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BloodBrotherBro
BloodBrothers4u
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Posted - 2013.02.22 13:55:00 -
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I would like to see ccp get rid of vehicles running over people and get the kill for it. I think it is cheating, this is a first person shooter game not grand theft auto. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 13:58:00 -
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Physics.. how does it work?
Naw, it's appropriate, and getting the hell out of the way isn't too hard. |
Koolay00
The Brochachos
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:05:00 -
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this doesnt even deserve the effort of a facepalm, im going to need something much greater but im afraid it wont be enough. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
220
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:05:00 -
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[jk] How about instead of killing people they bash into, they fling them miles into the air across the map!? [/jk] |
BloodBrotherBro
BloodBrothers4u
3
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:09:00 -
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If we're talking physics, then lets see a grenade versus a LAV. Hmmmm any questions I do I still get run over by LAV and LAV still runs along like nothing happens. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:10:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:[jk] How about instead of killing people they bash into, they fling them miles into the air across the map!? [/jk]
Maybe they oughta get punted right back into their MCC.
BloodBrotherBro wrote:If we're talking physics, then lets see a grenade versus a LAV. Hmmmm any questions I do I still get run over by LAV and LAV still runs along like nothing happens.
An AV grenade or just a grenade? Use the right tool for the right job. If it's a LAV, the occupants are likely exposed so you might be able to damage them (moreso than the vehicle) if the grenade explodes higher rather than on the ground. I've been hit by an AV Grenade in a LAV, and those do absolutely destroy it too.
As far as I recall, the general rules for resistances apply in DUST as they do in EvE. Explosives versus Shields doesn't work so well. Explosives against ARMOR (IE: Unshielded) will absolutely destroy it. This is why with even a Militia launcher it takes six (2x3 warheads) rounds to at least disable a vehicle. Shields resist it better, but armor practically melts like butter. |
Koolay00
The Brochachos
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:14:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Django Quik wrote:[jk] How about instead of killing people they bash into, they fling them miles into the air across the map!? [/jk] Maybe they oughta get punted right back into their MCC.
thats irrational thinking. it would make more sense they get dragged across the map as you drive. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
220
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:25:00 -
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Koolay00 wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Django Quik wrote:[jk] How about instead of killing people they bash into, they fling them miles into the air across the map!? [/jk] Maybe they oughta get punted right back into their MCC. thats irrational thinking. it would make more sense they get dragged across the map as you drive.
Ooh like dragging cans behind a wedding car with a just married sign? And the bodies slide around behind you. And sometimes they don't quite die and are flinging around behind your LAV struggling to break free and maybe wildly shooting too. I really think we're onto something here! [not really] |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:28:00 -
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This is ridiculous. What happens when a car hits you? It hurts like a b*tch, right? If you are hit hard enough, it kills you right? That's exactly what happens here. You can graze someone in here and they take partial or full damage depending on how hard they are hit.
TL;DR: Working as intended. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:29:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:This is ridiculous. What happens when a car hits you? It hurts like a b*tch, right? If you are hit hard enough, it kills you right? That's exactly what happens here. You can graze someone in here and they take partial or full damage depending on how hard they are hit.
TL;DR: Working as intended.
At least it doesn't feel like APBR's method of vehicle impacts. Even if you're out of the way you still get classified as "hit" due to their bad netcode. |
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Meeko Fent
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:39:00 -
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BloodBrotherBro wrote:I would like to see ccp get rid of vehicles running over people and get the kill for it. I think it is cheating, this is a first person shooter game not grand theft auto. Sir, Let me make an Analogy, LAV is as to Unstopable Force. You are as a Cardboard Cut out. Happy With your Troll? Please remember to subscribe and Favorite! |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:49:00 -
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I already tried this some time a go :
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=535147#post535147
Don't expect any support from the forum trolls, this is type of thing that they love to pick on. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:55:00 -
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So.. if you're in a shiny 50-500k ISK suit.. why didn't you watch for vehicles running around? Why didn't you have AV in place to take them out before deploying something so expensive? Don't run what you can't afford to lose, right?
I've had so many people try and run me over last night and utterly fail because I saw it coming. |
Professormohawk
Stasis Military Support
22
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:06:00 -
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how is it cheating? they should watch where i'm going |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
203
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:17:00 -
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I'm cool with this being a suggestion but thinking of it as cheating is just . . . well . . . silly. Cheating, really? They cheated? lol.
