There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, there useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

Doesn't the sagaris have built in resists?

I was in a Pub were there was both a Surya and madrugar on the enemy team and didn't go well for my team.

Though I think I was the only one trying to take them out...

I was in a Pub were there was both a Surya and madrugar on the enemy team and didn't go well for my team.

Though I think I was the only one trying to take them out...

There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

I would like to have the siege Mode Back but we need larger maps and restrictions for it

Not sure seems like it, but could be just the shields natural resists.

I ate a sagaris with my madrugar other day, was harder then a gunnlogi, but ridiculously so.

They're honestly pretty sad, people who have them skilled, won't use them.

There is no point.

yet ppl always use them.................

Rarely.

I've seen djinn goose use his sagaris once, then he went back to gunnlogi.

People will use them now and then cuz we get free ones from salvage.

But there's no point in them still.

HAV's do need a buff, they've become pretty crappy.

Yes we can go 40/0 in a game, but most of the time you'll lose 1 every couple games, with 1 mill price tag per, that's pretty ridiculous.

Although I will state between tactics ect I don't lose 1 often, maybe on a bad day, but 90+% of my losses are from OB's, I've had 4 called on my tank in one match with no infantry around me, since they couldn't get me with AV they farmed WP's for OB's.

Not sayin marauders dont need a buff just sayin never understoood ppls comments on "ppl dont use it if they got it skilled" when u ALWAYS see ppl using it.

and doesnt it make sense tho to NOT bring out a marauder in a pub cuz of the costs?
pre wipe my surya only saw action in corp matches and very very very rare occasions id take it out for a spin in a pub to counter another marauder

why would anyone however bring out marauder tanks regularly in pubs even IF it was given a buff just not worth it anyway ISK wise

There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

I imagine that when there is more than a few million ISK on the line that extra little bit to give you the edge over your opponent will look like a bargain.

Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man.

I can and do, tanks are a good pass time for me.

Being STB, learn to fit your tanks and quit being jelly.


Also anyone who has tried tanks understand its a job keeping them alive in our current AV situation.

I actually find it easier to run around with my gun then drive around a tank.

What is the current AV situation? So you want your tank to be god mode? The ones i see that are fitted correctly have no trouble staying alive. I have AV mines , packed AV nades , and level 3 swarm launchers with high level damage mods and all that dont do **** to tanks with modules. They either drive away or kill everyone.

I haven't seen anone mention the bonus to racial turrets marauders get...

They might not have a massively improved tqnk but that seems like a huge upgrade to me...

What is the current AV situation? So you want your tank to be god mode? The ones i see that are fitted correctly have no trouble staying alive. I have AV mines , packed AV nades , and level 3 swarm launchers with high level damage mods and all that dont do **** to tanks with modules. They either drive away or kill everyone.

has some one mentioned the innate damage bonus?

Tanks are supposed to be supported by infantry. Tanks shouldn't be able to solo slaughter infantry just like infantry shouldn't be able to solo slaughter tanks (which they really can't, unless they're insanely focused on AV, or the tank driver is a derp)

sagaris is worth the isk for me, tho I wont bust it out in a pubbie for the most part unless sombody pops my gunlogi fit.

The new shield AV weapon that is coming out might make me rethink busting it out in anything besides a corp battle tho.

sagaris is worth the isk for me, tho I wont bust it out in a pubbie for the most part unless sombody pops my gunlogi fit.

The new shield AV weapon that is coming out might make me rethink busting it out in anything besides a corp battle tho.

plasma launcher is hybrid not shield oriented

We're going off topic here.

Has CCP confirmed the siege mode? Or is that speculation?

its been confirmed but like everything else we havent gotten much word on it after initial mention
but marauders really do need siege modules to set it apart from just regular tanks tbh

Will affect equally.

Should be seeing more of these then swarms, thank god.

If tanks get a buff shouldn't it be time for AV centered vehicles, something not as fragile as infantry but more mobile and pack more of a punch along with being easier to hit and losing most of the element of surprise while packing a larger punch

Maybe, but the point still remains,

Why drop a Surya when the mad does the same job at under half the price?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I'm under the impression that the Surya is a little bit better than the Mad, no?

I can see your point if it's really only 100 more PG and an extra slot I suppose, but it seems to me like even that extra slot and the extra 100 PG could be used to get a pretty decent advantage with the right finagling. I have to admit though, I'm not a tank driver, I'm a dropship pilot, so to me an extra high slot and 100 PG sounds friggin' awesome.

