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Bruce3 Wayne3
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:20:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Most of the tanks i play against in ambush SUCK. I think most tanks do not want to waste isk in an ambush match. I heard that tanks are alot more expensive compared to other load outs, other than vehicles. I think that might be the reason these tanks suck.
well you can get a tank for 150k ISK ready to go thatll last a noob 5 mins or get a spec'd out tank for 500k-1mill ISK after 1mill + SP that SHOULD survive a while longer |
Alex Bradshaw
NEW AGE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:48:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why?
dont forget, a decent tank needs 1 million + ISK and 3 million SP. If someone has put the effort in to a decent tank, they deserve to use it. Most tanks I see are "paper tanks", and get destroyed very quickly with AV grenades or swarm launchers. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:51:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why?
Here's a thought,
The reason people see tanks in ambush is because they're more likely to survive since advanced and up AV is OP.
Why?
Because ambush is cqc.
Which means your squad members can eat anyone with AV plus random spawns.
In skirmish,
Tanks will struggle to survive,
AV can be used at full range, even from behind the redline.
Your squad can help you?
I don't think so. |
BobThe843CakeMan
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:56:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Why do i tank in ambush.
Well skirmish is boring for me now. OBs are easily gained there and as a shield tank my surviving is all luck based. And being a aggressive tanker I am always lower on health or have used my modules. The isk is poor for how long you play in a skirmish. Just no reason to play a gamemode where the only AV in it is Orbitals.
Why play ambush. I make more isk according to my time put in I can make 3 times that in ambush then it takes to do a single skirmish match. I just play to grind out my SP so ambush again is faster there. My skill at least counts for some what of a factor against AV in ambush. It is not oh we suck at AV so then the next step is for a team to drop the insta win OB.
But really the main thing that has destroyed my enjoy of skirmish is OBs have destroyed the aspect of shield tanking because tanks have been slightly over nerfed and with the buffs they did on OBs they have became able to destroy fully pimped out shield tanks. And the enemy team does not need to risk anything they just need to play the game. And the thing is once I have made my tank a assest on the field I can not interchange like infantry can at supply depos. No matter what there is always a enemy squad that gains a OB so it all comes down to luck if it is not called in on my tank. i have to agree with this so much. but i prefer ambush because well. It's more fun for me. Ambush is egh but i'll play it. |
mott royon
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:00:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why? Here's a thought, The reason people see tanks in ambush is because they're more likely to survive since advanced and up AV is OP. Why? Because ambush is cqc. Which means your squad members can eat anyone with AV plus random spawns. In skirmish, Tanks will struggle to survive, AV can be used at full range, even from behind the redline. Your squad can help you? I don't think so.
This. I was playing with YOUR NAME HERE last night on skirmish. We got them all the way back to the redline but they were to far away for us infantry to hit. So it became easier for there AV guys to take out his tank.
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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:07:00 -
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mott royon wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why? Here's a thought, The reason people see tanks in ambush is because they're more likely to survive since advanced and up AV is OP. Why? Because ambush is cqc. Which means your squad members can eat anyone with AV plus random spawns. In skirmish, Tanks will struggle to survive, AV can be used at full range, even from behind the redline. Your squad can help you? I don't think so. This. I was playing with YOUR NAME HERE last night on skirmish. We got them all the way back to the redline but they were to far away for us infantry to hit. So it became easier for there AV guys to take out his tank.
Lol and did I lose it in one ambush?
Nope, but first skirmish we played, of course. |
Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:40:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Snipers - hide on hill in the redline sniping and most likely will live for the entire game and not do much
Tanks - requires huge amounts of SP/ISK to full upgrade one and use it well even tho milita grade stuff is more than enough to destroy one and tend to go into the heat of battle and get **** done while dodging OB because that is instant death most of the time for a tank
Hm yea they really are the same thing
Philosophically, yes, they are. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... Just because a tanker pays more and spends more SP doesn't make them any less identical to redline snipers. Both are low-risk high-reward systems. Also if a decently speced tanker is getting destroyed by a militia tank, then they truly suck. Oh and ambush OB's are pretty few and far between, especially when playing against 100% solo players. >low risk >tanks
Are you ******* kidding me? Yes, tanks are low risk against infantry armed with assault rifle and such garbage, but if someone has grenadier above 2 or has adv. Swarms/Forge guns, it gets really high risk fast.
Have you ever even driven tank? Because obviously you haven't, otherwise you would understand the fact that losing a tank means you don't get any net ISK gain at the end of the match, and often it's a net loss.
And calling snipers low-risk means you don't understand the way the game works. Yeah, you may do well personally, but you'll lose the match if you can't cap objectives.
