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Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:53:00 - [1] - Quote Sad to see the proto is easy to aquire now. There will no longer be fear in seeing a black suit, no excitment in destroying them and worst of all no satisfaction in "earning" one. I tip my hat to all those who have ligitimatly earned your right to use them so far, be proud to say you were the orginal protobears because now games will be crowded with pay to win VK0's. I speak for all of us when i say, we are stripped of our scence of pride for achiving in Dust 514 :(
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 52	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:54:00 - [2] - Quote well some of us have officer suits
BL4CK FRIAR Defiant Kelkoons 17	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:55:00 - [3] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Sad to see the proto is easy to aquire now. There will no longer be fear in seeing a black suit, no excitment in destroying them and worst of all no satisfaction in "earning" one. I tip my hat to all those who have ligitimatly earned your right to use them so far, be proud to say you were the orginal protobears because now games will be crowded with pay to win VK0's. I speak for all of us when i say, we are stripped of our scence of pride for achiving in Dust 514 :( I couldnt agree more. This is pay to win no doubt about that.
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 136	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:59:00 - [4] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: well some of us have officer suits You guys earned them in the dust testers tournement. Thats okay
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 436	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:02:00 - [5] - Quote only the vk.0 is AUR the vk.1 is still isk/sp the vk.0 is just a B suit with expanded pg/cpu you still have to get the "best suit" with isk/sp the vk.0 aurum suit is second best on paper
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 136	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:04:00 - [6] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: only the vk.0 is AUR the vk.1 is still isk/sp the vk.0 is just a B suit with expanded pg/cpu you still have to get the "best suit" with isk/sp the vk.0 aurum suit is second best on paper it is JUST the second best in the entire game. not a strong argument
Don Von Hulio UnReaL. 90	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:08:00 - [7] - Quote Ya it is kind of a bummer right now, maybe they will take them off after awhile, or not. Id rather them waist their AUR on temporary equips instead of boosters. And we all know how the game shows went, those people had Proto suits, AND maxed skills. Im not worried, and anyone else in UnReaL shouldnt be worried, we are good enough as it is and a few scrubs running around with proto suits isnt going to change much... might get some more colorful hate mail but thats about it. This isnt even the worst of it though. Sometime in the future you will be able to buy entire Skill Clusters.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 256	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:14:00 - [8] - Quote The Protobear is no longer an endangered species.
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:16:00 - [9] - Quote Type-I > A-Series > vK.0 Type-II > B-Series > vK.1 That's the linear progression of suits. TBH, while I agree with the consensus that it should be a lvl 4 skill to get AUR protosuits, I really don't care if somebody wants to spend AUR on suits, because that is a more permanent loss that some ISK you can grind out of pubs every time you die.
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 136	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:19:00 - [10] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: Ya it is kind of a bummer right now, maybe they will take them off after awhile, or not. Id rather them waist their AUR on temporary equips instead of boosters. And we all know how the game shows went, those people had Proto suits, AND maxed skills. Im not worried, and anyone else in UnReaL shouldnt be worried, we are good enough as it is and a few scrubs running around with proto suits isnt going to change much... might get some more colorful hate mail but thats about it. This isnt even the worst of it though. Sometime in the future you will be able to buy entire Skill Clusters. I dont care if it helps people combat us or not, thats not what this thread is about. It sucks that this is in the game

ReGnYuM LEGENDof DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:20:00 - [11] - Quote Threads like this stood for something, Dust History Well it is a shame However look at the bright side, at least we will be making more $_$ and now everyone ca be a Protobear I am not a Endangered species anymore Cheers
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1596	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:23:00 - [12] - Quote Wait until the market opens and you get to sell those things for millions of ISK a piece.
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 52	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:29:00 - [13] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: Ya it is kind of a bummer right now, maybe they will take them off after awhile, or not. Id rather them waist their AUR on temporary equips instead of boosters. And we all know how the game shows went, those people had Proto suits, AND maxed skills. Im not worried, and anyone else in UnReaL shouldnt be worried, we are good enough as it is and a few scrubs running around with proto suits isnt going to change much... might get some more colorful hate mail but thats about it. This isnt even the worst of it though. Sometime in the future you will be able to buy entire Skill Clusters. Maybe now since everybody can use proto suits you'll actually corp battle the imperfects.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 436	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:33:00 - [14] - Quote the guy who grinds for the suit is going to be a better player at the game than the guy who buys aurum because he actually played more, so i dont see what the big deal is, the bad players are given a chance to buy with real money because they lost too many and can't afford the isk ones, but is not like that vk.0 aurum suit is going to carry them thru their match
XXfootnoteXX ZionTCD Legacy Rising 77	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:36:00 - [15] - Quote So you only need to be L3 to get a L5 suit? Not sure how I feel about that. I Have no issues with paying to get one level up... but to get two levels up that is a bit too much in my own opinion.
Enkidu Camuel Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:46:00 - [16] - Quote I agree with most people here to move the requested level to 4 instead of 3... it's way too easy to obtain, I have no problems by having a proto AUR suit but the required level is the main issue, but I have to say that it's a VK 0 suit after all... for me the VK 1 will be always the best and my goal is to get it.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 150	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:49:00 - [17] - Quote While protons helps it isn't insta win You still gotta have skill So I don't see p2w here more like Pfa Pay for advantage
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:50:00 - [18] - Quote having actually earned my protobear suit; this does kind of suck. Granted it was fun killing some people today wearing them, so ehh. However, don't knock the Vk.0 ; as it can be deadly if used in right situation
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1596	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:52:00 - [19] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: While protons helps it isn't insta win You still gotta have skill So I don't see p2w here more like Pfa Pay for advantage Actually it's not pay-for-advantage. It's pay-to-have-it-sooner-even-though-you-will-eventually-get-to-level-5-suit-anyways-which-then-makes-your-aurum-proto-pointless-to-own.
From Costa Rica Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 66	Posted - 2013.02.27 05:10:00 - [20] - Quote if its basen on skill i does need ot be lvl 4 to use proto, since we have to be lvl 5. Also, they are too cheap, even the isk ones, CCP make everything expensive again, if you have the original 4 militia suits, you will need no safe neet for you expenses.

