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Y0UR NAME HERE
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:16:00 -
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There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts? |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:19:00 -
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Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists? |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:20:00 -
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I was in a Pub were there was both a Surya and madrugar on the enemy team and didn't go well for my team.
Though I think I was the only one trying to take them out... |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:21:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, there useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts?
Every one wants free wp for the destruction of tanks..I agree with you fix the isk price of swarms 70k and can solo a 1.2-2m surya |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists?
Not sure seems like it, but could be just the shields natural resists.
I ate a sagaris with my madrugar other day, was harder then a gunnlogi, but ridiculously so.
They're honestly pretty sad, people who have them skilled, won't use them.
There is no point. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:23:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:I was in a Pub were there was both a Surya and madrugar on the enemy team and didn't go well for my team.
Though I think I was the only one trying to take them out...
I don't brag much but..... |
Y0UR NAME HERE
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:24:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:I was in a Pub were there was both a Surya and madrugar on the enemy team and didn't go well for my team.
Though I think I was the only one trying to take them out...
Well the tank on them is the same,
Your getting 1 more high slot and 100 more pg.
That doesn't change how much you can tank at all.
They're identical.
The difference between a surya and mad should be very visible, like between the soma and mad.
Edit,
Which is created by adding another low slot for the mad over the soma. |
EternalRMG
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:34:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts?
I would like to have the siege Mode Back but we need larger maps and restrictions for it |
Y0UR NAME HERE
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:49:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts? I would like to have the siege Mode Back but we need larger maps and restrictions for it
Ya this would be a great addition.
Good use for the extra high slot as well |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:02:00 -
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The gunlogi is already like a glass cannon and the sag doesnt really improve on this HP wise
The surya on the other hand maybe benefit a little bit more hp wise but a madruger is cheaper in the long run
Overall they do suck for the amount of SP/ISK which is need to sink into them, also the BO HAVs when they were around did also suck
But the community wanted HAVs nerfed because they wanted to solo them with milita grade weapons and they got what they wanted
The tanks and tbh various mods need a buff but it prob wont happen |
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Mavado V Noriega
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:10:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists? Not sure seems like it, but could be just the shields natural resists. I ate a sagaris with my madrugar other day, was harder then a gunnlogi, but ridiculously so. They're honestly pretty sad, people who have them skilled, won't use them.There is no point.
yet ppl always use them................. |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:15:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists? Not sure seems like it, but could be just the shields natural resists. I ate a sagaris with my madrugar other day, was harder then a gunnlogi, but ridiculously so. They're honestly pretty sad, people who have them skilled, won't use them.There is no point. yet ppl always use them.................
Rarely.
I've seen djinn goose use his sagaris once, then he went back to gunnlogi.
People will use them now and then cuz we get free ones from salvage.
But there's no point in them still.
HAV's do need a buff, they've become pretty crappy.
Yes we can go 40/0 in a game, but most of the time you'll lose 1 every couple games, with 1 mill price tag per, that's pretty ridiculous.
Although I will state between tactics ect I don't lose 1 often, maybe on a bad day, but 90+% of my losses are from OB's, I've had 4 called on my tank in one match with no infantry around me, since they couldn't get me with AV they farmed WP's for OB's. |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:20:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists? Not sure seems like it, but could be just the shields natural resists. I ate a sagaris with my madrugar other day, was harder then a gunnlogi, but ridiculously so. They're honestly pretty sad, people who have them skilled, won't use them.There is no point. yet ppl always use them................. Rarely. I've seen djinn goose use his sagaris once, then he went back to gunnlogi. People will use them now and then cuz we get free ones from salvage. But there's no point in them still. HAV's do need a buff, they've become pretty crappy. Yes we can go 40/0 in a game, but most of the time you'll lose 1 every couple games, with 1 mill price tag per, that's pretty ridiculous. Although I will state between tactics ect I don't lose 1 often, maybe on a bad day, but 90+% of my losses are from OB's, I've had 4 called on my tank in one match with no infantry around me, since they couldn't get me with AV they farmed WP's for OB's.
Not sayin marauders dont need a buff just sayin never understoood ppls comments on "ppl dont use it if they got it skilled" when u ALWAYS see ppl using it.
and doesnt it make sense tho to NOT bring out a marauder in a pub cuz of the costs?
pre wipe my surya only saw action in corp matches and very very very rare occasions id take it out for a spin in a pub to counter another marauder
why would anyone however bring out marauder tanks regularly in pubs even IF it was given a buff just not worth it anyway ISK wise |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:28:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists? Not sure seems like it, but could be just the shields natural resists. I ate a sagaris with my madrugar other day, was harder then a gunnlogi, but ridiculously so. They're honestly pretty sad, people who have them skilled, won't use them.There is no point. yet ppl always use them................. Rarely. I've seen djinn goose use his sagaris once, then he went back to gunnlogi. People will use them now and then cuz we get free ones from salvage. But there's no point in them still. HAV's do need a buff, they've become pretty crappy. Yes we can go 40/0 in a game, but most of the time you'll lose 1 every couple games, with 1 mill price tag per, that's pretty ridiculous. Although I will state between tactics ect I don't lose 1 often, maybe on a bad day, but 90+% of my losses are from OB's, I've had 4 called on my tank in one match with no infantry around me, since they couldn't get me with AV they farmed WP's for OB's. Not sayin marauders dont need a buff just sayin never understoood ppls comments on "ppl dont use it if they got it skilled" when u ALWAYS see ppl using it. and doesnt it make sense tho to NOT bring out a marauder in a pub cuz of the costs? pre wipe my surya only saw action in corp matches and very very very rare occasions id take it out for a spin in a pub to counter another marauder why would anyone however bring out marauder tanks regularly in pubs even IF it was given a buff just not worth it anyway ISK wise
I have 15 Surya from salvage, I wouldn't mind taking it into a pub.