In a high stakes match with two roughly equally skilled teams, would you say a group of Suryas would have an advantage over a group of Mads if the two were to cross paths? Because in my mind, this is where the risk/reward should exist for high end vehicles. To me, it seems like a prototype tank should ALWAYS be a dumb investment for a pub match, and should be more of a tool to squeek out an advantage vs other high-end competitive players. So, I can see tweeking them upwards a tad bit more, but frankly, in your day to day battles a Mad or a Gunn are already practically overkill.

Next time I see a tank in a match, I'm calling in a militia dropship and going on a kamikaze run. I wonder if crashing head on into a tank will destroy it no matter what kind of tank it is.....hmmm....

Spider tanking? I think the extra slots could make for some crazy remote rep pairs or squads

I'd say yes but that's not going to work.

Extra high means Surya will fit a remote shield rep.

Sagaris remote armor rep.


I guess if you did a shield/armor team it would work.....but ya.

Yeah it's nice to be the same, but having a blaster and railgun, or blaster and missile means you have a little more strategic depth maybe.

I'd say yes but that's not going to work.

Extra high means Surya will fit a remote shield rep.

Sagaris remote armor rep.


I guess if you did a shield/armor team it would work.....but ya.

Yes well for the extra damage mod ya?

But Surya gets that inherently with all the skills, actually more then the sagaris can put out, without losing tank.

Surya only gets extra damage for the blaster.

But mainly because I get more survivability with a sagaris. I can tank an OB in a sagaris, I can't do that in a gunlogi

Surya only gets extra damage for the blaster.

But mainly because I get more survivability with a sagaris. I can tank an OB in a sagaris, I can't do that in a gunlogi

Railgun his hybrid along with blaster,

It gets bonus to hybrid.

So railgun and blaster.

Also on that note, have you found the sagaris to have more of a built in resistance?

My mad can survive an OB if all hardners and reps are on.

I might have to check when I get on tomorrow, but I thought the description said only blasters.

Has anyone tested it this build yet?

Last build I remember alldin saying that it only effected blasters

But if that's the case I wish I would have gone armor tanking

One sec I'm at work too, having my bro look at bonus description.

So how much better of a tank are you getting on sagaris vs gunnlogi?

I only do armor so not sure.

There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

Next time I see a tank in a match, I'm calling in a militia dropship and going on a kamikaze run. I wonder if crashing head on into a tank will destroy it no matter what kind of tank it is.....hmmm....

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ok...
ok to start off lol Hahahahaha o man hehehehe
....ok to start with how to fix the Pro tanks is you ready for this ....No? to bad !!!

give them more slots !

from 5 to 6

better tank = less buthurt for pro tank drivers when i shoot them.

think a bout it the best tanks are the no sp tanks Sica and Soma why?

they can kill a pro tank in 2-3 shots and fit the rite way they can take 1 one and get that kill shot they will die but its 750.000 lost vs over 3 mill lost .
and for the players not runing the 3 mill FIT for the pro tanks you are what we call in eve "TO DUM TO FLY" but here we will call you "TO DUM TO DRIVE" !

back to the tank on pro tanks if you give them that 6th slot that give room for a dmg mod to one shot the no SP tanks as well as holding there own vsing a T1 tank.

what dont like it then to bad your going to 1 live with the facted I will all ways Hunt you from a Cheaper tank that can kill you as ez as you kill me.

or you can come to the idea that this is not the COD your from !

What is COD? I think it might be some type of fish....

OK ok ok im fine now ....lol hehehehehe....no rely im ok hehehe....

ok...
ok to start off lol Hahahahaha o man hehehehe
....ok to start with how to fix the Pro tanks is you ready for this ....No? to bad !!!

give them more slots !

from 5 to 6

better tank = less buthurt for pro tank drivers when i shoot them.

think a bout it the best tanks are the no sp tanks Sica and Soma why?

they can kill a pro tank in 2-3 shots and fit the rite way they can take 1 one and get that kill shot they will die but its 750.000 lost vs over 3 mill lost .
and for the players not runing the 3 mill FIT for the pro tanks you are what we call in eve "TO DUM TO FLY" but here we will call you "TO DUM TO DRIVE" !

back to the tank on pro tanks if you give them that 6th slot that give room for a dmg mod to one shot the no SP tanks as well as holding there own vsing a T1 tank.

what dont like it then to bad your going to 1 live with the facted I will all ways Hunt you from a Cheaper tank that can kill you as ez as you kill me.

or you can come to the idea that this is not the COD your from !

