They need countermeasures having to outrun swarms is ridiculous and annoying, and if he got taken down by 1 forge gun or 3 swarms he's either in a militia dropship or he's not got enough tank in his fitting

Militia dropshops are pretty terrible and easily dealt with by AV, as an eager pilot starting out you'll lose a lot of Dropships and ISK trying to make them work before you have the skills to survive and make an impact in a game.

They're the least noob-friendly thing in the game, but with some perserverence they can become fairly amazing.

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Dropships are pointless, three swarms from a militia and shes going down in a ball of fire,ALWAYS in the open and visible from every inch of every map. no defense, basically impossible to hit anyone from the turrets, and when you do its like, "wow i actually got him"

and while were on the subject, LAV turrets, either add some defense for the turret operator or paint it yellow and write taxi on it.

They need countermeasures having to outrun swarms is ridiculous and annoying, and if he got taken down by 1 forge gun or 3 swarms he's either in a militia dropship or he's not got enough tank in his fitting

False, forge guns can do over 5000 damage in a single shot to dropship.
That's more than a decked drop ship would have and if by some miracle it did not instantly kill the ds, he would be in burning range.

The fact that this shot can come out of nowhere is more worrisome

That depends on the forge gun and his sp levels with it, and it's not taking into account what modules the pilot has active that would increase his ehp (boosters,hardeners,reppers etc) i've had DS's survive two FG hits in close succession due to armour reppers pulling me out of the burn zone (and yes i know those would be lower end FG)

If you use Shield DS and use blasters you have to use the sabilized ones because if you are too close a good forge shot and your are down

That's an armor ship, FG does 150% to shields.

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That's an armor ship, FG does 150% to shields.

Plus you can't really run a hardener constantly, and since there's no way to predict that first shot, you might not have a ship left to activate hardeners after it. Also not like they would help when you're a burning hull.

You're right though, militia forge guns do take an extra shot or so to blow up a ds.

And FG are easy to aim. I use a militia now and can take down any flying vehicle in a matter of moments. Hopefully other pilots will notice how OP this is and lobby for change.

And FG are easy to aim. I use a militia now and can take down any flying vehicle in a matter of moments. Hopefully other pilots will notice how OP this is and lobby for change.

I have to disagree with you on that one FG aren't OP they're mainly an anti-tank weapon, if we nerf them they won't be able to perform effectively against tanks, if anything DS should get a hp buff. and that dropship was a shield one I just got very lucky

Well you havent seen me flying then

Saw a Heavy take out a Dropship with a single shot from his forge fun. I lmao'd and shook my head. Funny but oh so sad.

Dropships are pretty bad atm, However I don't have any experience flying one to give any legitimate input as to how they can be made better.

im pretty sure its 100% becuase its hybrid

Meh, that depends on which Dropship was in the air and which Forge Gun was being used.

The proto breach deals something like 3.1k at the expense of movement and a longer charge up. It ought to tear through militia fits like nothing else.

False, forge guns can do over 5000 damage in a single shot to dropship.
That's more than a decked drop ship would have and if by some miracle it did not instantly kill the ds, he would be in burning range.

The fact that this shot can come out of nowhere is more worrisome

But a militia FG can already tear through a militia ds.

Dropships are pointless, three swarms from a militia and shes going down in a ball of fire,ALWAYS in the open and visible from every inch of every map. no defense, basically impossible to hit anyone from the turrets, and when you do its like, "wow i actually got him"

and while were on the subject, LAV turrets, either add some defense for the turret operator or paint it yellow and write taxi on it.

Which Forge is this, exactly?

I really want one.

Lucky for you I suppose :P
Try a forge gun. Its harder to Not hit the drop ship.

That's true, but militia AV pretty much tears through militia vehicles anyway... so I dunno where you're going with this point.

That there's no kill like overkill.

You're trading longer charge time and movement to do more damage than you need, when talking about taking out a militia ds.

if you have an armored Dropship you need 3 Things to survive

SKILLS
AFTERBURNERS
ARMOR HARDENERS
(good gunnners are optional but really usefull)

Breach Forge Surfing on a Dropship is an Awesome Vehicle Killing Combo

dropship surfing seriously screws with my view, and surfers and afterburners don't mix well

if they are on the nose of the Dropship you can fly just fine

It gets better once your dropship starts costing around 540k a pop and you've invested a good one million SP into it.

^This

Well you havent seen me flying then

better = more expensive while still getting **** for WP or ISK?

Oh here comes and RDV! "Look out!!" /boom. Now instead of losing 150-300k you just lost 500k. Isnt it feeling better already?

doesn't matter how fast you are, forge guns are easy to aim, the only difference is they won't 1hit non-militia drop ships. there are plenty of times though my militia forge gun went up against pro dropship users with good fits, and it took a while to take them down but im not specced into forge guns at all XD

I posted that forge guns were OP in the closed beta, and though they aren't as bad now, they are still easily the best AV weapon in the game.

It's actually cheaper in the long run to upgrade past militia DS, you can easily lose a 300k isk DS every couple of matches, while my 450k isk DS will survive most matches

better = more expensive while still getting **** for WP or ISK?

Oh here comes and RDV! "Look out!!" /boom. Now instead of losing 150-300k you just lost 500k. Isnt it feeling better already?

Saw a Heavy take out a Dropship with a single shot from his forge fun. I lmao'd and shook my head. Funny but oh so sad.

Dropships are pretty bad atm, However I don't have any experience flying one to give any legitimate input as to how they can be made better.

That and a forge gun is more powerful then a railgun.... never understood how an infantry can fire such a powerful weapon without being blown back

better = more expensive while still getting **** for WP or ISK?

Oh here comes and RDV! "Look out!!" /boom. Now instead of losing 150-300k you just lost 500k. Isnt it feeling better already?