DUST Search - He is NASTY with the MD [video]

XXfootnoteXX wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Thog A Kuma wrote:

You'all really need to try the MD for a couple games, just for giggles you'know?

that "aiming at a surface" thing is a stone *****.
I'd love to see you AR folks (just the whiny ones) try to hit anything with 1/8 second to 2 second lag with only 6 shots, sure that that doesn't address that your opponent can jump over your damage but I'll spot you folks that one.
Yeah we get that blast radius but in shots that are farther than 30 meters away all a running target needs to do is stop and we miss (walking targets can start running the other way and that works for them too) you see in the future, grenades only hurt things up to 5 meters away but people can run 6 meters per second and our grenades take a bit o' time to get to you.

Please folks, try that stupid weapon before you claim there is no skill involved. It is one thing to be ignorant quietly, but proving is totally unnecessary.

Here's some advise though, when outfitting you can only have nanohives so you don't need to spend ISK on anything else, that makes MD easier for sure.

*as for friendly fire, I am wholly in favor (though it will totally change the mostly positive interactions in corp chat) I really want my corp mates to die painfully when they step infront of my MD (killing me)

The MD requires skill if you want to be good. But to say that it requires more skill to kill than an AR just isn't logical when you can miss and still kill

Quite logical actually. If your aiming at someone say 10m away, and miss, it flys past him and far enough where it wont do any damage. Simply lets every raspberry know where you are at. After playing with the mass driver for a month or so now, I ran around with the AR the other day and it was like I was playing easy mode. Of course this was against your average players. I got murdered against any good players because I have no skill into suits or AR's.

