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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:10:00 -
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Can we please call us something else? CQC Specialists? Shotgun berserkers? We should not be called Scouts. We can't really mark anything for a period of time without risking our head being sniped off. We can't gun fight against proto stacked dmg mod suits we are too squishy. We can't fight Heavy at all we can SOMETIME take on crappy Assault proto dmg mod build but not top players. Only thing people ever tell me we are good for is speed and shotgun.
So I am thinking lets stop making them sound cool with a name like Scout and just call them Shotgunner. We should not be able to use nothing but SMG, shotgun, and Sniper rifle. Give us something that is worth having. Fast shields means nothing when dmg mod rips through them with a few shots. It is not hard to land a few bullets enough to tear away a shield. Can I get some strafe speed? more jumps? more shields? SOMETHING worth making a Scout unique in fights? Assault is balanced they have it all Heavy is armor with a killer "underpowered" sniper rifle that has 300+ with "a over heat"
Scouts have faster shield regen assuming the enemy can't shoot it all gone than you gotta stack regs to make it come back a few seconds faster than normal but still have to wait that is no advantage at all. So either give us something that makes us cool or just allow us to only use Shotgun and sniper rifles. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:23:00 -
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It's no secret most Scouts feel they have to be "Gayar Snipacus" They can't do much else. Only real other choice is running shotgun or you can YOLO like me and play a light armor Assault. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:26:00 -
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1) Don't run/jump in close corners if you are trying to sneak. 2) I think tactical assault rifles/lasers may be underestimated for scouts. 3) Dropping uplinks/ reviving behind enemy lines. 4) You can get a 35m+ detection on your dropsuit for under 150k SP and even better with a little more. That's outside of the optimal ranges of a lot of guns. 5) Like the logi, you aren't made to fight solo most of the time.
Everyone is so KILL obsessed. Assaults ARE the damage dealer. Everyone else IS a suboptimal DPSer. Which is okay right now, but I'm really thinking that there will be many more elements to battlefield dynamics than just putting damage on target. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:29:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:1) Don't run/jump in close corners if you are trying to sneak. 2) I think tactical assault rifles/lasers may be underestimated for scouts. 3) Dropping uplinks/ reviving behind enemy lines. 4) You can get a 35m+ detection on your dropsuit for under 150k SP and even better with a little more. That's outside of the optimal ranges of a lot of guns. 5) Like the logi, you aren't made to fight solo most of the time.
Everyone is so KILL obsessed. Assaults ARE the damage dealer. Everyone else IS a suboptimal DPSer. Which is okay right now, but I'm really thinking that there will be many more elements to battlefield dynamics than just putting damage on target.
So I am supposed to run around and use some kind of scanner for my team? This is my purpose on a team? I am not sure how to use those things I will try them out though if this is my job I think redline sniping sounds a bit more fun of a job than hiding in holes and turning on my little scanner and going back to sleep till I feel the need to scan again. |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:30:00 -
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Scouts scout, they run fast and have small scan profiles. Not every suit is made to be a pure bad ass killer clown. You can't have it all. Imo scouts are just as much a support role as the Logi, you can get to places fast, throw down uplinks or RE things and do other scouty things.
I roll Heavy and give up a lot, you roll scout and give up a lot. Good scouts can get up on someone, kill them and be gone in a few seconds. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:31:00 -
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WHAT! You can't take my ARs, Mass Drivers, and Scrambler Pistols from me! I do run a shotgun as well but really? |
Cade Orion
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:32:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:1) Don't run/jump in close corners if you are trying to sneak. 2) I think tactical assault rifles/lasers may be underestimated for scouts. 3) Dropping uplinks/ reviving behind enemy lines. 4) You can get a 35m+ detection on your dropsuit for under 150k SP and even better with a little more. That's outside of the optimal ranges of a lot of guns. 5) Like the logi, you aren't made to fight solo most of the time.
Everyone is so KILL obsessed. Assaults ARE the damage dealer. Everyone else IS a suboptimal DPSer. Which is okay right now, but I'm really thinking that there will be many more elements to battlefield dynamics than just putting damage on target. Killing with your primary weapon is just ONE way to get warpoints, and killing the enemy clones is arguably the lesser of the two ways you can win a skirmish match.
