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Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:37:00 -
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The HMG is getting ridiculous... they starting to get instant kills all the time now.
They kill me in 0.50 seconds all the time, and i running 305 hp shield, in my tier II assault suit. And trying to kill them from range doesn't work, because their range is starting to match my GEK too.
I been trying to stick to my assault dropsuit, but is starting to feel pointless at this point.
Troll as much as you want, but you know is true. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
384
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:41:00 -
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I lost a myron to one |
C20H25N30
Neko Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:52:00 -
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I won't lie it's annoying. Earlier today I got out ranged by a HMG who was essentially firing a laser at me. No I'm not exaggerating My light weapons range is lvl 4 not a big deal but I couldn't even hit him. Something just seems off. Broken maybe idk.
But try this Keep running around a piece of cover chasing him around next time. It's hilarious and you just keep on the HMG user is getting aggravated that he can't hit you |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
385
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:56:00 -
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The only problem is range to an extent. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.24 22:01:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:The only problem is range to an extent.
I been saying this^ for weeks...... now you going to listen ? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
385
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Posted - 2013.02.24 22:08:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:The only problem is range to an extent. I been saying this^ for weeks...... now you going to listen ? Because you made it serm as if it was a major problem |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.24 22:31:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:The only problem is range to an extent. I been saying this^ for weeks...... now you going to listen ? Because you made it serm as if it was a major problem
You may want to read this :
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59537
A "heated" argument i have a week ago, about "Recoil" and "Bullet Spread", which equals "Range". |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
385
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Posted - 2013.02.24 22:44:00 -
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It already haa major recoil, all it needs now is a bit more spread |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.02.24 23:21:00 -
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As with everything you think is OP, try it out and see what it does to your KDR!
If you can come back with a significantly improved KDR, we can have a constructive discussion.
DUST has a feature called rock/paper/scissors. Not everything can be attacked as if it were an AR. Everything can be defeated, but it may require a different tactic than you would use against another AR user.
So try it out and see what counters everyone else has learned. You will die in ways you didn't anticipate and you can then use those tactics against the weapon user you were having trouble with. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
63
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Posted - 2013.02.24 23:25:00 -
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man, just get some skill points, upgrade right skills and learn how to play
For assault: At start - each heavy guy is problem for you After 1 000 000 skill points - heavys is almost not problem, if you keep distance After 2 000 000 skill points - most of heavys is no problem After 3 000 000 skill points - most of them cry when meet you, except really skilled heavys, who really know why they choosed heavy class
Heavys is highly-specialized class. Yes it is beginner friendly class, but in the future most of them will regret about this choice and will change the way of upgrades.
Balance is good now. Close range - heavy have advantage, Long range - heavy is almost defenceless.
So use brain and dont cry on forum, nothing personal, just tired by cryers. |
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Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.24 23:29:00 -
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Skihids wrote:As with everything you think is OP, try it out and see what it does to your KDR!
If you can come back with a significantly improved KDR, we can have a constructive discussion.
DUST has a feature called rock/paper/scissors. Not everything can be attacked as if it were an AR. Everything can be defeated, but it may require a different tactic than you would use against another AR user.
So try it out and see what counters everyone else has learned. You will die in ways you didn't anticipate and you can then use those tactics against the weapon user you were having trouble with.
Do you guys even "read" things before you answer ?
I could use a heavy my self with a Forge gun.... true. But I USING AN ASSAULT DROPSUIT BECAUSE I WANT TOO!!
I shouldn't need to OP my self because IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME.
At this rate is going to be Heavies V's Heavies, with snipers trying to kill them from 5 miles away. Fun game huh?
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Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.24 23:40:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:man, just get some skill points, upgrade right skills and learn how to play
For assault: At start - each heavy guy is problem for you After 1 000 000 skill points - heavys is almost not problem, if you keep distance After 2 000 000 skill points - most of heavys is no problem After 3 000 000 skill points - most of them cry when meet you, except really skilled heavys, who really know why they choosed heavy class
Heavys is highly-specialized class. Yes it is beginner friendly class, but in the future most of them will regret about this choice and will change the way of upgrades.
Balance is good now. Close range - heavy have advantage, Long range - heavy is almost defenceless.
So use brain and dont cry on forum, nothing personal, just tired by cryers.
Another troll that can't read ..... "305 hp shield", "GEK", "Killing them at range"
Ohhh and btw i have nearly 2,000,000 SP, and heavies STILL are a problem. |
Bainlear Gorrilian
Infinite Ohmage
12
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Posted - 2013.02.25 03:58:00 -
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As a frequent Heavy Gunner, I would like to thank the original poster for being the easy kills in matches that felt otherwise hopeless, the walking freebies when I wished my gun could work as a shield. Without you, the times I slipped back to my exile rifle for the sheer joy of laying more waste than with the HMG would be far more frequent.