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RECON BY FIRE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 66	Posted - 2013.03.08 03:27:00 - [61] - Quote Thog A Kuma wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Thog A Kuma wrote: Please folks, try that stupid weapon before you claim there is no skill involved. It is one thing to be ignorant quietly, but proving is totally unnecessary. Here's some advise though, when outfitting you can only have nanohives so you don't need to spend ISK on anything else, that makes MD easier for sure. I would advise you to learn the differance between advice and advise before commenting on someones intelligence. Other than that you make some fairly decent points except what everyones missing in that the mass driver is super easy mode at 20 to 30 meters and under. I apologize for not checking what my spell check did It is my responsibility to monitor my posts for perfect grammar and in that I failed . It seems off that you would correct me while having spelling errors in your post but I forgive you. You are incorrect on "easy mode" You might want to add some criteria: opponent has already taken shield damage, he is against a wall, he is facing the wrong way...actually that is easy mode for everyone... What is not easy mode is 20-30 meters where your opponent is above you, or shooting you with a GEK or better or you just had an engagement and you need to take 3.5 seconds to reload 6 more shots (which kills only 2 players) How much damage is in a full mag of AR. How much damage is in an EXO? You dont even realize that yours wasnt a spelling error but rather improper word usage, which I feel is a worse grammar **** offense since many words are spelled differant than they sound. And dont even start with me on the shield damage BS. Yall have flux grenades you can use as well as the fact that mass drivers do more damage to shields than people give them credit for.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 80	Posted - 2013.03.08 03:36:00 - [62] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: You dont even realize that yours wasnt a spelling error but rather improper word usage, which I feel is a worse grammar ** offense since many words are spelled differant** than they sound. And dont even start with me on the shield damage BS. Yall have flux grenades you can use as well as the fact that mass drivers do more damage to shields than people give them credit for. Had you spelled "different" correctly I would now be pointing out that this should be "differently". "Spelled" is a verb and should be modified by an adverb, not an adjective. Don't even get me started on the lack of apostrophes.
RECON BY FIRE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 66	Posted - 2013.03.08 03:43:00 - [63] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: You dont even realize that yours wasnt a spelling error but rather improper word usage, which I feel is a worse grammar ** offense since many words are spelled differant** than they sound. And dont even start with me on the shield damage BS. Yall have flux grenades you can use as well as the fact that mass drivers do more damage to shields than people give them credit for. Had you spelled "different" correctly I would now be pointing out that this should be "differently". "Spelled" is a verb and should be modified by an adverb, not an adjective. Don't even get me started on the lack of apostrophes. golf clap
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 525	Posted - 2013.03.08 05:12:00 - [64] - Quote That wasn't Nasty enough. Today I took on a Subreddit Heavy, solo, in a scout suit with basic Mass driver and Flux nades and he never even hit my shields.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 909	Posted - 2013.03.08 06:43:00 - [65] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Dude just because you can make a video does not mean you should make a video. . Just because you CAN post on the forums does not mean you should.
Thog A Kuma Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2013.03.08 07:40:00 - [66] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: You dont even realize that yours wasnt a spelling error but rather improper word usage, which I feel is a worse grammar **** offense since many words are spelled differant than they sound. And dont even start with me on the shield damage BS. Yall have flux grenades you can use as well as the fact that mass drivers do more damage to shields than people give them credit for. I'm quite aware that neither advise and advice are improperly spelled, you might note, if you thought long and hard about it, that sometimes people hit the wrong key when they type and spell-check can suggest a word that looks similar to the word they wanted. Alas however, that word sometimes is not the one desired at all....and you still cannot seem to find the time or desire to correct your own misspellings even as you correct mine. Be that as it may, I hope one day to be able to type a missive to you that will meet your strict error tolerances. I use flux grenades, as a MD user I must, some people can choose what type of grenade they equip, my weapon choice means I do not get that luxury. As I said however I do have 3 flux grenades to port about so that I might drop an opponents shields, using this extra tool though doesn't seem to be "easy mode" like you described. how does using a weapon that requires tossing a grenade before the engagement qualify as "easy mode"? You see, I have MD Proficiency 1, when I splash the average non-scout suit, it takes 3 hits to drop them that is a bit over 3 seconds, I'd best not miss. One of you AR type duds (sorry, I misspelled dudes) using a GEK needs to hit me just over 1/4 of the time in those 3 seconds (12.5 rounds a second 32.5 damage per round = 406 damage/second (ignoring the weaponry +25% damage)) In a straight up 1v1 fight, GEK takes my lunch money and stuffs me in a locker. Your magazine holds 1950 points of damage and you can empty them in to me in less than 5 seconds. My magazine holds 759 points of damage and I take no less than 6 seconds. Don't worry I don't feel bad about it, I just have to play differently. I am always climbing ladders/hills, jumping on jeeps and boxes (giving snipers far and wide something interesting to look at) at long range targets i have some other tricks I employ to get shots to land where I want them. (none of those tricks are "Put Cross-hairs On Target, Pull Trigger") You may think MD is "Easy Mode" because you only bump into people who have devoted a lot of time working on this one weapon and have built every aspect of their suit and their behavior around it. Those people make it look easy. There is a freak Nova Knife dude running around who killed me twice in a game and forced me to suicide 4 times, he made the Nova look easy. Things that look easy are not always easy, it is kind of like spelling, not hard if you try, but clueless people sometimes don't appreciate the effort it takes to do a job right. Again, thank you for helping me get better at my grammar and spelling, i appreciate it so very much.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 75	Posted - 2013.03.08 08:28:00 - [67] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Eveeryone uses ARs because that's what people are used to using in fps games. How can the MD be harder than an AR when your aim has to be precise in order to kill as opposed to MDs where you kill even if it isn't a direct hit and you miss. All that you have to do is hit in the area and they are dead. Not to mention, the proto MDs have a much larger splash damage radius and can kill much easier. because staying on top of buildings against militia equiped players that play their first match so they have no clue whats happening is no argument :) doing something like this in a even match would result him being killed by a sniper instantly the moment he climbed on the building. beside that, MD is weak to shields, it does 80% damage to shields, doesnt it? the most common suit has heavy shields. if you dont get a direct hit against someone that is not braindead in a type 2 assault or type 2 heavy you have low chance and getting a direct hit with the MD is not an easy task. flux grenades might help but just like you can have flux grenades your target might have regular ones and instead blow you up instantly. the AR on the other hand is able to kill you before your first projectile hits the ground.
