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Rifter7
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.23 08:51:00 -
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hey. i like this game, it's fun. i'm a player willing to spend money to a degree on what i find entertaining.
BUT somethings a little bit odd with the current booster system and i'd like to voice my opinion.
atm, we have access to a mercenary pack that gives us 30 days active and 35 days passive boost for 20 dollars (i'm in NA, sorry for not including your currency if you're elsewhere.). normally you'd pay 15$ for a monthly subscription to most pay to play (p2p) games on the market, but you get some bpos and other stuff.. grenades or something i can't remember.
now.. i'm not sure if this mercenary pack will last forever. if it goes, what's left is 20$ for 40,000 aurum.
that's 5 boosters.
you'd need to spend another 10$ to get 20,000 aurum to get another 2 boosters and be left with 6,000 aurum.
7x7=49/2= doesn't even cover a month for 30 dollars.
... so.. is the mercenary pack staying forever? if it's removed:
exactly how much do you expect the customer to pay to have both boosters over the span of the year?
are you guys planning on releasing 30 day boosters to be comparable to other subscription models?
does anyone else feel that if the pack was removed that spending close to 30+ dollars a month is a little bit extreme? i mean especially considering that having both boosters over the span of a year compared to someone who doesnt equates to something like 8 million skillpoints, and comparing that to someone who's using one or the other is about 4 million skillpoints difference.
i dunno.. thought i'd just voice that as it kind of seemed a bit odd and a little overpriced if that merc pack was removed. even if the merc pack wasnt removed i personally think 20$ a month is a little bit high.. especially if someones considering to have another account with boosters as well. |
Bald Crusader
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 09:18:00 -
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Just my opinion. If I wanted to spend a dollar a day on something I would go sponsor a starving 3rd world kid. |
Ninjanomyx
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.23 09:23:00 -
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Agreed. Plus Passive should be significantly less AUR as the SP Gain is far less than even the lesser Active Player. And considering the current AUR Pricing Changes/Trends.......we may soon require a month's Rent in a New York Studio Apartment for 1 Week of Active+Passive Boosters should we be so "Lucky" :P |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.23 09:27:00 -
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I'm too drunk to read your whole post...but I got the gist of it.
First off, no, the merc pack does not last forever.
You don't HAVE to buy boosters to play the game, and also you don't HAVE to buy AUR either. The game is FREE TO PLAY.
If you want to buy boosters, then you need to buy them with real money aka AUR.
You can buy AUR without buying the pack btw. Don't know if you saw that.
Personally, I buy the 7 day boosters (passive, active) from the in game market. If you want the 30 day active booster, you'll have to buy the merc pack as that's not in the store yet.
So every week I spend 14k AUR on boosters. Not a big deal considering it's spending money on entertainment. So again I say, you don't HAVE to buy the merc pack to buy AUR... |
Invading Oren
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 09:58:00 -
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The only reason to buy active and passive booster is to get your core and profession skills to max faster than others.When you're done there's really no reason too keep buying them for secondary profession etc so noones gonna buy them forever. Aurum suits and weapons just offers you a faster way to gain them so that won't last for long either. I also heard that you can sell salvage items for aurum in the upcoming marketplace(not sure) so you can still buy aurum items without spending rl money. Btw merc pack has 30 day active only ,there's no 30 day passive in it. |
STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.23 14:00:00 -
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How much does 1,000 Aurum cost in US Dollars if you buy the $20/40,000 Aurum pack? .50 cents...
7 day ACTIVE booster cost?
From this you can get a daily cost of the Active booster.
Multiply daily cost by days in a month (30 or 31).
You arrive at your monthly cost in USD.
A bit tired... but I think that is correct.
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Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.23 15:47:00 -
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this whole AURUM thing is stupid, AUR is (as previously mentioned) only USEFUL (that means you can buy it all time, but it's way less efficient ) in the early stages of your char, meaning core and your spec (if any) After that u can get the same weapons paying ISK and the boosters are not that important.
On the other hand, you will be able to buy AUR items and sell em for ISK in an indefinite future.That's a way to get fast ISK, at least theoretically since someone HAS to buy your stuff.
So lets set some examples:
1: it takes 20$ (I'm from the euro zone but my KB don't wanna print the euro symbol) to buy 40k AUR
2: you can buy an advanced rifle for 70 AUR
We get deduction 1 (D1): 20$ = 40k AUR = 571.## rifles
That's good isn't it?
3: You can buy a PLEX for 20$ and it's been a year since i've last played EVE, but the conversion was around 500M (a bit lower)so:
20$=1PLEX = 500M (and it's ALWAYS rising so you can get 500M, but a PLEX and wait 1 year and sell it for 520)
Now get get a way to conect $, ISK and AUR (**** See notes about markets and shi* at the end of the post)
D2: 20$=40000AUR=500M ISK.
D3: 1 Advanced AUR rifle = 70 AUR = 875,656.75 ISK (you can buy 1 every 4 pub matches aprox since u can't play 3 and 1/4)
I hope nobody buys that on a regular basis, so few ppl will sell em.
Now with boosters:
a 7 days booster is around 7000 AUR. Since we don't want to play w decimal numbers and we can almost buy 6 boosters with a 40k AUR pack, we're gonna get the ISK:AUR conversion rate**** using $ as the conversion base.