AND . . . note he said it shouldn't count as a kill, not that it shouldn't kill people. The recommendation involves removing the kill so that there is less encouragement to engage in this play style. He is correct in his thinking overall and I agree to a certain extent (except for the whole cheating point, lol).
My way of discouraging the mechanic is to carry packed AV grenades. Stand in middle of road, look like easy target, toss AV nade as LAV rushes at you, toss nade, watch LAV slowly decelerate as its flaming wreck stops just in front of you or offers you a nice flaming love tap to congratulate you on a job well done.
Keep your head on a swivel, turn up your audio so you can hear that distinctive LAV sound and educate people on the hazards of LAV driving . . . by killing them. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:21:00 -
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Let them drive risky and risk losing it for no good reason. A kill is a kill. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:30:00 -
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Getting roadkilled is annoying when it happens to oneself but it is actually an okay part of the game.
Note: There has been better threads which request not the removal of roadkills but scaling casualties with impact speed and possibly damaging the vehicle (LAV) based on impact as well. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:31:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Getting roadkilled is annoying when it happens to oneself but it is actually an okay part of the game.
Note: There has been better threads which request not the removal of roadkills but scaling casualties with impact speed and possibly damaging the vehicle (LAV) based on impact as well.
I could get behind the idea of LAV damage against ramming targets. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:33:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:So.. if you're in a shiny 50-500k ISK suit.. why didn't you watch for vehicles running around? Why didn't you have AV in place to take them out before deploying something so expensive? Don't run what you can't afford to lose, right? I've had so many people try and run me over last night and utterly fail because I saw it coming.
So you saying that i should "anticipate", when a moron is going to be driving around looking for free kills ? or never use my best dropsuits just in case is one around ? so what is the point of SP and skill books, if we only going to be using the starter dropsuits all the time, anyway?
You should also read this:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58144&find=unread
People complaining about "collision damage", yet is not collision damage for hitting a hardened dropsuit with shields. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:38:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:So you saying that i should "anticipate", when a moron is going to be driving around looking for free kills ? or never use my best dropsuits just in case is one around ? so what is the point of SP and skill books, if we only going to be using the starter dropsuits all the time, anyway? You should also read this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58144&find=unreadPeople complaining about "collision damage", yet is not collision damage for hitting a hardened dropsuit with shields.
See those LAV icons running around the map? I sure do.. someone on the team typically gets an eye on them, and during that spawn countdown you get an opportunity to see where it might be going anyway. If you know a HAV is on the field, you deploy heavy AV equipment. If you know LAVs are running around trying to run people over (or you can treat any LAV that's bullrushing skirmish lines like it is) than you keep your head up.
If your expensive dropsuit is too expensive, then don't use it. Your trained skills do enhance even the militia suits to some degree. I anticipate vehicles, especially LAVs to be used for anything BUT transport since people invest in getting it brought to ground.
Your link about collision damage is irrelevant. I stated I could support the notion of LAVs taking some damage a result of hitting infantry, not asserting that it does, did, or was scaled properly. |
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Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:45:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you saying that i should "anticipate", when a moron is going to be driving around looking for free kills ? or never use my best dropsuits just in case is one around ? so what is the point of SP and skill books, if we only going to be using the starter dropsuits all the time, anyway? You should also read this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58144&find=unreadPeople complaining about "collision damage", yet is not collision damage for hitting a hardened dropsuit with shields. See those LAV icons running around the map? I sure do.. someone on the team typically gets an eye on them, and during that spawn countdown you get an opportunity to see where it might be going anyway. If you know a HAV is on the field, you deploy heavy AV equipment. If you know LAVs are running around trying to run people over (or you can treat any LAV that's bullrushing skirmish lines like it is) than you keep your head up. If your expensive dropsuit is too expensive, then don't use it. Your trained skills do enhance even the militia suits to some degree. I anticipate vehicles, especially LAVs to be used for anything BUT transport since people invest in getting it brought to ground. Your link about collision damage is irrelevant. I stated I could support the notion of LAVs taking some damage a result of hitting infantry, not asserting that it does, did, or was scaled properly.