Rifter7 Improvise. 59	Posted - 2013.03.08 09:59:00 - [68] - Quote cool vid man.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 194	Posted - 2013.03.08 13:28:00 - [69] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Buster Friently wrote: OK, I explained some of it already, but let me try again. Because the MD is not hitscan, you must aim in time and space. Because most weapons are hitscan, you only need to aim in space. If that makes no sense to you - brain up. Also, the AR fires much faster than the MD, so yes, you have to point the AR at the target. The MD you have to point the weapon at the target as well, but differently as explained aboce. With the MD you get 6 shots (8 on the Assault variants). 6 shots - that's all. Also, you have a total of 18 shots in the gun, then you need supplies. This is a big limitation. There are other issues that make the MD more difficult to use than casual observation would suggest. I invite anyone who thinks the MD is an "easy" weapon to use, to try it for a while and see how it really works. It has it's place, but it is by no means easier than the "default" AR weapon. I think the funniest part is where you mentioned "mass driver" and "aim" in the same sentence. It goes more like this: With MD you kinda point yourself in the general direction of the red dots a bit and then mash R1 repeatedly until all the squishy things die from your 50m splash radius grenade launcher that does virtually no self-damage to the operator outside of him sticking the MD into an enemy's ribs and pulling the trigger. btw, the other weapons do not instantly hit when you pull the trigger. Basing MD's "aiming" (lol) on the incorrect assumption that just because it has the lowest muzzle velocity it's the only one you have to "aim in time and space" is lulzy. Let me give you some more realistic scenarios: AR: Red charges at you across a field. You point your AR riffle at them then swing it left and right until the red X appears to tell you they are lined up. You pull the trigger and do damage. They strafe. You keep the trigger depressed to pull your rain of fire back across them. They start shooting at you, so you strafe while still spraying. They go down. You get a kill. Not the best techniques, but not difficult. MD: Red charges at you across a field. You aim at Red and fire. You shot lands 20m in front of him due to drop. You do 5% damage to his shields. You aim up over his head. Too far. You next shot lands 30m behind him. You drop your aim and fire again. Your round flies over his shoulder and lands 20m behind him. You try to aim at his feet but misjudge and hit 10m in front of him. You do another 20% damage to his shields. You start backpedalling and fire again at the ground under his feet. Too close. You do 30% damage to his shields, but 50% damage to your own. It looks like he has decided to melee you to death or shoot you from point blank range. As he gets into melee range you shoot him in the chest killing him and you both. (I have had this scenario play out at least 4 times.) Mass Driver is fun to use because the explosions look cool, but trajectory analysis is a real head game. You donGÇÖt have to think when using and Assault Riffle. You just aim and shoot. It is just about hand-eye coordination. With a Mass Driver it is constantly running physics problems in your head. You canGÇÖt just aim at anything beyond 15m. You have to aim above your target for your round to get their, and you have to figure out how much to aim above your target. You also have to look for something to splash your round off of to make an explosion, and the ground is a lot harder to judge than walls are. If someone is standing in front of the broad side of a barn, then yes, it will be easy to kill them, but if they are in the open, or behind cover, it is much more difficult. When an Assault Riffle misses it is usually a few inches to the left or right of the target. When a Mass Driver misses it is usually 20m in front or behind the target. I find the constant physics problems of using a Mass Driver to be fun, and I would like to get better at using the weapon, but I think I am a fairly solid example of how this weapon is not a GÇ£Noob TubGÇ¥ that any unskilled player can pick up and get kills with. I can get way more kills with either my SMG or my Sniper Riffle right now than I can get with a Mass Driver. They are way easier to use, as is the Assault Riffle. I think the Mass Driver is very well balanced against other weapons right now, particularly since it is meant more as an area denial weapon than a weapon to get kills with.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 916	Posted - 2013.03.08 14:06:00 - [70] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Thog A Kuma wrote: You'all really need to try the MD for a couple games, just for giggles you'know? that "aiming at a surface" thing is a stone ****. I'd love to see you AR folks (just the whiny ones) try to hit anything with 1/8 second to 2 second lag with only 6 shots, sure that that doesn't address that your opponent can jump over your damage but I'll spot you folks that one. Yeah we get that blast radius but in shots that are farther than 30 meters away all a running target needs to do is stop and we miss (walking targets can start running the other way and that works for them too) you see in the future, grenades only hurt things up to 5 meters away but people can run 6 meters per second and our grenades take a bit o' time to get to you. Please folks, try that stupid weapon before you claim there is no skill involved. It is one thing to be ignorant quietly, but proving is totally unnecessary. Here's some advise though, when outfitting you can only have nanohives so you don't need to spend ISK on anything else, that makes MD easier for sure. as for friendly fire, I am wholly in favor (though it will totally change the mostly positive interactions in corp chat) I really want my corp mates to die painfully when they step infront of my MD (killing me) The MD requires skill if you want to be good. But to say that it requires more skill to kill than an AR just isn't logical when you can miss and still kill Quite logical actually. If your aiming at someone say 10m away, and miss, it flys past him and far enough where it wont do any damage. Simply lets every raspberry know where you are at. After playing with the mass driver for a month or so now, I ran around with the AR the other day and it was like I was playing easy mode. Of course this was against your average players. I got murdered against any good players because I have no skill into suits or AR's. c'mon man.....of course you can totally miss with the mass driver. With the ARs, it has to be a direct hit. It's direct hit or no kill. With MDs, it's direct hit, then miss with splash damage, or just miss totally.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 916	Posted - 2013.03.08 14:15:00 - [71] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: That wasn't Nasty enough. Today I took on a Subreddit Heavy, solo, in a scout suit with basic Mass driver and Flux nades and he never even hit my shields. Your adventure "wasn't Nasty enough" as I 1 v 2'ed two heavies with full health yesterday, with an AR.......Big deal, so what. You were just looking for a reason to say that you killed one heavy...this is hardly the thread or the context for it.
Prangstar RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 64	Posted - 2013.03.10 12:48:00 - [72] - Quote You gotta love all the hate. Hate is a sign of respect because you all wish you're as good as the player ur hating on. Bolsh owns lots of people with his MD.
The Loathing The Southern Legion 22	Posted - 2013.03.10 15:00:00 - [73] - Quote Prangstar RND wrote: You gotta love all the hate. Hate is a sign of respect because you all wish you're as good as the player ur hating on. Bolsh owns lots of people with his MD. Took the words right outta my mouth. Being a long time user of MDs I just crack up at the noob tube comments and the whiners that say it takes no skill/aim to use this weapon. Judging trajectory of MD projectiles is a skill. You're right, there is no aiming. We call it judging. Close range we need to judge how much damage we will sustain from our own weapon. Mid range we need to judge the movement of a player before he/she makes it since our rounds take that much longer to reach them. Long range we have to judge a massive amount of trajectory and if the shot is even worthwhile to use the limited rounds we have. If MDs were easy EVERY noob would use them. But until you can effectively wield this weapon on a map like Manus Peak, the learning curve on this weapon turns many away. This is in no way minimising other weapons and the skills required to use them. But bitching about this weapon is usually due to the fact that you haven't figured out a way to counter it.
Prangstar RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2013.03.10 23:32:00 - [74] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNH4O8nB7X8


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