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Tidaen
Nova Corps Marines
21
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Posted - 2013.02.25 04:42:00 -
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If you are driving a Humvee do you expect to go head to head with a Abrams tank? Of course not. Dudes in assault suits need to get used to the fact that they can't expect to kill everything in front of them without having to think. If you are foolish/unlucky enough to be looking at the business end of an HMG then you deserve to take some damage. If you want to kill heavy suits then your best hope is avoiding them until you have surprise and positioning on your side. Which is totally fair in my opinion. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.02.25 04:47:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Another troll that can't read ..... "305 hp shield", "GEK", "Killing them at range"
Ohhh and btw i have nearly 2,000,000 SP, and heavies STILL are a problem. Then you're obviously doing it wrong. |
Hexen Trickster
The Southern Legion
10
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Posted - 2013.02.25 04:50:00 -
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I have a milita scout dropsuit I have a toxin SMG I have 1 armor plate in my lows I have 1 milita shield extender
HMG's are still easly beatable with a little skill know as 'not standing still' and 'not running face first into them' |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
63
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Posted - 2013.02.25 05:52:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:dalt ud wrote:man, just get some skill points, upgrade right skills and learn how to play
For assault: At start - each heavy guy is problem for you After 1 000 000 skill points - heavys is almost not problem, if you keep distance After 2 000 000 skill points - most of heavys is no problem After 3 000 000 skill points - most of them cry when meet you, except really skilled heavys, who really know why they choosed heavy class
Heavys is highly-specialized class. Yes it is beginner friendly class, but in the future most of them will regret about this choice and will change the way of upgrades.
Balance is good now. Close range - heavy have advantage, Long range - heavy is almost defenceless.
So use brain and dont cry on forum, nothing personal, just tired by cryers. Another troll that can't read ..... "305 hp shield", "GEK", "Killing them at range" Ohhh and btw i have nearly 2,000,000 SP, and heavies STILL are a problem.
i think, you used your SP for shields and armor. or something useless.. It is your mistake.
Or you just have no skill for shooters. Or both reasons.
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Jathniel
G I A N T
39
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Posted - 2013.02.25 06:17:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Another troll that can't read ..... "305 hp shield", "GEK", "Killing them at range"
Ohhh and btw i have nearly 2,000,000 SP, and heavies STILL are a problem.
...and this is supposed to translate into a heavy NOT killing you because...?
You are an assault, the easiest class to play, with an assault rifle, the easiest weapon to use. At low skill levels you are barely vulnerable, at high skill levels you are nearly unbeatable. Yes, the easiest class to play, when skilled up, is also the most powerful class to play.
You have speed comparable to a scout. You have shields and armor HP totals, that when leveled up, is on par with even mid-level heavies. Your assault rifle has next-to-nonexistent sway and kick. You have an instantaneously stone-statue-still ADS. Your assault rifle has dps so high that it doesn't matter if you're shooting a target that's beyond your already laughably far optimal range; if the bullets can touch that person, that person is dead. Your gun fires 2-3 bullets for the price of one, so it's actually a mini burst rifle automatically. (Go ahead and tap your trigger and see.) You can fire your gun indiscriminately without penalty. Your weapon does not overheat, you have no chance of accidentally blowing yourself up, and your clip is almost as long as an SMGs.
Quite honestly, with all that going for you... you have no business complaining about heavies dominating CQC, and snipers dominating LRC, because everything in-between belongs to you. You get pissed at a sniper, you run to his perch with a LAV or some other vehicle and kill him. You get pissed at a heavy, you shoot him across a field or at a distance down a corridor, and some of your kind can even beat heavies in CQC.
And the ONLY thing that seems to slow you guys down when you're travelling in packs, is a barrage of flux grenades. You have nothing to complain about, except the unreasonable nerf to the Breach and Tactical ARs.
So just bite the bullet, squad up with some of the more skilled assault players, and learn from them how to play your class; because honestly any kind of complaints coming from your kind, imho, is whining and tantamount to trolling. |
Balzich Rotaine
Rotaine Shipping Inc
17
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Posted - 2013.02.25 06:24:00 -
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They should just call it dust 514 paintball. Everyone wants whatever they don't frequently use nurf fed and everything they do use buffed. I think they should make all weapons have a 70% chance of exploding in your hands. That way the only thing people will be worried about is pulling their own trigger. The game is pretty balanced just leave it alone. |
Jathniel
G I A N T
39
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Posted - 2013.02.25 06:54:00 -
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Balzich Rotaine wrote:They should just call it dust 514 paintball. Everyone wants whatever they don't frequently use nurf fed and everything they do use buffed. I think they should make all weapons have a 70% chance of exploding in your hands. That way the only thing people will be worried about is pulling their own trigger. The game is pretty balanced just leave it alone.