If there might be a bonus that hasn't been thought of yet, it might be the ability to call in vehicles more quickly. If the scout's queue was 5 seconds vs. 15 that might be nice.
Everyone is sooo get my kills obsessed. I get my fair share, but being a pure logi - I care only about supporting my team mates and keeping them alive, that's what I'm designed to do and that's my role. I believe I play it pretty well (just wish CCP would show some stats showing this...cough cough)
You want a name for your shotgunning scout....I'd go with berserker. CQC specialist would have to be more blade oriented in my opinion |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:33:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:So I am supposed to run around and use some kind of scanner for my team?.
sounds exactly like something a scout would do. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:39:00 -
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Big miku wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:So I am supposed to run around and use some kind of scanner for my team?. sounds exactly like something a scout would do.
Man sounds like I chose the wrong suit than. If they would of explained scout more clearly that they are PURE spy and nothing on the battlefield I would of NEVER chosen to be one. I liked them for their ability to get in and out of hot spots but now that everybody has proto you can't even kill nobody fast enough to get in and out. a HMG would snipe you like before you got away. |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:43:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Man sounds like I chose the wrong suit than. If they would of explained scout more clearly that they are PURE spy and nothing on the battlefield I would of NEVER chosen to be one.
Maybe if you had bothered to learn what a scout is
Scout Goggle define |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
515
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:45:00 -
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This whole thread makes no sense, the Scout Suit is a suit! No suit should have limitations outside of reason, just stats.
Scouts shouldn't be forced to use shotguns! |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
201
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:46:00 -
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Nobody said they are nothing on the battlefield. Think of them like a boxer's 'jab'. You won't get a lot of power from them, but you can certainly test defenses and throw off your opponent. You reserve crosses and hooks (assaults) for most of the work of wearing the team down and the uppercuts (heavies) for the final blow.
Half the fun of the game is figuring out your role. Plus most of your skills aren't for waste if you want to start into assault suits now anyway. |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:48:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:This whole thread makes no sense, the Scout Suit is a suit! No suit should have limitations outside of reason, just stats.
Scouts shouldn't be forced to use shotguns!
Guy is just upset he is not a top tier scout yet and is blaming the game, not the player. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:51:00 -
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I think your poblem is that your doing it wrong. If your in proto you can move wnd I mean move with 2 proto red vials match that with endurance and systems hacking and profile dampening. You are a stealthy obejective hacking machine.
Throw on a dmg mod proto shotgun and stealth mods... lol good night proto heavies.
If I felt like it on manus peak and somenof the other maps I can get to b before the reddots have gotten halfway there.
The scout requires finesse more than other classes. If someone sees me before I get close enough to ohk them... say hello to the scariest game of peekaboo you have ever played.
Its a good class could use a tad bit of love but not much. Mostly the old strafe speeds where no suit was gonna turn fast enough to get you unless they knew what they were doing.
Dont EVER go head to head with a scout suit. The name of the game is SUPRISE KITTEN!!! I usually manage to go 3-4 to 1 with it. But sometimes you end up against people that are just crazy good at fps gams and thats when the pain rolls in.
Edit: shotguns + lws = tears for the other guy. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:57:00 -
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Big miku wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:This whole thread makes no sense, the Scout Suit is a suit! No suit should have limitations outside of reason, just stats.
Scouts shouldn't be forced to use shotguns! Guy is just upset he is not a top tier scout yet and is blaming the game, not the player.
Lol, please shut THE HELL UP! You don't even know me and you're making quite a story how I am a trash player. I am simply throwing my opinion out there to fish in other people's opinions so I can think of different ideas. For some assclown like you to come in with all the answers just know your damn role.
BACK TO TOPIC! I get the we are the jab thing. That makes sense. As far as gun fighting go it seems like our only real gun people say to use is shotgun and sniper rifles why? They are most of the time 1 shots be it close or far. In most games requiring a light med heavy set up there is speed in MOVEMENT not just sprint. Add in faster strafes or extra jumps or something. |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:04:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Lol, please shut THE HELL UP! You don't even know me and you're making quite a story how I am a trash player. I am simply throwing my opinion out there to fish in other people's opinions so I can think of different ideas. For some assclown like you to come in with all the answers just know your damn role.
