DUST Search - Tanks in ambush.

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

BASSMEANT wrote:

this is pretty funny...

about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush"

and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users?

c'mon man:

how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons?

and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there?
really seriously... it's fun once a day.

i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it.

if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other.

6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife.

Peace
B

Exactly, snipers and tankers are both cowards in their own way, thanks for the clarification Big smile

Major respect to those who use guns in this game! (even the heavies!

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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 289	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:03:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why?
Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:11:00 - [2] - Quote Only reason... they can And ppl can defend it... Rest is pointles (all QQ)
Gustaf McStrife Abnormalz. 2	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:13:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why? Hellstorm loves bringing out tanks in ambush...ask them why........
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 289	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:21:00 - [4] - Quote Gustaf McStrife wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why? Hellstorm loves bringing out tanks in ambush...ask them why........ Who exactly?
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 96	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:23:00 - [5] - Quote I drive HAVs because first person shooters are dumb and aircraft don't work yet. I play ambush because the SP/hr is better than skirmish. Ergo, I bring HAVs in on ambush. Fun fact: I don't have much better survivability in ambush than skirmish. The prime threat: someone with a forge gun in a place I can't see them, exists in either case!
Gustaf McStrife Abnormalz. 2	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:27:00 - [6] - Quote I'm not good with names but I think it was djin true blood... Not sure though and some other djin guys
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 110	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:38:00 - [7] - Quote this is pretty funny... about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush" and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users? c'mon man: how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons? and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there? really seriously... it's fun once a day. i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it. if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other. 6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife. Peace B
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 289	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:45:00 - [8] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: this is pretty funny... about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush" and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users? c'mon man: how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons? and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there? really seriously... it's fun once a day. i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it. if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other. 6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife. Peace B Exactly, snipers and tankers are both cowards in their own way, thanks for the clarification Major respect to those who use guns in this game! (even the heavies! )
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:53:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: this is pretty funny... about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush" and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users? c'mon man: how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons? and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there? really seriously... it's fun once a day. i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it. if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other. 6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife. Peace B Exactly, snipers and tankers are both cowards in their own way, thanks for the clarification Major respect to those who use guns in this game! (even the heavies! ) Snipers - hide on hill in the redline sniping and most likely will live for the entire game and not do much Tanks - requires huge amounts of SP/ISK to full upgrade one and use it well even tho milita grade stuff is more than enough to destroy one and tend to go into the heat of battle and get **** done while dodging OB because that is instant death most of the time for a tank Hm yea they really are the same thing
CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 22	Posted - 2013.02.26 12:59:00 - [10] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: this is pretty funny... about 3 threads down, there is a post "snipers are ruining ambush" and the op here is talking about insecurity with tank users? c'mon man: how insecure do you have to be to be one of the many snipers who hide and claim "it's not my job" when the squad is ordered to move and take the objective. hell half of these twinks don't even leave the red zone without a secret service escort and an extra box of tampons? and ambush is straight up codmode. who cares what goes on in there? really seriously... it's fun once a day. i'd say if you got it and you can use it, why not? if they have the money to blow through using tanks against casuals, let em do it. if it's all about insecurity then give everyone a swiss army knife and tell em to go to town on each other. 6 of em will still be trying to snipe from the mountain top with a swiss army knife. Peace B put perfectly my friend...

DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 289	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:07:00 - [11] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snipers - hide on hill in the redline sniping and most likely will live for the entire game and not do much Tanks - requires huge amounts of SP/ISK to full upgrade one and use it well even tho milita grade stuff is more than enough to destroy one and tend to go into the heat of battle and get **** done while dodging OB because that is instant death most of the time for a tank Hm yea they really are the same thing Philosophically, yes, they are. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... Just because a tanker pays more and spends more SP doesn't make them any less identical to redline snipers. Both are low-risk high-reward systems. Also if a decently speced tanker is getting destroyed by a militia tank, then they truly suck. Oh and ambush OB's are pretty few and far between, especially when playing against 100% solo players.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:16:00 - [12] - Quote How hard is it for most people to swap over to AV?
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:17:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snipers - hide on hill in the redline sniping and most likely will live for the entire game and not do much Tanks - requires huge amounts of SP/ISK to full upgrade one and use it well even tho milita grade stuff is more than enough to destroy one and tend to go into the heat of battle and get **** done while dodging OB because that is instant death most of the time for a tank Hm yea they really are the same thing Philosophically, yes, they are. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... Just because a tanker pays more and spends more SP doesn't make them any less identical to redline snipers. Both are low-risk high-reward systems. Also if a decently speced tanker is getting destroyed by a militia tank, then they truly suck. Oh and ambush OB's are pretty few and far between, especially when playing against 100% solo players. I was more on abuot a comparision in skirmish tbh In ambush i rarely see snipers and tanks are rare unless a 4man group joins and drops 3tanks like some clans do even then bust out the milita AV stuff and take it down quite easily
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:19:00 - [14] - Quote Look at it this way. Do you expect a prototype heavy to outlast 3 GEK AR soldiers at range?
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 197	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:24:00 - [15] - Quote I think a better question is why people use drop ships in ambush....
Thumb Green Starship Troppers 21	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:28:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How hard is it for most people to swap over to AV? In ambush? Not hard, just got to die first and then switch to your av suit and respawn on the opposite side of the map from the tank (or right in front of the tank, who knows.) and fight your way all the way to the tank in an ill suited fit for infantry combat. In oms you've got the option of the supply depot which makes things a heck of a lot easier but that's only if the tank is near the supply depot. With that said, lone tanks don't bother me a bit. It's the three tanks at a time that irks me. Even then that doesn't guarantee victory for the tanker's team; I was in a match the other night with the WarRavens on the enemy team and they called in a total of at least 5 tanks while keeping 3 on the field at a time. They still lost miserably and they weren't using militia tanks either.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 392	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:29:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Look at it this way. Do you expect a prototype heavy to outlast 3 GEK AR soldiers at range? A better example would be using a standard or militia Ar.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 392	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:39:00 - [18] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: I think a better question is why people use drop ships in ambush.... To scare the opposing team while screwing around
Chibi Andy Celtic Anarchy 38	Posted - 2013.02.26 13:46:00 - [19] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Tanks in skirmish I have no issue with as they were designed for that... but tanks in ambush? Are some players really that insecure? So what toothpick rooster players here bring tanks to ambush? And why? i know what you mean, like last night while playing a random ambush map with my corp we bump into Mr Gloo Gloo and his corp members from what the french and guess what? TANKS!!!!! not one not two but THREE TANKS!!! suffice to say, anywhere we spawn on the map we were subsequently gunned down before our screen even came out of the black screen. so basically before we can even see whats going on, we 're already dead. and then so the game just goes downhill for everyone else, no blue berries want to spawn in leaving a few people playing etc etc. one tank i can understand but 3 tanks? thats overkill
Travi Zyg G I A N T 13	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:32:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How hard is it for most people to swap over to AV? agreed, stop whining about tanks in whatever mode and take the time to spec. into some decent AV gear...lvl your grenadier or swarms a little on the side instead of being all "ohhhh theres a tank! , let me swap into my militia grade AV nades or swarm starter suit" and expect to destroy it. Theres a lack of laziness and dedication in this game for anyone to be more than a one trick pony. tanks can be stopped EASILY with the right Anti Armor loadouts and a little teamwork.