I think collision damage is VERY important. It will stop people from going in killing sprees with a LAV, if they know that they can only do it for a limited amount of time, before they blow up. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:50:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:I think collision damage is VERY important. It will stop people from going in killing sprees with a LAV, if they know that they can only do it for a limited amount of time, before they blow up.
Perhaps.. the question would then become "by how much". I'd suspect that a new line of skillbooks could be brought in too. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:00:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I think collision damage is VERY important. It will stop people from going in killing sprees with a LAV, if they know that they can only do it for a limited amount of time, before they blow up. Perhaps.. the question would then become "by how much". I'd suspect that a new line of skillbooks could be brought in too.
I think 2 -3 kills max, then you have to decide if you want to call another LAV, and wait 15 seconds, or join the battle and use you gun like every one else. |
Jack Sharkey42
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:40:00 -
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But but but! One of my favorite things is to chase down Heavies in Ambush and watch slowly try to run away! Why would you deny me my ability to live out a Stephen King novel!? |
drake sadani
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:24:00 -
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...wait what ... run out in traffic then come back I'll wait (taps foot) oh your back ohh you're dead.
so far people have tried to run me over at least 20 times . you know what i do . i move . or i climb up stairs . (which btw is not as effective i would like tbh) carry a AV or a packed AV grenade . i had a guy jump on top of my tank and frag me .
also if you are a heavy you have a chain gun side step the LAV like a bull and let rip on the gunner free kill LAV guy books it because he wants to clear out before he gets ripped apart next .
if you are a heavy with a forge cannon. well . ITS YOUR TIME TO SHINE BLOW THAT MOTHER TRUCKER UP . adapt . if you are in a map with no cover spec for some vehicles . cause your gonna see them . a LAV is not very strong . one swarm . or one forge hit . and they cook like a egg on a muffler . |
Brush Master
HavoK Core
163
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:42:00 -
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BloodBrotherBro wrote:I would like to see ccp get rid of vehicles running over people and get the kill for it. I think it is cheating, this is a first person shooter game not grand theft auto.
Learn to use A/V and stop complaining. At most there could be some damage when hitting heavies with all that armor. Driving is a valid tactic, have fun getting run over. |
Soght Toi
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
15
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:04:00 -
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Okay honestly, I'm a Heavy who uses an HMG (Duh.) and a Swarm Launcher, if you're ever in a match with me, LAV's do NOT survive. As a heavy I'm a fatty, my character moves slower than Shotgun-Scouts or Snipers, and yet I still manage to avoid death by roadkill. Very easily in fact. Get some of your AV buddies to take out the LAV's and if you don't have any...Get some! Corps are for more than just galactic conquest and Corp Battles, they're also there to make sure that you have a well-rounded useful team for any situations that may arise. Including vehicular combat, something YOU should be prepared for on your own, seeing how popular all the vehicles seem to be. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:11:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:So you saying that i should "anticipate", when a moron is going to be driving around looking for free kills ? or never use my best dropsuits just in case is one around ? so what is the point of SP and skill books, if we only going to be using the starter dropsuits all the time, anyway? That's exactly what he's saying.
It's not hard. The engine noise and the headlight glare broadcast them on all but the sunniest maps. Get better headphones if it's really that much of an issue for you.
Personally, I really enjoy dodging blueberry LAVs with my Forge fit before blowing them to kingdom come. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:26:00 -
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Illuminaughty-696 wrote:I'm cool with this being a suggestion but thinking of it as cheating is just . . . well . . . silly. Cheating, really? They cheated? lol.
AND . . . note he said it shouldn't count as a kill, not that it shouldn't kill people. The recommendation involves removing the kill so that there is less encouragement to engage in this play style. He is correct in his thinking overall and I agree to a certain extent (except for the whole cheating point, lol).
My way of discouraging the mechanic is to carry packed AV grenades. Stand in middle of road, look like easy target, toss AV nade as LAV rushes at you, toss nade, watch LAV slowly decelerate as its flaming wreck stops just in front of you or offers you a nice flaming love tap to congratulate you on a job well done.
