sagaris is worth the isk for me, tho I wont bust it out in a pubbie for the most part unless sombody pops my gunlogi fit.

The new shield AV weapon that is coming out might make me rethink busting it out in anything besides a corp battle tho.

sagaris is worth the isk for me, tho I wont bust it out in a pubbie for the most part unless sombody pops my gunlogi fit.

The new shield AV weapon that is coming out might make me rethink busting it out in anything besides a corp battle tho.

plasma launcher is hybrid not shield oriented

We're going off topic here.

Has CCP confirmed the siege mode? Or is that speculation?

its been confirmed but like everything else we havent gotten much word on it after initial mention
but marauders really do need siege modules to set it apart from just regular tanks tbh

Will affect equally.

Should be seeing more of these then swarms, thank god.

If tanks get a buff shouldn't it be time for AV centered vehicles, something not as fragile as infantry but more mobile and pack more of a punch along with being easier to hit and losing most of the element of surprise while packing a larger punch

Maybe, but the point still remains,

Why drop a Surya when the mad does the same job at under half the price?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I'm under the impression that the Surya is a little bit better than the Mad, no?

I can see your point if it's really only 100 more PG and an extra slot I suppose, but it seems to me like even that extra slot and the extra 100 PG could be used to get a pretty decent advantage with the right finagling. I have to admit though, I'm not a tank driver, I'm a dropship pilot, so to me an extra high slot and 100 PG sounds friggin' awesome.

In a high stakes match with two roughly equally skilled teams, would you say a group of Suryas would have an advantage over a group of Mads if the two were to cross paths? Because in my mind, this is where the risk/reward should exist for high end vehicles. To me, it seems like a prototype tank should ALWAYS be a dumb investment for a pub match, and should be more of a tool to squeek out an advantage vs other high-end competitive players. So, I can see tweeking them upwards a tad bit more, but frankly, in your day to day battles a Mad or a Gunn are already practically overkill.

Next time I see a tank in a match, I'm calling in a militia dropship and going on a kamikaze run. I wonder if crashing head on into a tank will destroy it no matter what kind of tank it is.....hmmm....

Spider tanking? I think the extra slots could make for some crazy remote rep pairs or squads

I'd say yes but that's not going to work.

Extra high means Surya will fit a remote shield rep.

Sagaris remote armor rep.


I guess if you did a shield/armor team it would work.....but ya.

Yeah it's nice to be the same, but having a blaster and railgun, or blaster and missile means you have a little more strategic depth maybe.

I'd say yes but that's not going to work.

Extra high means Surya will fit a remote shield rep.

Sagaris remote armor rep.


I guess if you did a shield/armor team it would work.....but ya.

Yes well for the extra damage mod ya?

But Surya gets that inherently with all the skills, actually more then the sagaris can put out, without losing tank.

Surya only gets extra damage for the blaster.

But mainly because I get more survivability with a sagaris. I can tank an OB in a sagaris, I can't do that in a gunlogi

Surya only gets extra damage for the blaster.

But mainly because I get more survivability with a sagaris. I can tank an OB in a sagaris, I can't do that in a gunlogi

Railgun his hybrid along with blaster,

It gets bonus to hybrid.

So railgun and blaster.

Also on that note, have you found the sagaris to have more of a built in resistance?

My mad can survive an OB if all hardners and reps are on.

I might have to check when I get on tomorrow, but I thought the description said only blasters.

Has anyone tested it this build yet?

Last build I remember alldin saying that it only effected blasters

But if that's the case I wish I would have gone armor tanking

One sec I'm at work too, having my bro look at bonus description.

So how much better of a tank are you getting on sagaris vs gunnlogi?

I only do armor so not sure.

There is no point to using either really.

I'm at work so numbers are from the top of my head.

500 armor difference between surya and madrugar. 100pg difference, 1 more high slot.

How is this worth like 800k sp and fitted 2 mill isk?

Shouldn't these be pretty beast tanks?

Wouldn't an extra low slot with more pg for another heavy plate or repper be more acceptable?

No one even wants to use them, theyre useless compared to the standard variants.

Same goes for sagaris, and its missiles are broken.

Thoughts?

Next time I see a tank in a match, I'm calling in a militia dropship and going on a kamikaze run. I wonder if crashing head on into a tank will destroy it no matter what kind of tank it is.....hmmm....