Just because something works in ambush most of the time doesn't mean it works anywhere else the rest of the time. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:42:00 -
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Delanus Turgias wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Snipers - hide on hill in the redline sniping and most likely will live for the entire game and not do much
Tanks - requires huge amounts of SP/ISK to full upgrade one and use it well even tho milita grade stuff is more than enough to destroy one and tend to go into the heat of battle and get **** done while dodging OB because that is instant death most of the time for a tank
Hm yea they really are the same thing
Philosophically, yes, they are. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... Just because a tanker pays more and spends more SP doesn't make them any less identical to redline snipers. Both are low-risk high-reward systems. Also if a decently speced tanker is getting destroyed by a militia tank, then they truly suck. Oh and ambush OB's are pretty few and far between, especially when playing against 100% solo players. >low risk >tanks Are you ******* kidding me? Yes, tanks are low risk against infantry armed with assault rifle and such garbage, but if someone has grenadier above 2 or has adv. Swarms/Forge guns, it gets really high risk fast. Have you ever even driven tank? Because obviously you haven't, otherwise you would understand the fact that losing a tank means you don't get any net ISK gain at the end of the match, and often it's a net loss. And calling snipers low-risk means you don't understand the way the game works. Yeah, you may do well personally, but you'll lose the match if you can't cap objectives. Just because something works in ambush most of the time doesn't mean it works anywhere else the rest of the time.
+1 and this. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:16:00 -
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People may have dedicated tank characters, all skill points on tanks. Considering that, can you blame them? Especially as tanks are far more vulnerable in ambushes. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:18:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:People may have dedicated tank characters, all skill points on tanks. Considering that, can you blame them? Especially as tanks are far more vulnerable in ambushes.
Less vulnerable.
Only vulnerable to AV grenades as I've found.
Skirmish is where you die in your tank.
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XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:46:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:this is pretty funny...
about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush"
and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users?
c'mon man:
how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons?
and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there? really seriously... it's fun once a day.
i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it.
if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other.
6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife.
Peace B Exactly, snipers and tankers are both cowards in their own way, thanks for the clarification Major respect to those who use guns in this game! (even the heavies! ) then why can't you use snipers and tanks if it's in the game? |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Look at it this way.
Do you expect a prototype heavy to outlast 3 GEK AR soldiers at range?
that would be Awesome |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:52:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:this is pretty funny...
about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush"
and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users?
c'mon man:
how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons?
and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there? really seriously... it's fun once a day.
i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it.
if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other.
6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife.
Peace B Exactly, snipers and tankers are both cowards in their own way, thanks for the clarification Major respect to those who use guns in this game! (even the heavies! ) then why can't you use snipers and tanks if it's in the game?
To the guy you quoted.
This is exactly why vehicles will be nerfed to hell and continue to suck.
Because most of the game are AR only and everything else must be cheap and easy so Nerf it.
Dusts direction makes me sick.
I'm just fine with a gun, would you like to test it out? Give me an LR AR or MD.
The end result will be the same as my tank.
Shame on you.
I'd like to see you try tank for a week then i'll accept it when you come back to me QQing. |
nakaya indigene
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.28 05:03:00 -
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so tank pilots that have put all their sp into tanks should not play ambush? UP YOURS ill do what I want |
Tribalfreak Baham
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 06:38:00 -
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I personally fear a skilled dropship pilot than a skilled tanker in ambush. I watched 2 dropships utterly dominate a match. But on to the topic at hand. why NOT allow tanks to be used. The game is all about freedom, if you have resources you can bring to the fight, then by all means, you should be able to use them. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 07:03:00 -
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Im not unsympathetic to this. But at the end of the day its about the sandbox and though it sucks now, eventually the tanks cant get any stronger and as you get wider and branch out from your specialty high end AV will become more prevalent and thus creating a check on tanks.
That said given the compressed size of some of the ambush maps and incredible amount of strain on frame rate there is no reason to consider reducing the vehicle limit to prevent tank spam to an uncontrollable level. It could also be a seperate vehicle limit for LAV, HAV and Dropship with a total vehicle limit still being 5 but only allow for a max of 5 LAVs, a max of 2 maybe 3 HAV and 2 Dropships max. Therefore the coding would allow a max of the particular vehicle type and no combination can exceed 5 vehicles total.
I know this is a restriction on the sandbox and perhaps the wrong suggestion but it may be the best way to balance ambush without affecting skirmish.
That or simply create a vehicle free variant of ambush and problem solved. I dont see why this couldnt exist, of course tankers will hate this idea as i could see an overwhelming majority playing here and therefore creating the only ambush matches tankers will find themselves against is other tankers and eager tank killing infantry. Which will for them be the same thing as banning tanks from ambush anyway since they arent going to risk their tanks like that. |
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