Don't be upset, Good scouts wipe and bad scouts, as you seem to be, don't. I never said you was a trash player broda, just not a top tier scout. Go ahead and scroll up. You be up here wahwahwah over you lack of skill as a scout. |
Kane Fyea
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:06:00 -
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I get killed by scouts with nova knives a lot. Try that. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:08:00 -
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Big miku wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Lol, please shut THE HELL UP! You don't even know me and you're making quite a story how I am a trash player. I am simply throwing my opinion out there to fish in other people's opinions so I can think of different ideas. For some assclown like you to come in with all the answers just know your damn role. Don't be upset, Good scouts wipe and bad scouts, as you seem to be, don't. I never said you was a trash player broda, just not a top tier scout. Go ahead and scroll up. You be up here wahwahwah over you lack of skill as a scout.
So because I am trying to get information from my Scout brothers or any experienced player that may know about Scout, this makes me a low tier scout? Whatever low tier high tier makes no difference to me this thread is for the purpose of mixing opinions into my equation to see what I can cook up. NOT for somebody to come in here and tell me to go to google. I am simply trying to get the Scouts in the community to be involved in a friendly conversation if this does not please you than you aren't forced to be apart of the conversation. That simple, lol. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:09:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:I get killed by scouts with nova knives a lot. Try that.
Thanks for advice! Back on topic! Is this because you are a heavy and you're too slow to get away from knife beserker? What makes this tactic work well against you, why? |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:13:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:So because I am trying to get information from my Scout brothers or any experienced player that may know about Scout, this makes me a low tier scout? Whatever low tier high tier makes no difference to me this thread is for the purpose of mixing opinions into my equation to see what I can cook up. NOT for somebody to come in here and tell me to go to google. I am simply trying to get the Scouts in the community to be involved in a friendly conversation if this does not please you than you aren't forced to be apart of the conversation. That simple, lol.
I was just enlightening you as to the fault in your reasoning. Scouts are made for Scouting primarily. good scouts can slayslay niggas cold all day erryday, if you can't do that yet, then you're just not a slayslay. Sticking to doing scout things and practice the dakka and one day you'll be as hardcore as them OG beast scouts. Look, I don't mean any offense broda. Just going from my experience as an HMG against Good scouts. I shoot them and they split in like a second flat outta my los or range and peck me with ARs or Lasers. |
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Monty Mole Clone
The c64s
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:15:00 -
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got 27 kills with this the other day
militia scout suit militia shotgun Nova Knives Basic precision enhancer Militia profile damp
and im garbage, but with all my skills in stealth and scanning i get a very nice advantage over other people. for me a sniper rifle is wasted on something so fast, agile and stealthy. think of yourself more like a surgeon, a shotgun surgeon
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:17:00 -
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Big miku wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:So because I am trying to get information from my Scout brothers or any experienced player that may know about Scout, this makes me a low tier scout? Whatever low tier high tier makes no difference to me this thread is for the purpose of mixing opinions into my equation to see what I can cook up. NOT for somebody to come in here and tell me to go to google. I am simply trying to get the Scouts in the community to be involved in a friendly conversation if this does not please you than you aren't forced to be apart of the conversation. That simple, lol. I was just enlightening you as to the fault in your reasoning. Scouts are made for Scouting primarily. good scouts can slayslay niggas cold all day erryday, if you can't do that yet, then you're just not a slayslay. Sticking to doing scout things and practice the dakka and one day you'll be as hardcore as them OG beast scouts. Look, I don't mean any offense broda. Just going from my experience as an HMG against Good scouts. I shoot them and they split in like a second flat outta my los or range and peck me with ARs or Lasers.
Care to name some beast OG scouts? Could you maybe have some come in here and give a small paragraph or so with good advice how to play it correctly? Or what exactly is the Scouts sole purpose in the game?
Sorry than for the mean words. I thought you were being a egotistical moron coming in to completely knock the thread off topic. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:18:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:got 27 kills with this the other day militia scout suit militia shotgun Nova Knives Basic precision enhancer Militia profile damp and im garbage, but with all my skills in stealth and scanning i get a very nice advantage over other people. for me a sniper rifle is wasted on something so fast, agile and stealthy. think of yourself more like a surgeon, a shotgun surgeon
So for the little scanner thingy can you just spam it? or is there cool down? How exactly does it work? I just kinda wanna know what I am getting into before putting skills into it while adding conversation toward the topic for other Scouts or anybody who has these same questions. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:18:00 -
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What is the logi's sole purpose in the game? What is the LAV's sole purpose in the game? What is the dropship's sole purpose in the game?