Burns me up man. There are players that have playing the assault class down to an art form, yet here comes this OP looking for a nerf. And why? Not because he is interested in trying to balance the game, but because he felt he should have been invulnerable with his 300+ shield HP. lol
I swear, I just got trolled. |
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germanus chabe
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.02.25 06:55:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Another troll that can't read ..... "305 hp shield", "GEK", "Killing them at range"
Ohhh and btw i have nearly 2,000,000 SP, and heavies STILL are a problem. ...and this is supposed to translate into a heavy NOT killing you because...? You are an assault, the easiest class to play, with an assault rifle, the easiest weapon to use. At low skill levels you are barely vulnerable, at high skill levels you are nearly unbeatable. Yes, the easiest class to play, when skilled up, is also the most powerful class to play. You have speed comparable to a scout. You have shields and armor HP totals, that when leveled up, is on par with even mid-level heavies. Your assault rifle has next-to-nonexistent sway and kick. You have an instantaneously stone-statue-still ADS. Your assault rifle has dps so high that it doesn't matter if you're shooting a target that's beyond your already laughably far optimal range; if the bullets can touch that person, that person is dead. Your gun fires 2-3 bullets for the price of one, so it's actually a mini burst rifle automatically. (Go ahead and tap your trigger and see.) You can fire your gun indiscriminately without penalty. Your weapon does not overheat, you have no chance of accidentally blowing yourself up, and your clip is almost as long as an SMGs. Quite honestly, with all that going for you... you have no business complaining about heavies dominating CQC, and snipers dominating LRC, because everything in-between belongs to you. You get pissed at a sniper, you run to his perch with a LAV or some other vehicle and kill him. You get pissed at a heavy, you shoot him across a field or at a distance down a corridor, and some of your kind can even beat heavies in CQC. And the ONLY thing that seems to slow you guys down when you're travelling in packs, is a barrage of flux grenades. You have nothing to complain about, except the unreasonable nerf to the Breach and Tactical ARs. So just bite the bullet, squad up with some of the more skilled assault players, and learn from them how to play your class; because honestly any kind of complaints coming from your kind, imho, is whining and tantamount to trolling.
Couldn't agree more. I use an assault rifle, I even put an assault rifle on a type II heavy suit and run around with that occasionally. The snipers that are safe from me are also often useless or easy to avoid. If I catch a heavy off guard, even at close range I still have a decent chance of killing them. Scouts melt like butter to hip fire at close range. When my squad is moving together as a pack with multiple assault rifles only a tank or well coordinated enemy squad will slow us down.
My deaths are mistakes, not the result of game imbalances. I ran into too many enemies alone. I took the risk of facing down a heavy at close range. I stupidly chased a scout with a shotgun around a corner. |
Dont-hit-O-im-coming-to revive-you
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
0
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Posted - 2013.02.25 06:56:00 -
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Just make them turn slower |
Severus Smith
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
163
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Posted - 2013.02.25 09:06:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Another troll that can't read ..... "305 hp shield", "GEK", "Killing them at range"
Ohhh and btw i have nearly 2,000,000 SP, and heavies STILL are a problem. ...and this is supposed to translate into a heavy NOT killing you because...? You are an assault, the easiest class to play, with an assault rifle, the easiest weapon to use. At low skill levels you are barely vulnerable, at high skill levels you are nearly unbeatable. Yes, the easiest class to play, when skilled up, is also the most powerful class to play. You have speed comparable to a scout. You have shields and armor HP totals, that when leveled up, is on par with even mid-level heavies. Your assault rifle has next-to-nonexistent sway and kick. You have an instantaneously stone-statue-still ADS. Your assault rifle has dps so high that it doesn't matter if you're shooting a target that's beyond your already laughably far optimal range; if the bullets can touch that person, that person is dead. Your gun fires 2-3 bullets for the price of one, so it's actually a mini burst rifle automatically. (Go ahead and tap your trigger and see.) You can fire your gun indiscriminately without penalty. Your weapon does not overheat, you have no chance of accidentally blowing yourself up, and your clip is almost as long as an SMGs. Quite honestly, with all that going for you... you have no business complaining about heavies dominating CQC, and snipers dominating LRC, because everything in-between belongs to you. You get pissed at a sniper, you run to his perch with a LAV or some other vehicle and kill him. You get pissed at a heavy, you shoot him across a field or at a distance down a corridor, and some of your kind can even beat heavies in CQC. And the ONLY thing that seems to slow you guys down when you're travelling in packs, is a barrage of flux grenades. You have nothing to complain about, except the unreasonable nerf to the Breach and Tactical ARs. So just bite the bullet, squad up with some of the more skilled assault players, and learn from them how to play your class; because honestly any kind of complaints coming from your kind, imho, is whining and tantamount to trolling. This a million times.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
194
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Posted - 2013.02.25 09:33:00 -
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Dont-hit-O-im-coming-to revive-you wrote:Just make them turn slower
Just even more?