Keep your head on a swivel, turn up your audio so you can hear that distinctive LAV sound and educate people on the hazards of LAV driving . . . by killing them. You obviously haven't been introduced to MY LAV |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
203
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:04:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:[You obviously haven't been introduced to MY LAV
Perhaps not. To be fair, I've met the occasional LAV that can take a packed AV nade like a boss. Then I either toss more, yell for my squaddies to toss some with a little HMG fire to boot, and then sidestep/run like a little girl as necessary.
Also, definitely killed a L.O.T.I.S. LAV or two, but as stated, probably not one of yours. |
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drake sadani
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:18:00 -
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i have yet to see one that can handle a determined attack.
that said i did flatten someone with a tank |
drake sadani
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:21:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I think collision damage is VERY important. It will stop people from going in killing sprees with a LAV, if they know that they can only do it for a limited amount of time, before they blow up. Perhaps.. the question would then become "by how much". I'd suspect that a new line of skillbooks could be brought in too.
more ? its a library now
careful that we get it right though just ask a few of the MAG guys here . some of the light attack jeeps in MAG went so fast that they could kill without touching you
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
95
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:08:00 -
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I feel as though we all should be using rubber bullets as to not get killed by guns. I just hate it when I get killed by a gun that is shooting real pew pew fake bullets at me. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.02.22 21:06:00 -
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BloodBrotherBro wrote:I would like to see ccp get rid of vehicles running over people and get the kill for it. I think it is cheating, this is a first person shooter game not grand theft auto. A good solution all in all.
Not getting the kill would address those of low honor not engaging in actual combat but wishing they had a real drivers license or recalling when they had one before those pesky DUI related ... issues.
I got hit by a Precision Strike in my HAV the other day. I boogied as fast as possible and worked hard to save her. Alas, it was not to be. However, I only (died) and they got no points as it took some time before I lost the fight with the fires raging within. Same thought applies in the death is more tolerable when I know they didn't receive any points. |
BloodBrotherBro
BloodBrothers4u
3
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:05:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:BloodBrotherBro wrote:I would like to see ccp get rid of vehicles running over people and get the kill for it. I think it is cheating, this is a first person shooter game not grand theft auto. A good solution all in all. Not getting the kill would address those of low honor not engaging in actual combat but wishing they had a real drivers license or recalling when they had one before those pesky DUI related ... issues. I got hit by a Precision Strike in my HAV the other day. I boogied as fast as possible and worked hard to save her. Alas, it was not to be. However, I only (died) and they got no points as it took some time before I lost the fight with the fires raging within. Same thought applies in the death is more tolerable when I know they didn't receive any points.
So if I run you over 20 times you won't care= 20 deaths.
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:50:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:I feel as though we all should be using rubber bullets as to not get killed by guns. I just hate it when I get killed by a gun that is shooting real pew pew fake bullets at me.
couldnt agree more. +1 |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
220
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:51:00 -
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On a serious note, if you are really getting killed by LAVs a lot, then you must be on teams with absolutely no AV players. I run dedicated AV and those pesky LAVs never get anywhere near any of my teammates and I get a tonne of kills and WP with my lovely shiny swarms.
Running people over is a legitimate method of killing people and you should prepare to counter it by having at least one person capable of using AV gear. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
435
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Posted - 2013.02.23 00:08:00 -
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Cool suggestion bra, except it solves nothing. Take away WP, people will still get run over.
When CCP took away WP for the repair tool, a few people actually continued to use it. They went out of their way. Imagine how many will still roadkill because you're in the way. I'd still run over people to make them lose ISK and a clone.
Also, that's just purely nerf, not balancing. That's like getting rid of WP for having a DS pilot squish somebody, which takes skill.
How abouts HTFU or get rid of free LAVs. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.02.23 07:42:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Not getting the kill would address those of low honor not engaging in actual combat
...Honor? In EvE Online/DUST? |
Alex Bradshaw
Carbon 7
3
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Posted - 2013.02.23 16:42:00 -
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BloodBrotherBro wrote:I would like to see ccp get rid of vehicles running over people and get the kill for it. I think it is cheating, this is a first person shooter game not grand theft auto.
I do not agree with taking away vehicle kills, but
-the LAV should be damaged when hitting troops, especially heavies. -I have seen HAVs go near troops, but not run them over. HAVs should also run people over, but not sustain damage, due to their massive weight. |
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