500M ISK =20$
40K AUR = 20$
500M ISK = 40K AUR (I hope I've made it so simple even a kid understands)
THIS is the important number****
------------->>> 12500 ISK = 1 AUR <-> 1 AUR= 12500 ISK <<<------------
More exmaples:
1. 7 days booster -> 7000AUR -> 87.5M ISK
2. 1 month using 7 days boosters 87.5M * (30/7) = 375M ISK
3. since you want active + pasive = 375*2 = 750M ISK
Deduction: i've you want to play EVE style (pseudo-suscription mod of sorts paying to get the most SP) you need PLEX and a half a month (3 PLEXes every 2 months) or 60$ / 2 = 30$ month (like the OP said)
Conclusion:
EVE players can buy PLEX for ISK, we may be able to, but i don't think we'll be able to pay RL money for it, so we are stuck with AUR, which ISK value is directly dependent PLEX value since I'm not gonna pay 20$ to buy 40k AUR if it's less worth than a PLEX.
The moment we stop having taxes on EVE isk-> DUST isk, DUST players won't be able to buy a 7-days booster (87,5M) the inflation on AUR items will be so fcking big it's no possible that we can merge wallets ever.
To sum up: this game is way more expensive than EVE if you wanna pay for it, but you don't have to, so it will end with you not doing so after a certain point (just like EVE) with the difference of ppl not buying AUR to get ISK since AUR things should be so expensive in ISK that nobody w/o ISK coming from AUR or EVE will be able to buy em on regular basis and in case 1 you will simply buy the damn thing (boosters mostly) in the AUR market and in case 2 you'll either have such a brutal tax to convert EVE ISK into DUST ISK that it won't be worth it (creating a black market scam-prone, first of example of this was around the forums a week or so ago) or you will simply use PLEX if there's no tax since it's more worth cuz it has a constant demand.
To really sum up: AUR looks like a self-use currency and doesn't look like it will work on the market any way near how the PLEX does, so the only way to this game to get some CONSTANT money income is to have a continuously growing player base, just like all F2P games so the moment the player-base stabilizes they will start to lose money.
**** : the ISK:PLEX rate is constantly changing and when i say changing i mean rising, it's like gold in the world economy; money gets out of prints, so it's worth nothing, if there's more money, it's worth less, and finite things like PLEX gets more expensive. EVE works like a real economy and as such it's money it's always losing value against finite things like PLEX, so if there's no way i can think of to make plexes going down on price except a ******* big ISK sink which i think this game won't be. The moral of the history is for every 500M you got frozen in your EVE wallet, buy a plex, it's a low risk low revenue deposit on EVE and the only way to no lose money due inflation.
DISCLAIMER : this post went way off-topic, and is a random rant of a Software Engineering student with no clue of economy except for a subject studied one semester 3 years ago, if you thing this is bullshit, just say it, if you back it up with some logic I won't be able to answer  Oh, and sorry for my grammar, expression, etc, my country is not very proficient speaking English on average.
TL:DR; you did good, go on
EDIT: wow, seeing this posted i think I've made a postzilla, it looks more like a blog article than a post, srry xD |
Rifter7
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.23 18:13:00 -
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i liked that post, it gave me hope that people really understood what i was talking about..
but if you where to use isk to buy active boosters lets say, and then you actually paid 20 dollars to get 5 7 day boosters.. i don't know.
you'd spend 180 dollars or 15$ a month for 357 days... but only receive one of the two boosters for that year or have both for half a year...
so you'd pay a subscription but still be required to buy the other half of the subscription from the market place with in game currency. sounds like a pretty big investment if you ask me. if you wanted to pay for both itd be 360$ a year or 30$ a month to basically have what looks like the subscription in game.
IF THE MERC PACK WAS REMOVED. with the merc pack is 15$ a month, which is pretty acceptable compared to most games on the market.
hopefully they introduce something similar to the mercenary pack again but for boosters or keep it all together. |
Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.23 19:46:00 -
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Quote:
with the merc pack is 15$ a month, which is pretty acceptable
Well, after a year you would be like "Why can't i hold all this Toxin SMG?" 
I think the merc pack it's such a good deal in comparison w the 40K AUR pack that doesn't make sense to get the second even more if you will be able to sell the weapons and suits that comes w the merc pack. So either it gets removed or the 40k AUR thing should get cheaper.
On game side the boosters are way too expensive and while I can understand the lack of 30 days active boosters(not really but...), it doesn't make sense with passive ones, it's not like you want 7 days boost for anything special, you probably want to get the most time with the money are able/want to spend in the game, proof is ppl are stacking 7 days boosters, meaning they would definitely go for the 30 days variants if they would exist, hell I had hoped even a 1 year passive booster for those that like pseudo subscription-like play mode and because in every F2P game there's that super expensive item that only true addicted (i mean dedicated players) will buy instead, the most expensive items we've got are the MAG suits.... a type-I suit that gets old pretty fast, even if I've been using em since they went out instead of using a Type II assault because the player-base (aka blueberries) can be easily handled anyway...
But seriously, I think they haven't even started to introduce items much less AUR items and i hope the AUR items price to go sightly down, so everything we're talking here is kind of vaporware but since I'm waiting a dev blog telling us we get the new build on Thursday 28th (I'm suck a dreamer ) i got nothing else to do while resting from a long DUST session.
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Rifter7
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.23 20:50:00 -
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"Why can't i hold all this Toxin SMG?"
lmfao.
nice post in general man. just laughed pretty hard at that toxin bit. |
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