could 2 shot a titan, and warp to any fight anywhere instantly. If That was the case, the phrase "Don't use it if you can't afford to lose it" Would never have been derived. Think about what you're saying, there's a reason that phrase came out of Eve. Just because CCP made both Eve and Dust does not mean the idiom applies to both right now
I'm using it in the Dust sense. Don't use it if you're not prepared to lose it. Once you bring something to the battlefield, it's your own fault if you lose it, no one forced you to call it in. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
142
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:39:00 -
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This thread is all my fault, guys. I'll try to tone down the pwnage but no guarantees.
Nguruthos IX wrote:Pro-FG posts are not welcome. We don't like you :(
Now, if you could post in this thread why you think healthy, objective debate needs to be toned down in favor of one-sided complaints.
Is it because one of us blapped your last special edition jeep that you thought would be fun to load up with 3 of your buddies and go joyriding with before you've scouted the field? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2014
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:57:00 -
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The best reason to Nerf forgegun damage is to make a new variant. Lower damage, faster fire, perhaps larger splash with less damage.
Bring back the replication octagonal reticle too, and the 4m splash :D |
Specter RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
57
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:21:00 -
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I'd totally take up a High RoF Low damage (900 HP Damage) Low Splash radius (No radius good enough too) forge gun any day with higher magazine cap any day honestly to direct hit more red dots. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
166
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Posted - 2013.03.13 22:28:00 -
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I apologize for stopping your free kills in a tank by blowing the p.o.s. up and for killing you with my forge because you stood still like a dumbass. *Snicker* Nah, not really. I'd do it again in heartbeat. |
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