Tanks are supposed to be supported by infantry. Tanks shouldn't be able to solo slaughter infantry just like infantry shouldn't be able to solo slaughter tanks (which they really can't, unless they're insanely focused on AV, or the tank driver is a derp)

The gunlogi is already like a glass cannon and the sag doesnt really improve on this HP wise

The surya on the other hand maybe benefit a little bit more hp wise but a madruger is cheaper in the long run

Overall they do suck for the amount of SP/ISK which is need to sink into them, also the BO HAVs when they were around did also suck

But the community wanted HAVs nerfed because they wanted to solo them with milita grade weapons and they got what they wanted

The tanks and tbh various mods need a buff but it prob wont happen

Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man.

considering i kill sagaris' with a madguer i think these expensive tanks need a buff. I see no use in using them. Ask slap it was his sagaris. so i mean u can argue that the 1 slot makes a different but for armor tanks it's useless. wat will i use it for more shields? Lol i 3 shoted him and he 3 shoted me. Not saying i'm better because he killed me right after i'm just making a comparision. but the 1000 armor bonus would help from av. i little bit. as far as tank vs tank. it really doesn't matter wat u use.

Get out of your tank ***** and fight like a man.

Every one wants free wp for the destruction of tanks..I agree with you fix the isk price of swarms 70k and can solo a 1.2-2m surya

Cheap RPGs and landmines can destroy multi-million dollar tanks. Stinger missile launchers can destroy helicopters.

OMG, God should nerf guerrilla tactics, amirite?

Last I checked we wernt this advanced bud..

I'm sorry, what are you trying to say?

We are not as advanced as the factions in DUST. Think there tanks should be able to handle some missles

Or maybe missile/explosive tech has kept pace with armor/shield tech? (It clearly has.)

Cheap guerrilla tactics to defeat a numerically/economically superior foe have been around for thousands of years. There's no sense crying that those tactics work in DUST as well.

Or you could just QQ that buying a 35-1 KDR isn't enough. Whichever, really.

Lmfao im sick of losing my sagaris oh wait I run AR hmmm..we can create ships that take us to other places and can take one hell of a beating but they couldnt make tanks like that?

Spaceships can get destroyed by missiles too, in case you didn't notice.

You clearly are incapable of understanding the point I'm making, so good luck with your QQ.

Here is what the Sagaris and Surya should get, this is coming from Eve some what. On top of their regular Marauder bonus, they should get a Bonus for each level of HAV skilled as well.

For the Sagaris, it should be 5% shield resistance per level.
For the Surya it should be 5% Bonus to overall armor per level.
For the Amarr Marauder it should be 5% armor resistence per level.
For the Minmatar Marauder it should be 5% bonus to overall shields per level.

[quote=Y0UR NAME HERE]There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

would like to have the siege Mode Back but we need larger maps and restrictions for it[

LOL Tell that to Bad Furry. Scrub

Or maybe missile/explosive tech has kept pace with armor/shield tech? (It clearly has.)

Cheap guerrilla tactics to defeat a numerically/economically superior foe have been around for thousands of years. There's no sense crying that those tactics work in DUST as well.

Or you could just QQ that buying a 35-1 KDR isn't enough. Whichever, really.

Spaceships can get destroyed by missiles too, in case you didn't notice.

You clearly are incapable of understanding the point I'm making, so good luck with your QQ.

You just don't get it, do you? Cheap weapons have been used to thwart expensive armies for a long, long time. Your corpmate is crying that a missile shouldn't be able to destroy a tank, like guerrilla tactics haven't been used for thousands of years.

Yes, your tank has space armor, but these are space missiles. Deal with it.

Is everyone in your corp this dense? I really want to know, because I'm having a hard time understanding how you two aren't getting this.

cost increase (both SP and isk) shouldn't go hand in hand with performance increase.
That would be bad design.

There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

You know, I'd actually be fine with it if they significantly increased the stats of the next tier of tank (black ops ftw ^.^)

but I hope the new tanks and mods will come out soon!

You just don't get it, do you? Cheap weapons have been used to thwart expensive armies for a long, long time. Your corpmate is crying that a missile shouldn't be able to destroy a tank, like guerrilla tactics haven't been used for thousands of years.

Yes, your tank has space armor, but these are space missiles. Deal with it.

Is everyone in your corp this dense? I really want to know, because I'm having a hard time understanding how you two aren't getting this.