Ok. Then give them only vulnerable point at front ;) |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:24:00 -
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First ;
Panther Alpha wrote:Troll as much as you want, but you know is true.
Second ;
Every new guy i see now, plays assault for one battle, then starts a new character as a heavy, because they get vaporize by them almost instantly. ( True Story )
The HMG is a noob-cannon right now, and it takes no skills to use it what so ever.
Keep trolling.
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Thrillhouse Van Houten
Expert Intervention Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:30:00 -
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germanus chabe wrote:Couldn't agree more. I use an assault rifle, I even put an assault rifle on a type II heavy suit and run around with that occasionally. The snipers that are safe from me are also often useless or easy to avoid. If I catch a heavy off guard, even at close range I still have a decent chance of killing them. Scouts melt like butter to hip fire at close range. When my squad is moving together as a pack with multiple assault rifles only a tank or well coordinated enemy squad will slow us down.
My deaths are mistakes, not the result of game imbalances. I ran into too many enemies alone. I took the risk of facing down a heavy at close range. I stupidly chased a scout with a shotgun around a corner.
Also a grunt. Also feel that heavies are NOT imbalanced. Sometimes you feel like they just barely got you because you MUST have been at the edge of their range. Sometimes you thought they were further away or didn't think they had their spread narrowed yet. Most of the time, when I die because of a heavy I sure as hell know why. I was standing in a tsunami of bullets like an ape staring at a banana.
The only time a heavy chaps my ass enough to gripe is when one spawns 10m behind me. That basically applies to pretty much any class or dropsuit (except snipers, who I usually eat).
Also...I once chased a scout whom I watched plant something on the ground around a corner and was immediately blown to kingdom come by a "cleverly" planted remote explosive. I think of all the stupid deaths I've ever brought on myself, that one made me feel that least intelligent. |
Kazio De Vihura
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:30:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:The HMG is getting ridiculous... they starting to get instant kills all the time now. They kill me in 0.50 seconds all the time, and i running 305 hp shield, in my tier II assault suit. And trying to kill them from range doesn't work, because their range is starting to match my GEK too. I been trying to stick to my assault dropsuit, but is starting to feel pointless at this point. Troll as much as you want, but you know is true. I play4 days and I don't have problem with heavy(don't play one too slow for me) you don't stand in front of them or charge like leeming head on... |
Kazio De Vihura
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:36:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:The HMG is getting ridiculous... they starting to get instant kills all the time now. They kill me in 0.50 seconds all the time, and i running 305 hp shield, in my tier II assault suit. And trying to kill them from range doesn't work, because their range is starting to match my GEK too. I been trying to stick to my assault dropsuit, but is starting to feel pointless at this point. Troll as much as you want, but you know is true. You are at wrong range ? Use laser from 70m up or shot gun it the face and if you scout there is no chance they will kill you ass log you are not in front of them ,heavy turn too slow |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:46:00 -
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Kazio De Vihura wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:The HMG is getting ridiculous... they starting to get instant kills all the time now. They kill me in 0.50 seconds all the time, and i running 305 hp shield, in my tier II assault suit. And trying to kill them from range doesn't work, because their range is starting to match my GEK too. I been trying to stick to my assault dropsuit, but is starting to feel pointless at this point. Troll as much as you want, but you know is true. You are at wrong range ? Use laser from 70m up or shot gun it the face and if you scout there is no chance they will kill you ass log you are not in front of them ,heavy turn too slow
So you saying that playing as an assault clone is useless ? and i should be playing as another class ?
CCP remove the AR and assault dropsuit, because is not point on using them any more. Thanks. |
Kazio De Vihura
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:22:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Kazio De Vihura wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:The HMG is getting ridiculous... they starting to get instant kills all the time now. They kill me in 0.50 seconds all the time, and i running 305 hp shield, in my tier II assault suit. And trying to kill them from range doesn't work, because their range is starting to match my GEK too. I been trying to stick to my assault dropsuit, but is starting to feel pointless at this point. Troll as much as you want, but you know is true. You are at wrong range ? Use laser from 70m up or shot gun it the face and if you scout there is no chance they will kill you ass log you are not in front of them ,heavy turn too slow So you saying that playing as an assault clone is useless ? and i should be playing as another class ? CCP remove the AR and assault dropsuit, because is not point on using them any more. Thanks.
No assault clone can do job too, just put speed module in low, think ot of box. Default speed on type 2 assult I think is 7.1 scout is 7.8
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