With a buff, I'd use it in pubs, why not people use proto suits in pubs too.
Corp battles are garbage atm, no reason to use it there either.
For fame, glory? Baaaah. |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:32:00 -
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I imagine that when there is more than a few million ISK on the line that extra little bit to give you the edge over your opponent will look like a bargain. |
WR3CK HAVOC
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:33:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts?
Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man.
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Y0UR NAME HERE
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:33:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:I imagine that when there is more than a few million ISK on the line that extra little bit to give you the edge over your opponent will look like a bargain.
Maybe, but the point still remains,
Why drop a Surya when the mad does the same job at under half the price? |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:34:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts? Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man.
I can and do, tanks are a good pass time for me.
Being STB, learn to fit your tanks and quit being jelly.
Also anyone who has tried tanks understand its a job keeping them alive in our current AV situation.
I actually find it easier to run around with my gun then drive around a tank. |
WR3CK HAVOC
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:37:00 -
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IF they dont come up with acceptable AV and this game continues to become world of tanks im losing interest pretty quick. hopefully destiny will be more balanced. |
WR3CK HAVOC
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:42:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts? Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man. I can and do, tanks are a good pass time for me. Being STB, learn to fit your tanks and quit being jelly. Also anyone who has tried tanks understand its a job keeping them alive in our current AV situation. I actually find it easier to run around with my gun then drive around a tank.
What is the current AV situation? So you want your tank to be god mode? The ones i see that are fitted correctly have no trouble staying alive. I have AV mines , packed AV nades , and level 3 swarm launchers with high level damage mods and all that dont do **** to tanks with modules. They either drive away or kill everyone.
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:45:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts? Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man. I can and do, tanks are a good pass time for me. Being STB, learn to fit your tanks and quit being jelly. Also anyone who has tried tanks understand its a job keeping them alive in our current AV situation. I actually find it easier to run around with my gun then drive around a tank. What is the current AV situation? So you want your tank to be god mode? The ones i see that are fitted correctly have no trouble staying alive. I have AV mines , packed AV nades , and level 3 swarm launchers with high level damage mods and all that dont do **** to tanks with modules. They either drive away or kill everyone.
LOL your doing something wrong then.... |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:45:00 -
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I haven't seen anone mention the bonus to racial turrets marauders get...
They might not have a massively improved tqnk but that seems like a huge upgrade to me... |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:46:00 -
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It's still better than Dropships. Level 3 Dropships are actually the worst joke ever told. |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:47:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:I haven't seen anone mention the bonus to racial turrets marauders get...
They might not have a massively improved tqnk but that seems like a huge upgrade to me...
Because the skill applies to all tanks, broken feature or not idk, which again makes mad the same as Surya and puts the gunnlogi down the toilet since you can't fit missiles to get their bonus. |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:50:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:There is no point to using either really.
I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.
500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.
How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?
Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?
Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?
No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.
Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.
Thoughts? Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man. I can and do, tanks are a good pass time for me. Being STB, learn to fit your tanks and quit being jelly. Also anyone who has tried tanks understand its a job keeping them alive in our current AV situation. I actually find it easier to run around with my gun then drive around a tank. What is the current AV situation? So you want your tank to be god mode? The ones i see that are fitted correctly have no trouble staying alive. I have AV mines , packed AV nades , and level 3 swarm launchers with high level damage mods and all that dont do **** to tanks with modules. They either drive away or kill everyone.
This, you must be joking right? Only going against shield tanks?
I haven't found a tank my swarms alone can't take down, let alone with AV grenades.
3 complex damage mods mmmmmm tank pie.
No one should be able to solo a tank in the first place, but its very possible.
Minimum should be 4-5 guys to kill one.
You make me giggle and your AV tactics reinforce my STB statement. |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:56:00 -
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The marauder HAVs (Surya and Sagaris) are supposed to get siege modules. There are a lot of capabilities missing from the game that will drastically change the way everything, especially vehicles, work. |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:57:00 -
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Tanks are supposed to be supported by infantry. Tanks shouldn't be able to solo slaughter infantry just like infantry shouldn't be able to solo slaughter tanks (which they really can't, unless they're insanely focused on AV, or the tank driver is a derp) |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 02:59:00 -
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has some one mentioned the innate damage bonus? |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 03:03:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:has some one mentioned the innate damage bonus?
Look at top of page |
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Posted - 2013.02.23 03:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Tanks are supposed to be supported by infantry. Tanks shouldn't be able to solo slaughter infantry just like infantry shouldn't be able to solo slaughter tanks (which they really can't, unless they're insanely focused on AV, or the tank driver is a derp)
And how hard is it to insanely skill AV?
Way less then half the SP it takes to even have a half decent tank. |
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