People are never going to agree over the SP cap and ways to stop SP farming like AFK players etc, so why not remove SP all together?

My idea is the same as most others who have talked of similar and that's that you start off with the basic weapons in game and play to unlock new versions by using the item.

Lets say you have assault rifle level 1, to get to level 2 you need say 100 points, an assist using the AR gives say 0.5 points, a kill gives 1 point and a headshot gives 1.5.

Cardio modules etc, every use gives 0.5 points, using for longer duration gives 1 point. each time.

The current system is like a soldier joining the army, training to do first aid but deciding he wants to turn that skill into marksmanship, or he's trained as an explosives expert but decides he wants to use his skills to become a tank driver..... It wouldn't happen like that in life so why allow it in game?

Fact is, you use a gun often, you become better at it over time. If you drive a tank, you become better over time.

You do not however drive a tank for 10yrs and suddenly become awesome at sniping as a result.

I've been asking simply to get what I earn, this is a fairer more balanced way to progress.

Using this method it means you can keep boosters as the active ones give a 0.5 bonus to every action performed in game, passive boosters are applied to a skill and stay on that skill until you either change it or the skill hits max (lvl5). Passive would give say 0.5 points every 1.5 or 2 seconds instead of the current 1 SP. This eliminates people simply buying passive boosters for free points when they're out doing whatever, they'll still need to work to earn most of the unlocks (upgrades)

That... that actually makes sense. I do think there is still a place for Skill Points, though.

So you really want CCP to completely dismiss one of the most major components of the game? This is the new most stupid suggestion ever on this forum.

Did EvE rely on SP points to progress? Last I checked EvE was a pretty popular game.

If you read the thread instead of just the title you'd perhaps have a little more input to give.

You say that in the military you could not change position/professions at will, but this is not the military, nor are we soldiers, we are mercenaries.

We don't have rules like armies do, we can just bring a tank into battle if we've got the isk for it, just like real life mercenaries can drive a black armored suburban, not a humvee.

They can also purchase top of the line equipment, unlike the military where every man is entitled to an m16A5 and standard infantry gear, a mercenary can go out and purchase an AUG Steyr if they should so choose.

To add to that - your comments about it not relating to real life learning processes are irrelevant because the way it is posited in the Eve universe is that you purchase skills and implant them into your brain/body - this is why you have to spend isk on skill books. Mercs gain SP over time like it's another form of currency that you can spend on whatever skills you want - it's not the same as experience points in games like Skyrim (which is the system you seem to be describing).

I said this,

"What I am saying is leveling up a skill through experience would not cost SP, but opening a new skill tree would."

Wouldn't that be the reasonable use of SP according to the Eve universe? I just don't see how using an assault rifle for the majority of the time spent playing would result in a person learning how to fly the most high tech dropship. But if somehow by the Eve Universe skill acts as a pool, I stand corrected.

The strongest argument for this suggestion is the "if I spend my whole life driving cars, I can't be good at painting" theory. That is, specialising in one area should not contribute to the mastery of another.

The argument against is the fact that we are not exactly mortal humans in this universe. Death is obsolete, consciousness can be transferred. To possess such control over consciousness in New Eden must mean we can alter it, too. Hence, skill books. In this universe, skills, which are basically unique patterns of connections of neurons in your brain, can be taught through books because our capacity to learn is infinite and malleable; you aren't ageing.

Besides, the freedom it gives us as players is refreshing.

And furthermore, the proposed system of becoming proficient at certain equipment by using it can still lead to a huge gap between newbies and veterans; something that all MMORPGs have, but FPS' cannot let get out of hand.

So either way, there will still be need to have some kind of restriction, or else none at all.

People are never going to agree over the SP cap and ways to stop SP farming like AFK players etc, so why not remove SP all together?

My idea is the same as most others who have talked of similar and that's that you start off with the basic weapons in game and play to unlock new versions by using the item.

