Don't they use shotguns though? I am kinda trying to test the waters outside of shotgun. Although I will get into it if it truly is their best weapon.

Well, IMO, if you are a logi, sniper, or scout going for KDR, you are doing it wrong. that doesn't mean you can't get a bunch of kills and still be doing your job, but it means support roles are just that.

as a scout, again IMO, they are best when working with their team to flank, or otherwise take the enemy by surprise. Hack/guard objectives by using your small frame/scan profile to hide. Use weapons that don't use direct hits. Mass drivers not only disorient, but if you're using it right, they won't even see where the shots are coming from.

if you want to play as a light assault, go ahead, but the Assault suit will generally be better for that.

Can we please call us something else? CQC Specialists? Shotgun berserkers? We should not be called Scouts. We can't really mark anything for a period of time without risking our head being sniped off. We can't gun fight against proto stacked dmg mod suits we are too squishy. We can't fight Heavy at all we can SOMETIME take on crappy Assault proto dmg mod build but not top players. Only thing people ever tell me we are good for is speed and shotgun.


So I am thinking lets stop making them sound cool with a name like Scout and just call them Shotgunner. We should not be able to use nothing but SMG, shotgun, and Sniper rifle. Give us something that is worth having. Fast shields means nothing when dmg mod rips through them with a few shots. It is not hard to land a few bullets enough to tear away a shield. Can I get some strafe speed? more jumps? more shields? SOMETHING worth making a Scout unique in fights? Assault is balanced they have it all Heavy is armor with a killer "underpowered" sniper rifle that has 300+ with "a over heat"


Scouts have faster shield regen assuming the enemy can't shoot it all gone than you gotta stack regs to make it come back a few seconds faster than normal but still have to wait that is no advantage at all. So either give us something that makes us cool or just allow us to only use Shotgun and sniper rifles.

Scouts are only as effective as you can use them. And definitely not a viable option with shotguns. My fit is a Valor Scout suit, with a Charge Snipper Riffle, Militia SMG BPO, Milita Locus BPO, Militia Shield Extender BPO, Militia Kinetic Catalyzer BPO, Militia Armor Rep BPO, and a Militia Rep tool BPO (luckily I bought it in the first weeks of Open Beta, before the catastrophic price jump). It isn't uncommon for me to be the top ranked player on my team with this fit.

Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane from STB wreck wherever they are.
My Broda Obi from IE is quickly becoming too scary for me.

I've ran into a few that have killed me consistently with LRs from range. Cannot recall their names as I have not encountered them often.

Not a viable option with shotguns? Speed is everything with a shotty, and last week I spazzed out so hard a guy mailed me to ask how my tank was fitted.

The three-step secret to good shotgunning is a mouse, situational awareness and enough sense to not run at the inevitable putta-putta-putta AR meat grinder happening in the middle of the map. I got two out of three. Third is so hard to resist~

So I am supposed to run around and use some kind of scanner for my team? This is my purpose on a team? I am not sure how to use those things I will try them out though if this is my job I think redline sniping sounds a bit more fun of a job than hiding in holes and turning on my little scanner and going back to sleep till I feel the need to scan again.

In ambush shotgun scout is bad, in skirmish is really usefull

1) Don't run/jump in close corners if you are trying to sneak.
2) I think tactical assault rifles/lasers may be underestimated for scouts.
3) Dropping uplinks/ reviving behind enemy lines.
4) You can get a 35m+ detection on your dropsuit for under 150k SP and even better with a little more. That's outside of the optimal ranges of a lot of guns.
5) Like the logi, you aren't made to fight solo most of the time.


Everyone is so KILL obsessed. Assaults ARE the damage dealer. Everyone else IS a suboptimal DPSer. Which is okay right now, but I'm really thinking that there will be many more elements to battlefield dynamics than just putting damage on target. Killing with your primary weapon is just ONE way to get warpoints, and killing the enemy clones is arguably the lesser of the two ways you can win a skirmish match.

If there might be a bonus that hasn't been thought of yet, it might be the ability to call in vehicles more quickly. If the scout's queue was 5 seconds vs. 15 that might be nice.

scouts are free points for my mass driver speed is useless against splash damage

TL;DR scouts have no purpose on the battle field but to die and be a mild annoyance like the experimental snipers of last build.

but thats the problem there is nothing a scout can do but kill poorly. or mildly annoy a team with a SG or sniper. Anything a scout can do an assault with the proper mods can do better with less skill points. logis at least have the extra equipment slots and can be very dynamically fitted to serve many support roles, while scouts can move marginally faster when not sprinting. now if we had the old speeds we could actually scout we could harass and distract, we could defend our selves, not fear open ground so bad because we could get out of range before being killed and actually dodge lavs with out having to time it perfectly. I mean we can spend a heavies worth of sp into being the most bad ass ninja hacker but if any one is on the point that point is moot. With an assault I can do the same thing and clear the point, and survive if I am shot while hacking kill the guy and keep hacking, next to ******* impossible in a scout.

scouts are free points for my mass driver speed is useless against splash damage

Speed? Yeah. Shotgun or SMG to the back of your head? Not so useless. Not being seen until I'm behind you because of decent stealth-tanking? Also not so useless.

your profile dampening is not so useful in a game full of open fields and choke points. just because you are not on the minimap does not mean you are invisible. the speed difference between scout, assault type 2 and logi type 2 is only minor anyway.

I'm not arguing against your point about speed.

I'm pointing out that speed ISN'T the only reason a good Scout isn't an easy target.

And while those advantages aren't as good on every map, when a good Scout plays to their strengths, your Mass Driver doesn't always save you. Just like your Mass Driver's strengths can counter a Scout if you're taking advantage of them correctly.

lol use remote explosives on heavys and duck dip duck dive and dodge. you should not really be able to take a position from a heavy hes ment to be a brick wall.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=591937

this scout does decent.

Scouts scout, they run fast and have small scan profiles. Not every suit is made to be a pure bad ass killer clown. You can't have it all. Imo scouts are just as much a support role as the Logi, you can get to places fast, throw down uplinks or RE things and do other scouty things.

I roll Heavy and give up a lot, you roll scout and give up a lot. Good scouts can get up on someone, kill them and be gone in a few seconds.