The2 Holgg BetaMax Beta 47	Posted - 2013.02.27 05:12:00 - [21] - Quote Now lets say you die on average twice per game. You play 3 games a day. How you die can be anything from Tactical strikes, shotgun to the face, Remote explosive, you get the drift. what you get is: 2(you die)3(number of games)7(one week)4(month)+12(the days you miss in a full month) = 180(Proto's)160(AUR price) Total of 28800 AUR per month. I am more happy to put my points in to boosters. Am here for the long run.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 151	Posted - 2013.02.27 05:20:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: While protons helps it isn't insta win You still gotta have skill So I don't see p2w here more like Pfa Pay for advantage Actually it's not pay-for-advantage. It's pay-to-have-it-sooner-even-though-you-will-eventually-get-to-level-5-suit-anyways-which-then-makes-your-aurum-proto-pointless-to-own. Pretty much what I was thinkin But its late and I'm too tired to get trolled so I went with a more subtle approach
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 60	Posted - 2013.02.27 05:36:00 - [23] - Quote If that proto suit did more damage or had better stats than isk variant of the same suit then it would be pay to win. Otherwise, please stop calling it pay to win and get your SP quicker for your lvl 5 proto and enjoy the free game.
Nexus Tau Nox Aeterna Security 23	Posted - 2013.02.27 07:14:00 - [24] - Quote Actually, I think it's a good idea, I don't like going up to level 5 often, I know alot of people who don't.
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 140	Posted - 2013.02.27 07:15:00 - [25] - Quote Nexus Tau wrote: Actually, I think it's a good idea I don't like going up to level 5 often, I know alot of people who don't. Lol your crazy. Your suppose to progress not get everything right away
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 237	Posted - 2013.02.27 07:49:00 - [26] - Quote The2 Holgg wrote: Now lets say you die on average twice per game. You play 3 games a day. How you die can be anything from Tactical strikes, shotgun to the face, Remote explosive, you get the drift. what you get is: 2(you die)3(number of games)7(one week)4(month)+12(the days you miss in a full month) = 180(Proto's)160(AUR price) Total of 28800 AUR per month. I am more happy to put my points in to boosters. Am here for the long run. You sir speak the truth! +1 for good logic and a fine point! My hat is off to you sir
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 237	Posted - 2013.02.27 07:52:00 - [27] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Nexus Tau wrote: Actually, I think it's a good idea I don't like going up to level 5 often, I know alot of people who don't. Lol your crazy. Your suppose to progress not get everything right away Are you kidding? Man in a year or 2 people are going to buy a account if they want to get ahead with 0 effort. That is life. Its against CCP's rules and I am not condoning it but its going to happen. Get your head out of the sand. if anything this helps CCP get money instead of account traders and Chinese farmers, so I support it.
Chibi Andy Celtic Anarchy 38	Posted - 2013.02.27 07:52:00 - [28] - Quote well im going to do it the hard way and earn it the right way on the flip we get to kill those guys who have AUR bought suits and it will make you feel better that every time you kill one of them they actually lose real money
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 152	Posted - 2013.02.27 08:01:00 - [29] - Quote Paying for an advantage apparently isn't paying to win? I've played many Pay 2 Win games in my past, coming from free PC FPS games it was a very big thing... Let me tell you, in non of them did you simply buy an item with real money just to automatically get a "you win" message. Skill has always played a part in it, however, by paying real money you would gain a distinct advantage over other players who didn't. That's what made them pay to win. That being said, by making it so that people only need to get dropsuit to level 3 for prototype suits, they're saving about 2 million SP that could be spent in other areas instead... giving them quite an advantage over other players who are aiming for their prototype suits by reaching level 5. One level difference didn't bug me much, and especially since most skills don't have a multiplier of 12x.... However, with this it seems a bit lame. I have plenty of AUR to spend and could jump on the bandwagon but I feel I can still compete well enough in my B-series and have no problem waiting; however people claiming that pay for an advantage is not pay to win is confusing me and thought I would give my input on the subject. I'd rather put my point into boosters because bad players in proto suits are still manageable enough, and (at least today) I didn't run into too many prototype suits. Should be able to be in mine within a few days without having to spend a lot of AUR for it, and in my shield variant. :D
Gaechti BetaMax. 71	Posted - 2013.02.27 08:17:00 - [30] - Quote Does the AUR proto suit have 2 equipment slots? I remember it only having one a build ago...

Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.02.27 08:32:00 - [31] - Quote In 6 months it won't even matter.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 259	Posted - 2013.02.27 08:33:00 - [32] - Quote This is paying to negate spending well in excess of 1 million SP. I DO NOT approve. I will be buying 40, and I will use these 40 to grief as many newberries as possible in the hopes that their cries of anguish will perk up CCP's ears. To further this end, it's time to pull out those fused grenades.... >=D
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:24:00 - [33] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: In 6 months it won't even matter. This is true. I think my frustration with it is because at the moment, if you're properly spent you skill points, its unlikely that you'll have enough SP for a Proto suit at this time. Because of this, many of people in the tournament now feel obligated to buy these just to compete because the assumption is that the other side will do the same. This is an issue because at the moment, for most people, AUR is the only way to get a Proto suit. If CCP had done this 6 months down the line I would not mind at all...but right now those suits are Pay2Win I'm afraid. Honestly I almost want to feel like this is a opportunistic ploy by CCP to cash out of the current tournament by releasing these things right before the second half...but I was never one to cling to conspiracy theories.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1159	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:36:00 - [34] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Sad to see the proto is easy to aquire now. There will no longer be fear in seeing a black suit, no excitment in destroying them and worst of all no satisfaction in "earning" one. I tip my hat to all those who have ligitimatly earned your right to use them so far, be proud to say you were the orginal protobears because now games will be crowded with pay to win VK0's. I speak for all of us when i say, we are stripped of our scence of pride for achiving in Dust 514 :( Meh... in a month or so, everyone that started day one will run proto something in ISK. I'd say CCP's move could have been better in a week or two. So maybe a newbie could easily reach out to those suits and fill CCP's pocket. The idea of proto AUR suit aint stupid. But i agree with what i red before : Should be LVL 4. And probably should have been added a bit later.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 160	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:54:00 - [35] - Quote You guys make it sound like everyone has money to spend on games. Whilst this may be the case up above, down under I'm still slaying people with the ol' Exile in public matches, so it's all sunshine and unicorns down here.
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.27 09:58:00 - [36] - Quote maybe i should stop using militia fits and see what every one is talking about but im doing well in militia fits any way so im confused
Kalante Schiffer UnReaL. 183	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:13:00 - [37] - Quote i dont even have a b suit and i am already op as f*ck. i would use my balac but its rare and not worth using it on pubs
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 214	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:32:00 - [38] - Quote two levels early is too much, these should come at level 4 not three. Also again this all gets fixed with the release of the player market, but that said proto means nothing when you get at 3 thats just ******* stupid.
RHYTHMIK Designs BetaMax. 52	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:54:00 - [39] - Quote Its the age-old debate in the F2P world: Time vs. Money. Is everyone in an uproar because its now a proto suit available for AUR? Because there have been "Neo" A-Series suits on the market for a while, and I have not seen one complaint about those suits. Other than it should have been available at lvl 4, I don't seen anything wrong with it as it seems to keep in line with all of the other AUR items CCP has put on the market.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 290	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:12:00 - [40] - Quote Type-II > vk0. I would agree it's p2w if vk1's were AUR, but vk0's are garbage. If somebody wants to waste AUR on that crap suit, then so be it, but they can get owned 10x's over by a type-II, and 20x's over by a type-B. Armor based suits in this game are the red-headed step-child of Dust.

trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 167	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:17:00 - [41] - Quote Agree. I think I'll pause tank training at lvl 3 now, just in case... :)
Deluxe Edition Like a Boss. 51	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:08:00 - [42] - Quote I love the aur proto... I'm making 400k isk in ambush now :)
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:22:00 - [43] - Quote This thread reminds me of the QQ over people in high school that got a new car on their 16th birthday.


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