Lets say you have assault rifle level 1, to get to level 2 you need say 100 points, an assist using the AR gives say 0.5 points, a kill gives 1 point and a headshot gives 1.5.

Cardio modules etc, every use gives 0.5 points, using for longer duration gives 1 point. each time.

The current system is like a soldier joining the army, training to do first aid but deciding he wants to turn that skill into marksmanship, or he's trained as an explosives expert but decides he wants to use his skills to become a tank driver..... It wouldn't happen like that in life so why allow it in game?

Fact is, you use a gun often, you become better at it over time. If you drive a tank, you become better over time.

You do not however drive a tank for 10yrs and suddenly become awesome at sniping as a result.

I've been asking simply to get what I earn, this is a fairer more balanced way to progress.

Using this method it means you can keep boosters as the active ones give a 0.5 bonus to every action performed in game, passive boosters are applied to a skill and stay on that skill until you either change it or the skill hits max (lvl5). Passive would give say 0.5 points every 1.5 or 2 seconds instead of the current 1 SP. This eliminates people simply buying passive boosters for free points when they're out doing whatever, they'll still need to work to earn most of the unlocks (upgrades)

So you really want CCP to completely dismiss one of the most major components of the game? This is the new most stupid suggestion ever on this forum.

Did EvE rely on SP points to progress? Last I checked EvE was a pretty popular game.

If you read the thread instead of just the title you'd perhaps have a little more input to give.

The SP system makes the game

My problem's not with the SP system but rather the fact they limit the amount of SP you can earn, if they want to limit the SP then why not take it away and change the method in which you gain skills since there clearly seems to be an issue with the amount of SP people can earn.

If you read threads on SP caps there is often a group who are happy to simply accept whatever the game becomes regardless of whether it's good or bad, then the people who have an alternative idea of how things should be done.

What I'm offering is an alternative to the current SP setup and looking for input. Im not asking people to accept what I'm proposing as the only way forward, but rather trying to highlight the flaws in the current setup and find ways in which it can be fixed.

I want to know that when I log into the game my success or failure on the battlefield matters, currently if I play well I'm given SP to spend on making my merc better, if I do badly then I get less. After a day or so it doesn't matter because no matter what I do I'm given 1000SP which I feel is wrong.

Rather than push for the removal of the cap which for some reason people seem to enjoy, I'm offering something which gives constant progression.

As it stands the game is only worth playing from at the weekend as once this is done the cap kicks in and the rest of the time you cannot improve your merc.

People are never going to agree over the SP cap and ways to stop SP farming like AFK players etc, so why not remove SP all together?

My idea is the same as most others who have talked of similar and that's that you start off with the basic weapons in game and play to unlock new versions by using the item.

Lets say you have assault rifle level 1, to get to level 2 you need say 100 points, an assist using the AR gives say 0.5 points, a kill gives 1 point and a headshot gives 1.5.

Cardio modules etc, every use gives 0.5 points, using for longer duration gives 1 point. each time.

The current system is like a soldier joining the army, training to do first aid but deciding he wants to turn that skill into marksmanship, or he's trained as an explosives expert but decides he wants to use his skills to become a tank driver..... It wouldn't happen like that in life so why allow it in game?

Fact is, you use a gun often, you become better at it over time. If you drive a tank, you become better over time.

You do not however drive a tank for 10yrs and suddenly become awesome at sniping as a result.

I've been asking simply to get what I earn, this is a fairer more balanced way to progress.

Using this method it means you can keep boosters as the active ones give a 0.5 bonus to every action performed in game, passive boosters are applied to a skill and stay on that skill until you either change it or the skill hits max (lvl5). Passive would give say 0.5 points every 1.5 or 2 seconds instead of the current 1 SP. This eliminates people simply buying passive boosters for free points when they're out doing whatever, they'll still need to work to earn most of the unlocks (upgrades)

So you really want CCP to completely dismiss one of the most major components of the game? This is the new most stupid suggestion ever on this forum.