And do you mean SG scouts?
The scout has no sole purpose... |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
201
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:19:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:got 27 kills with this the other day militia scout suit militia shotgun Nova Knives Basic precision enhancer Militia profile damp and im garbage, but with all my skills in stealth and scanning i get a very nice advantage over other people. for me a sniper rifle is wasted on something so fast, agile and stealthy. think of yourself more like a surgeon, a shotgun surgeon So for the little scanner thingy can you just spam it? or is there cool down? How exactly does it work? I just kinda wanna know what I am getting into before putting skills into it while adding conversation toward the topic for other Scouts or anybody who has these same questions.
The scanner is passive. The active ones are on vehicles. And people don't really know precisely how it works yet. You have to mess with it yourself, but I"m pretty sure it corresponds to the V on your tacnet, although a few disagree with me on that. |
Monty Mole Clone
The c64s
10
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:21:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:got 27 kills with this the other day militia scout suit militia shotgun Nova Knives Basic precision enhancer Militia profile damp and im garbage, but with all my skills in stealth and scanning i get a very nice advantage over other people. for me a sniper rifle is wasted on something so fast, agile and stealthy. think of yourself more like a surgeon, a shotgun surgeon So for the little scanner thingy can you just spam it? or is there cool down? How exactly does it work? I just kinda wanna know what I am getting into before putting skills into it while adding conversation toward the topic for other Scouts or anybody who has these same questions.
its passive, it increases your base scan strength |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:21:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:got 27 kills with this the other day militia scout suit militia shotgun Nova Knives Basic precision enhancer Militia profile damp and im garbage, but with all my skills in stealth and scanning i get a very nice advantage over other people. for me a sniper rifle is wasted on something so fast, agile and stealthy. think of yourself more like a surgeon, a shotgun surgeon So for the little scanner thingy can you just spam it? or is there cool down? How exactly does it work? I just kinda wanna know what I am getting into before putting skills into it while adding conversation toward the topic for other Scouts or anybody who has these same questions. The scanner is passive. The active ones are on vehicles. And people don't really know precisely how it works yet. You have to mess with it yourself, but I"m pretty sure it corresponds to the V on your tacnet, although a few disagree with me on that.
Hmm so it's kind of like MAG's little cloak thing? I jus need it equipped and it will pick up people close to me? |
Big miku
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:22:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Care to name some beast OG scouts? Could you maybe have some come in here and give a small paragraph or so with good advice how to play it correctly? Or what exactly is the Scouts sole purpose in the game?
Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane from STB wreck wherever they are. My Broda Obi from IE is quickly becoming too scary for me.
I've ran into a few that have killed me consistently with LRs from range. Cannot recall their names as I have not encountered them often. |
Monty Mole Clone
The c64s
10
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:22:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:got 27 kills with this the other day militia scout suit militia shotgun Nova Knives Basic precision enhancer Militia profile damp and im garbage, but with all my skills in stealth and scanning i get a very nice advantage over other people. for me a sniper rifle is wasted on something so fast, agile and stealthy. think of yourself more like a surgeon, a shotgun surgeon So for the little scanner thingy can you just spam it? or is there cool down? How exactly does it work? I just kinda wanna know what I am getting into before putting skills into it while adding conversation toward the topic for other Scouts or anybody who has these same questions. The scanner is passive. The active ones are on vehicles. And people don't really know precisely how it works yet. You have to mess with it yourself, but I"m pretty sure it corresponds to the V on your tacnet, although a few disagree with me on that.
im going to have to say its a 360 degree sphere the V on your scanner is your FOV i think which incase you have not noticed is not very good and very exploitable |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:23:00 -
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Big miku wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Care to name some beast OG scouts? Could you maybe have some come in here and give a small paragraph or so with good advice how to play it correctly? Or what exactly is the Scouts sole purpose in the game? Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane from STB wreck wherever they are. My Broda Obi from IE is quickly becoming too scary for me. I've ran into a few that have killed me consistently with LRs from range. Cannot recall their names as I have not encountered them often.
Don't they use shotguns though? I am kinda trying to test the waters outside of shotgun. Although I will get into it if it truly is their best weapon. |
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