Bruce3 Wayne3 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 10	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:40:00 - [21] - Quote infantry > AV > HAV > infantry AV really hurts tanks, just as much as tanks hurt infantry
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:41:00 - [22] - Quote Different limits per vehicle type and per mode. I know there's a team vehicle quota but i'm not sure what it is. I'd say make it a limit of 4 tanks in Skirmish and 2 in Ambush.
Bruce3 Wayne3 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 10	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:44:00 - [23] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Snipers - hide on hill in the redline sniping and most likely will live for the entire game and not do much Tanks - requires huge amounts of SP/ISK to full upgrade one and use it well even tho milita grade stuff is more than enough to destroy one and tend to go into the heat of battle and get **** done while dodging OB because that is instant death most of the time for a tank Hm yea they really are the same thing Philosophically, yes, they are. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... Just because a tanker pays more and spends more SP doesn't make them any less identical to redline snipers. Both are low-risk high-reward systems. Also if a decently speced tanker is getting destroyed by a militia tank, then they truly suck. Oh and ambush OB's are pretty few and far between, especially when playing against 100% solo players. low risk high reward??? more high risk low reward since it takes 2-8 games to earn the ISK fot a HAV that can be killed easily by 3 enemies in a free default class. on skirmish tanks have safety of red zone when damaged but on ambush tanks only hav risk of AV spawnin with HAV in range, being in a HAV is as risky as being against a HAV
Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:45:00 - [24] - Quote Anks are more easily destroyed in ambush. When you consider the enemy can spawn where ever, with whatever. Tanks are way more at risk.
Bruce3 Wayne3 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 10	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:47:00 - [25] - Quote Yagihige wrote: Different limits per vehicle type and per mode. I know there's a team vehicle quota but i'm not sure what it is. I'd say make it a limit of 4 tanks in Skirmish and 2 in Ambush. its 5 tanks per team but its rare that all 5 survive since thats 10 players (on average 2 ppl per tank) so likely about 6-8 enemies are AV, thats more than enough to insta kill tanks
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.02.26 15:57:00 - [26] - Quote Bruce3 Wayne3 wrote: Yagihige wrote: Different limits per vehicle type and per mode. I know there's a team vehicle quota but i'm not sure what it is. I'd say make it a limit of 4 tanks in Skirmish and 2 in Ambush. its 5 tanks per team but its rare that all 5 survive since thats 10 players (on average 2 ppl per tank) so likely about 6-8 enemies are AV, thats more than enough to insta kill tanks Ok, good to know there's a specific limit just for HAVs. I had only reached the team quota for LAVs, though i didn't count and the most team HAVs i've seen in a battle was 4. Still, it seems there's no difference from Skirmish to Ambush and there is were i'd change something. 4 tanks in an Ambush (i've seen that) is a bit over the top. A lower team quota for Ambush would probably make sense, let's also not forget that most maps for that mode are a lot smaller.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 245	Posted - 2013.02.26 16:00:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How hard is it for most people to swap over to AV? In Ambush? lol, no one ever wants to be that guy who swaps to AV right as the tank gets destroyed and then ends up with a useless fit. It's pretty much like the bystander effect, everyone expects someone else to bring down the tank... so no one actually does. At most you'll usually see 2-3 guys go AV, but it's almost always militia and it barely even scrathes most good tankers. About tanks, if you bring out more than one, then you're trying to hard, at least in my opinion.
Bruce3 Wayne3 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 10	Posted - 2013.02.26 16:03:00 - [28] - Quote Yagihige wrote: Bruce3 Wayne3 wrote: Yagihige wrote: Different limits per vehicle type and per mode. I know there's a team vehicle quota but i'm not sure what it is. I'd say make it a limit of 4 tanks in Skirmish and 2 in Ambush. its 5 tanks per team but its rare that all 5 survive since thats 10 players (on average 2 ppl per tank) so likely about 6-8 enemies are AV, thats more than enough to insta kill tanks Ok, good to know there's a specific limit just for HAVs. I had only reached the team quota for LAVs, though i didn't count and the most team HAVs i've seen in a battle was 4. Still, it seems there's no difference from Skirmish to Ambush and there is were i'd change something. 4 tanks in an Ambush (i've seen that) is a bit over the top. A lower team quota for Ambush would probably make sense, let's also not forget that most maps for that mode are a lot smaller. ive seeen 5 tanks on ambush a few times but its rare and usually 2 or 3 are militia tanks, ive even seen 2 tanks fight 4 on the small rocky map, but way i see it is everythings gotta balance. more tanks on field means less infantry therefore allowing more AV which reduces tanks, then increases infantry to combat the AV troops... however many HAV drivers are known to rege quit after tanks get destroyed
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 297	Posted - 2013.02.26 16:06:00 - [29] - Quote Why do i tank in ambush. Well skirmish is boring for me now. OBs are easily gained there and as a shield tank my surviving is all luck based. And being a aggressive tanker I am always lower on health or have used my modules. The isk is poor for how long you play in a skirmish. Just no reason to play a gamemode where the only AV in it is Orbitals. Why play ambush. I make more isk according to my time put in I can make 3 times that in ambush then it takes to do a single skirmish match. I just play to grind out my SP so ambush again is faster there. My skill at least counts for some what of a factor against AV in ambush. But really the main thing that has destroyed my enjoy of skirmish is OBs have destroyed the aspect of shield tanking because tanks have been slightly over nerfed and with the buffs they did on OBs they have became able to destroy fully pimped out shield tanks. And the enemy team does not need to risk anything they just need to play the game. And the thing is once I have made my tank a assest on the field I can not interchange like infantry can at supply depos. No matter what there is always a enemy squad that gains a OB so it all comes down to luck if it is not called in on my tank.
General John Ripper Baltar Research 22	Posted - 2013.02.26 16:08:00 - [30] - Quote Most of the tanks i play against in ambush SUCK. I think most tanks do not want to waste isk in an ambush match. I heard that tanks are alot more expensive compared to other load outs, other than vehicles. I think that might be the reason these tanks suck.



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